King Haakon VII and Queen Maud


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That's probably a good guess, but why not just make it in his much more famous monogram with the numeral?

In fact, I tried to see if Haakon ever had a monogram with an "S", and it appears not. This one looks far more like Harald and Sonja's. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dual_Cypher_of_King_Harald_V_and_Queen_Sonja_of_Norway.svg
Is it proof this was supposed to be Haakon VII Monogram?! Normally, this was the joint monogram of the current King and Queen used for their 25th jubilee on the norwegian throne (don´t know if it was also used for Harald and Sonja´s 80th birthday celebrations in 2017...?)
 
I did find out that Haakon had an alternate monogram with "VII" instead of "7", but I'm going to guess that for whatever reason the chocolatier seems to have made them with Harald and Sonja's instead of the famous H7.
 
If Olav had not come along, what would have happened? Presumably the norwegians would have asked someone else? But who were the likely candidates?
 
Why did they have only Olav?
Did something bad happen to Queen Maud during or after the birth which made her infertile?
 
If Olav had not come along, what would have happened? Presumably the norwegians would have asked someone else? But who were the likely candidates?

His uncle Prince Valdemar. But he had a Catholic wife and grown children who wouldn't have adjusted so easily. There was also Prince Carl of Sweden before Oscar II fell into the Norwegian trap and declared all Bernadottes out of the running. Maybe Norway would have gone republican after all?

Van der Kiste's Edward VII's Children says "Names of princes from Greece and Spain were suggested, but in the end the Storting agreed that only somebody from the houses of Sweden or Denmark would be acceptable."

Why did they have only Olav?
Did something bad happen to Queen Maud during or after the birth which made her infertile?

She only had him after seven years of marriage with an adoring husband, and she'd never been pregnant before. 1903 till now has seen a LOT of speculation about whether Haakon or even Maud were his biological parents (I think one of the original theories was that he was supposed to be her unmarried sister Princess Victoria's bastard.)

Anyway, there is decent evidence now that he WAS their child, after all, but she obviously had a very difficult time conceiving him (being the tightest of the tight-lacers couldn't have helped, and what is known is that she seemingly had to go into a clinic in London in order to rest uncorseted in private, at minimum).

Maud's health was not robust, period. Despite being very active and very energetic, she suffered from neuralgia, poor hearing and poor eyesight, and a few other things besides. I imagine the novelty of Olav and a child and an heir was fine, but she probably didn't want to go through pregnancy and delivery again. Perhaps it wasn't judged good for her health.

Anyway, both of these sets of questions are addressed by Queen Mary's (who was Maud's sister-in-law) Aunt Augusta, who wrote to her niece "Motherdear [Queen Alexandra] will not like it [taking the Norwegian throne] and besides they have only got that one peaky boy." :cool:
 
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After her father’s sudden death at Sandringham Queen Elizabeth, as we know, quickly returned to England from Kenya. It was reported at the time that she received King Haakon shortly afterwards, in mid-February. Does anybody know whether the King was on a visit to GB at the time, maybe even staying at Sandringham?
 
After her father’s sudden death at Sandringham Queen Elizabeth, as we know, quickly returned to England from Kenya. It was reported at the time that she received King Haakon shortly afterwards, in mid-February. Does anybody know whether the King was on a visit to GB at the time, maybe even staying at Sandringham?

No, I have no idea, but it was February in England and he'd given Maud's house back to George VI in 1937. I don't think there was any reason he was there already.

Haakon was George's much-loved "Uncle Charlie", Charles's godfather, and he must have been shocked his nephew and war host had died so suddenly. It's not necessarily that he came more quickly, just that he was received sooner due to age and being family.
 
There is a guy in full uniform carrying Olav around. How cute. (And then Haakon himself hauls him, and not for ceremonial or symbolic purposes. ?)

Should be noted it's not the actual coronation, just things happening in connection with it. Future George V is clearly visible, and I feel like you can see Louise with a daughter and Toria at one point, but that might be May with Princess Mary, instead.

Apparently they were so radical and democratic in Norway at this point that Haakon was not addressed as "Your Majesty" but "Mr. King". I always wonder when that switched (and did it make Maud "Mrs. Queen"? :lol:).
 
There is a guy in full uniform carrying Olav around. How cute. (And then Haakon himself hauls him, and not for ceremonial or symbolic purposes. [emoji2])



Should be noted it's not the actual coronation, just things happening in connection with it. Future George V is clearly visible, and I feel like you can see Louise with a daughter and Toria at one point, but that might be May with Princess Mary, instead.



Apparently they were so radical and democratic in Norway at this point that Haakon was not addressed as "Your Majesty" but "Mr. King". I always wonder when that switched (and did it make Maud "Mrs. Queen"? [emoji38]).
I don't know about Denmark (which Norway was a part of for centuries), but in Sweden varieties of Mr King (Herr Konung) weren't unusual in the old days. Neither were Mr Count (Herr Greve), Mr Baron (Herr Baron) etc up until the middle of the 20th.
Mr (Herr, Herre) in this context was originally reserved for men of the nobility and the clergy and would be more correctly translated as "Lord".
 
I don't know about Denmark (which Norway was a part of for centuries), but in Sweden varieties of Mr King (Herr Konung) weren't unusual in the old days. Neither were Mr Count (Herr Greve), Mr Baron (Herr Baron) etc up until the middle of the 20th.
Mr (Herr, Herre) in this context was originally reserved for men of the nobility and the clergy and would be more correctly translated as "Lord".

Within 40 years they'd definitely switched to "Deres Majestet", although interestingly, Mr Lord King is still an option. https://web.archive.org/web/2007070...Raad/Andre_emner/Titlar_paa_norske_kongelege/

It doesn't answer how Maud (or now Sonja) is meant to be equivalently addressed, though.
 
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I picked up Queen Alexandra's latest biography to see if there was anything interesting about Harry and Charles in it, and other than Alix calling them that, frequently :cool:, it is a long, dense book with little things here and there. For instance:

The protracted honeymoon may not have been entirely about being on honeymoon and at least partially if they'd gone back to Denmark in early September....their apartment wasn't ready and they would have been stuck by themselves with his mother for a month or two. Quoth Alexandra:
"which Freddy [her brother] himself said would be a mistake the first time of Harry's coming home, to which I quite agree" and to George "so then Harry & Charles might have remained alone with dear Swan! Tell Papa so if he mentions this to you."

As usual I'm not sure whether I feel very sorry for Tante Louise (Alix was indeed biased) or whether she brought this on herself. Or both.
 
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Did Prince Carl have to otain the approval of his grandfather King Christian IX of Denmark to be able to become the King of Norway?
 
Did Prince Carl have to otain the approval of his grandfather King Christian IX of Denmark to be able to become the King of Norway?

According to Haakon VII: The Man and the Monarchy by Greve, not really.

There was a meeting of the Danish cabinet including the King, Carl's father, and Carl, where they all discussed him potentially accepting and how they were all in favor of a referendum, and then after the referendum went through the Danish president asked for Christian's assent pro forma to Carl taking the throne, which he gave "in a loud voice".

The approval was not a weighty matter nor hard to get.
 
Did King Christian IX of Denmark attend the coronation of King Haakon VII?
 
can anyone introduce haakon's parents

Haakon's father was King Frederik VIII of Denmark.
Haakon's mother was Queen Louise of Denmark. She was originally Princess Louise of Sweden, the daughter of King Charles XV of Sweden.
 
Haakon's father was King Frederik VIII of Denmark.

Haakon's mother was Queen Louise of Denmark. She was originally Princess Louise of Sweden, the daughter of King Charles XV of Sweden.
He was King Karl XV of Sweden and Norway. Queen Louise was delighted to see her son ascend the throne of her father.
 
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Maud writing to a friend slightly before that. "Charles has been at sea 4 months & I have been very lonely all that long time. Luckily I have my small Boy to distract me"


"and he is now getting just more interesting and notices everything, he is a great joy & blessing to me & is much admired by everyone & really is a lovely child — I rather dread taking him to Copenhagen (in that vile climate wh. we all enjoy so much!) but I shall have to go there probably in the spring."
 
Olav would have been Prince Alexander Edward Christian Frederik at that time,he was only renamed Olav in 1905 following his fathers election as King of Norway.

That's undoubtedly why Cyril qualified it as (Prince Alexander) and the picture says "little Alexander".
 
Kai Simonsen: he was a fellow officer cadet at the Naval Academy and Carl's friend, apparently. Born April 14, 1872, he was a few months older and the son of Niels Juel Simonsen, who was a chamber singer at the Royal Theater in Copenhagen.

He died from a gunshot in their dormitory on Oct 17, 1891, when Carl was the only one around. It was eventually ruled a suicide, but Prince Carl must have had a very bad period of time waiting to be cleared; not only with his friend dying probably before his eyes but waiting to see if he was going to be thrown out of the navy or charged with murder.

Obviously, he wasn't charged with anything and his life went on.

The cruelest rumors said that they'd been having an affair and Carl shot him. (I think it was far more likely to be an accident or indeed suicide. And it was probably absolutely horrible for a sensitive person like Carl who'd gone to sea to escape a tough childhood.) But it was also so successfully hushed up that we might not know about it except that it came up when his name was put forth to be king of Norway.

Nothing has covered this except for perhaps the upcoming Vintertronen series, but who knows when that's going to be done?
 
I am more than 90% sure that's Princess Victoria (who spent a great deal of time with her brother) misidentified as her younger sister.
 
That indeed doesn't look like Queen Maud.
 
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