The short answer is no to both questions. If you are interested in an explanation, please ask me for one here: General Questions & Random Facts about the British Royal Family.
Well it really was crass considering that the British 'grockles' anyway have been keeping his family going for decades via their taxes, mine included.
I'm sure there were a lot of eyebrows raised about Kate and her coal mining ancestry and flight attendant self made parents at one point.
True but some of my family on the Isle of Wight are moaning both that the "grockles" aren't coming *and* that they are right now. The island depends on tourism, and they never talk about tourists using any other expression. It seems a lot of people who need tourists and taxpayers take pleasure in being ever so slightly disdainful about them, go figure.
It wouldn't be surprising that some of them might have been snobby or snarky about her or possibly ignored her at family events, hell it happens in non royal families all the time. That's quite rude and I don't blame her for being annoyed about it. However for me it also gets lumped in with the "that's it?" complaints. That's part of why you quit the way you did? I'm sure there were a lot of eyebrows raised about Kate and her coal mining ancestry and flight attendant self made parents at one point.
I roll my eyes whenever I see the “well hey, the BRF isn’t perfect....” because..who cares? No one ever said they were perfect; that isn’t relevant, and it’s a poor defense of the Sussexes. Meghan and Harry have behaved badly. As far as I’m concerned, the BRF tried their best to make those two happy, but it was an impossible task. I don’t ascribe to the “there must be a middle ground here”; for me, this mess is primarily on H and M.
i DOUBT if the RF was either rude to her or all gushy over her in the way that Harry described it. But H can't have it both ways. First he was saying that they were all adoring her, that they were the family she never had.. then its all" William was a snob and told Harry to be careful".. and "Some royal called her a showgirl" (I can guess who)...
I suspect they were polite enough overall but soem were indifferent..
And as they got to know her, I suspect some began to dislike her...
True but some of my family on the Isle of Wight are moaning both that the "grockles" aren't coming *and* that they are right now. The island depends on tourism, and they never talk about tourists using any other expression. It seems a lot of people who need tourists and taxpayers take pleasure in being ever so slightly disdainful about them, go figure.
It wouldn't be surprising that some of them might have been snobby or snarky about her or possibly ignored her at family events, hell it happens in non royal families all the time. That's quite rude and I don't blame her for being annoyed about it. However for me it also gets lumped in with the "that's it?" complaints. That's part of why you quit the way you did? I'm sure there were a lot of eyebrows raised about Kate and her coal mining ancestry and flight attendant self made parents at one point.
FWIW...no one in the BRF is alleged to have called Meghan a showgirl. It was said to have been a courtier who referred to her as "Harry's showgirl" and another who suggested that she was untrustworthy.
Other than the ridiculous (imo) Princess Michael, everything I have read points to the family from HMQ and the PoW bending over backwards to welcome Harry's beloved. If they didn't bend far enough to suit Harry that is for another topic.
The tabloids and online comments were mean
So what? Meghan should have asked Sarah how she handled being compared to a horse looks wise and being called lazy and a "bad mum". (Apparently it decimated her already low self esteem).
After William and Kate married in 2011, i saw Beatrice and Eugenie mocked as the Ugly Cinderella Stepsisters in both American AND British tabloids.
Why did Meghan believe she would receive kid glove treatment, if she ever did believe that?
Final question..WHY were Meghan and Harry reading tabloid articles in the first place? Especially when we were assured via her anonymous posse in People magazine that she was tuning out all the "noise" and concentrating on her new life?
To me that’s quite interesting for Meghan to feel slight over, since she has essentially seems to ignore her entire family, except her mom, even exists for nearly 20 year now.
Without going down the rabbit hole too much, the book doesn't really talk all that much about Thomas, I wondered if it would shed light on why they drifted apart but didn't really get much new from it.
I do wonder if Thomas is like he is because of the way Meghan has behaved or if she is the way she is with him because of the way he is (if that makes sense).
Well going on the book and how she essentially presents herself I cannot see any of Anne's family even having time for her. Andrew caring...ever anyway. Beatrice and Eugenie maybe would have been the target but after the wedding announcement, I can see them giving her a wide space. Why would Edward and Sophie care anyway...different generation. And we know William and Kate were a no no.
Showgirl 100 percent Phil. And if not him Anne. And it would be their humour.
She is too fake for any of them to take to her. And that is her own k.
She did and DOES have a lot of baggage! So did Diana and Sarah.
Heck...Harry and William have BAGGAGE.
What kind of baggage (in the sense the word was used in the book) did Diana have (other than her parents having had an unhappy marriage)?
Diana was an 18-year virgin who, to use her own words, "grew up in a big house" and was an earl's daughter from an old family of courtiers and aristocrats. I don't think her "baggage" compares to anything that was alleged against Meghan when she started dating Harry.
I totally agree. What Meghan and Harry failed to understand is that their job as working royals was not to promote their own "woke" agenda but to carry out duties on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen. Also, they were to function within the established hierarchy. It's not about them. It's about the Queen and the UK- not about working out the world's problems. They Monarchy is supposed to be a unifying force within the UK. H&M have only caused division. That Harry does not understand the function of the Royal Family is baffling to me given that he was born into it. I am an American and I believe I understand it better than him.
To me that’s quite interesting for Meghan to feel slight over, since she has essentially seems to ignore her entire family, except her mom, even exists for nearly 20 year now.
The first thought that went through my mind when reading about, especially the first nanny, was that someone had an "emotional (and protective) fit" and fired the nanny in a fit of anger.
Because normally it has to very extreme to fire someone on the spot. And doing that only to praise that persons skills afterwards suggest an overreaction.
Booting one nanny on the spot happens. Booting two is unfortunate, but if it happens more often then it says more about the parents than the nannies.
Having said that quite a number of parents are nuts when it comes to their children. I have been elbowed often enough in the ribs by Mrs. Muhler at parent-meetings in the schools to have that fact confirmed...
It is my firm opinion, that while you still have to be the boss, if the work-climate is bad and the turn-over rate of your employees is high then it's almost always down to bad management.
To me this suggest that H&M at best were inexperienced parents, who saw things differently than their experienced nanny and overreacted by firing her - and that something similar happened to the second nanny.
I think very few people here think the BRF acted or have ever acted perfectly, but back to the book! it shows very little of what horrendous things the RF did (Princess Michael wearing that brooch, Kate not being as warm and welcoming as Meghan "expected" her to be, the Queen not including H&M in her pics at Christmas (along with the rest of her family are all pretty trivial things, Princess Michael is no favourite of the Queen or RF so even though her actions were wrong it doesn't show anything about the rest of the family)
As ever the answer lies somewhere in the middle IMO, both sides failed to understand the other and both sides were left disappointed. This book though is not showing that, according to this book Meghan (and to a lesser extend Harry, not my opinion but if you have read the book you'd agree) can not and did not do anything wrong either. Again, I'd say the answer lies in the middle.
I can't say I blame her re her family. Her siblings are horrible.. and clearly hate her. Her father is unreliable...Apart form her mother I cant see whom she would be close to...
For what emerges over 24 chapters is a partial and one-sided account, a story of score- settling and swipes at Harry's family, at the institution of monarchy, royal aides and the media.
And those admirable charitable endeavours? They are simply swamped by bitter recriminations.
I fear it will backfire horribly on them, inviting both ridicule and scorn with the only real winners being the authors cashing in on the hype it has created.
There are some truly cringe-making moments: how on their romantic break to the African bush in Botswana Harry was 'delightfully surprised' by his then girlfriend's 'down to earth attitude.' Why so? Because while camping she cleaned her face with baby-wipes and 'happily wandered into the woodlands if she needed a bathroom break'.
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Because for a couple so obsessive about their privacy, the book is all the more remarkable because it is, from start to finish, an extraordinary invasion of their own privacy.
At the same time it is laced with a special sense of grievance.
This is a couple who can take offence from the set of someone's face at a public event to refusing to go to a wedding because a newspaper had speculated about Meghan's bottom.
The other side might not be greener but sometimes it’s worth the risk to try.
I know around these parts the BRF are perfect and never said or did anything bad toward Meghan or Harry. Not one rude remark or action ever. Anything bad or confrontational that happened was 100% on her. If she was ever offended it was her imagination. Yada yada.
So frankly it was really for the best they left for the sake of everyone...
If you’re the new person who’s married into not only a big family, but also a very big, ancient institution that’s bound to the history, politics and general way of life of an entire nation, the onus is you as the newcomer to adapt to the institution and if needed make changes for it, not the other way around.
No doubt the BRF is full of egos and eccentricities and touchy personalities, (but I’d say that’s true of most big extended families), but in the end they are who they are. They’re not likely to make major changes for someone’s new wife. The Royal Family adapts, but does so on its own schedule.
I can think of several instances where individual members of the family made kind gestures towards Meghan when they didn’t have to. Charles walked her down the aisle at the wedding, for heaven’s sake, and he was either genuinely happy to do it or he put on a really good show.
I love this review so much....read the whole thing..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...sational-new-royals-book-Finding-Freedom.html