Missjersey
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I don’t think it’s far fetched for Doris to be included in the festivities.
I'm so confused about the visa situation, I read on the visa thread, that she wouldn't be allowed to exit UK with fiancé visa for a certain amount of time.
Why is it a slap for Catherine? The Christmas of 2010 when she was engaged but not married, William was not there. He was on SAR duty.That wouldn't surprise me either, but I really didn't see it coming. I personally, I'm sure they do deep down as well but they'd never admit it, feel like it's a slap in the face for Catherine and Sophie.
Maybe you're right Osipi and we won't see Meghan at church and she will just be spending Christmas with them. But....
it's a slap in the face for Catherine and Sophie.
I'm so confused about the visa situation, I read on the visa thread, that she wouldn't be allowed to exit UK with fiancé visa for a certain amount of time.
That wouldn't surprise me either, but I really didn't see it coming. I personally, I'm sure they do deep down as well but they'd never admit it, feel like it's a slap in the face for Catherine and Sophie.
Maybe you're right Osipi and we won't see Meghan at church and she will just be spending Christmas with them. But....
I am surprised that KP announced it but KP seems to prefer to announce things more than the other households. Like they announced who was attending Pippa’s wedding earlier this year which seemed strange to me.
I am very excited!!!
I don't believe that's true. She can't apply for the fiance visa while in UK. She has to apply for it while she's abroad. Then enter on the fiance visa once it's approved. However, the fiance visa is multiple entry. Meaning she can leave and re-enter.
I wholeheartedly agree. IMO the BRF has acknowledged that there can be flexibility when it comes to the holidays. I believe it was Mark Phillips' mother who complained that they never saw their son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren for the holidays. I know that Diana wanted to spend at least one Christmas with her father before he passed, but was told that wouldn't be possible. The Queen began inviting Sophie's father when he was widowed and IMO that was the turning point in the relaxing of these traditions. The Queen and the DoE are not left alone as there are always members of the family in and around Sandringham. To allow people the opportunity to alternate holidays or to invite a newcomer to join them is an example of kindness IMHO. Many in the UK and around the world have to face the same every year, so I'm not surprised that the BRF does too.I REALLY think both Women have the kindness [and intelligence] to understand that
a] time moves on, and there has been a further 'thaw' in the BRF attitude to newcomers even since they 'married in'.
b]Ms Markle is from abroad, and it would be unfriendly and unwelcoming to leave her without her innamorata over Christmas.
I really think taking this as a slap in the face would be a bit childish and immature. There are multiple things going on here. The Queen and Prince Philip are at an age where we can't be sure about next Christmas. It's not that far of a stretch to think that Harry might want one Christmas with both of his grandparents, whom he is close to, and the woman he plans to spend the rest of his life with together. Then there is also the fact that she's a foreigner who have recently moved her whole life and given up a lot to move to the UK whereas Sophie and Kate both had families in UK. I'm not sure if Sophie even engaged at the Christmas before her wedding. Kate wasn't going to go to Sandringham as a fiancee when William wasn't there.
Why is it a slap for Catherine? The Christmas of 2010 when she was engaged but not married, William was not there. He was on SAR duty.
For all the talk of "rules" among royal-watchers and the press (talk based on observation, not firm word from within that the rules even really exist), we've seen a lot of small adaptations from the BRF from the early 90s on. It seems to me they've learned a lot from their experiences, including the process of adjusting to a slate of new members who've come in from backgrounds less fixated on noble etiquette (Sophie, Kate, Autumn, Mike) about how joyful it can be to take a slightly more expansive view on who can and can't be part of various celebrations and the kind of relationships royals can have with their inlaws and incoming members. If anything, taking the step of inviting Meghan seems to me to be a nod of approval for how well it's worked to be more flexible with the others.
If anything, this monarch has shown that she understand changes happen all around and will make necessary adjustments to move her family forward.
I really think taking this as a slap in the face would be a bit childish and immature. There are multiple things going on here. The Queen and Prince Philip are at an age where we can't be sure about next Christmas. It's not that far of a stretch to think that Harry might want one Christmas with both of his grandparents, whom he is close to, and the woman he plans to spend the rest of his life with together. Then there is also the fact that she's a foreigner who have recently moved her whole life and given up a lot to move to the UK whereas Sophie and Kate both had families in UK. I'm not sure if Sophie even engaged at the Christmas before her wedding. Kate wasn't going to go to Sandringham as a fiancee when William wasn't there.
I'd be surprised if Meghan's mom is in UK for Christmas though. And I don't think Harry will leave his fiancee alone at Anmer Hall while they all attend church service. If she wasn't going to be seen at Sandringham during Christmas (and really, the only guarantee of seeing her is during that walk), KP wouldn't have made this announcement.
I think we would of seen it before however William was not present that Christmas after his engagement.
Looking forward to the walk to to Church!
LaRae
I hope they don’t stay at Anmer Hall. I’m hoping The Middletons and The Matthews join The Cambridges for Christmas.
While I suspect Doria is probably as delightful to meet as her daughter, I think Doria may be a little more laid back, and less interested in these 'perks' than most mothers. Meghan was able to handle her engagement photo op without her mother hovering.
I personally, I'm sure they do deep down as well but they'd never admit it, feel like it's a slap in the face for Catherine and Sophie.
Not to mention easier for Carol and Michael to go to them instead of them dragging the kids out.
LaRae
I'd be surprised if Meghan is at Anmer for Christmas. Harry always stays at the big house for Christmas, it would be weird for him to ditch his fiancee at his brother's house. Especially as Meghan is now there "officially" courtesy of KP, I see no reason why she wouldn't stay with Harry in the big house.