Prince Albert's Older Children Part 1: 2009 - 2023

[hereditarytitles]

You may verify the rule for yourself. I provided a link to the Journal de Monaco, the official gazette of the Monegasque government, with the text of the house law as it was enacted in 2015. Here is the link again.

https://journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/Jou...2015-portant-statuts-de-la-Famille-Souveraine




As mentioned above, the current house law was promulgated in 2015. But the same rule was indeed in place when they married, as it was included in the previous house law. Before 2015, it read:

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/national/monaco.htm#house_laws

Aucun Membre de la Famille Souveraine ne peut se marier sans l'autorisation du Prince régnant. Le mariage contracté sans cette autorisation emporte privation de tout droit à la Couronne, tant pour celui qui a contracté ce mariage que pour ses descendants.

Néanmoins, en cas de dissolution du mariage et en l'absence d'enfant issu de ce dernier, l'héritier qui l'aurait contracté recouvrera son droit à la Couronne si aucune succession n'est intervenue entretemps.​

Translation:

No member of the Sovereign Family can marry without the authorization of the reigning Prince. A marriage contracted without such authorization results in a loss of all rights to the Crown for the individual who contracted the marriage as well as for his descendants.

However, in case of dissolution of the marriage and in the absence of any issue from it, the heir who had contracted that marriage shall recover his right to the Crown if no succession took place in the meantime.​

I personally do not know whether Princess Caroline and Princess Stéphanie obtained the then Reigning Prince's legal authorization for each of their marriages. If you have a source indicating whether they married with or without (official) permission, could you please share it?

We can assume that Princess Caroline is currently in line to the throne: She was referred to by the Palace as Hereditary Princess for the first few years of her brother's reign. Therefore, she must have obtained permission for at least her marriages to Stefano Casiraghi and Ernst August von Hannover.

It is possible that she could have married Philippe Junot without permission: see the stipulation in the rule (quoted above) that succession rights are restored upon divorce if there are no chidren from the marriage. However, I have no idea if that was the case.




Not since they married without seeking permission (assuming that was indeed what the interview with Prince Albert II said and there was no mistranslation).

Thank you for the explanations. I must admit I did not know much about it because details like that have never been published in any articles of the papers (quite in contrast to rules concerning the BRF).
In view of their rules I guess that all members who are in line had asked for permission to marry unless they didn't want to be in the line of succession any longer.

 

[MonacoRoyalFan]

Prince Albert celebrated Alexandre’s birthday with him, Jazmin, Nicole just a few days ago.

Quite something to see the cake with a huge royal house coat of arms.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwXmMLfobAn/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

[An Ard Ri]

That is indeed some birthday cake with the Princely coat of arms on it.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Prince Albert celebrated Alexandre’s birthday with him, Jazmin, Nicole just a few days ago.

Quite something to see the cake with a huge royal house coat of arms.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwXmMLfobAn/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Very nice for Alexandre and his mother and for Jazmin too. I just hope that Charlene , although she wasn't present at this party, is d'accord with it.

I sincerely hope, that Charlene stays healthy and stable and can take care of her children together with Albert.

 

[Alisa]

Kudos to Albert celebrating Alexandre's birthday along with Jazmin.

I do have issues with these photos posted by Nicole.

1. The photos of Nicole sitting next to Albert I am sure is infuriating to Charlene.

2. What is the point of having a birthday cake with the Monegasque flag and the Princely family's coat of arms? Note to Nicole...Alexandre is NOT a member of the Princely family.

Switching gears...several posters have mentioned that Charlene has struggled with her role as The Princess of Monaco. I am genuinely ignorant as to what the Princess' struggles are. From what I have seen she seemed to have it easier than most. She set up her Foundation (which doesn't seem very active), she was advised and mentored by Queen Màxima who is a royal pro, she has been able to take extended leave of absences...etc. The role as Princess is basically hers to do whatever she wants with it. Also there is little to no criticism of her work so I am not sure what the issue is?

 

[sophie25]

That is indeed some birthday cake with the Princely coat of arms on it.

That cake is utterly ridiculous, it's what one may expect for the twins for their 18th or 21st birthdays. Every new thing I see coming from Nicole Coste confirms my thoughts about her and her ambitions for Alexandre.

 

[togram]

Maybe in Monaco she is not criticised. But the British press, especially the Daily Mail are always criticising her. They are always finding fault with whatever she does. The same thing applies to some German and Italian tabloids. And the readers' comments are just as bad, if not worse.

 

[Elly C]

Maybe in Monaco she is not criticised. But the British press, especially the Daily Mail are always criticising her. They are always finding fault with whatever she does. The same thing applies to some German and Italian tabloids. And the readers' comments are just as bad, if not worse.

Actually, I hate defending the ‘Daily Fail’, but I always find their comments are surprisingly very complimentary to the Princess. Yes, they have the usual snipes about the state of the marriage, but from the articles I have seen, they show a positive slant when discussing Charlene’s appearance at various engagements. The readers comments include the usual distasteful and generally unpleasant responses. But on the whole, the British Press, aren’t interested in the Monagasque Family - and that goes for the general public, the majority of whom would struggle to recognise the Princess of Monaco.

 

[tommy100]

Hmm that cake, really not sure. On one hand with all we know about Nicole I wouldn't be surprised if she asked for it because she wants to rub in that her son is the son of a Prince.
On the other hand I was lucky enough to visit Monaco once and there were flags everywhere, the national flag, red & white flags and coats of arms. Maybe its just a cultural thing?

 

[kalnel]

Kudos to Albert celebrating Alexandre's birthday along with Jazmin.

I do have issues with these photos posted by Nicole.

1. The photos of Nicole sitting next to Albert I am sure is infuriating to Charlene.

2. What is the point of having a birthday cake with the Monegasque flag and the Princely family's coat of arms? Note to Nicole...Alexandre is NOT a member of the Princely family.

I wonder where the party took place. If Nicole threw it, perhaps she left Charlene and the twins out intentionally. And, she may also have been the one to commission the cake with the coat of arms.

Still infuriating to Charlene, I imagine, but a bit different from Albert throwing the party and leaving her out. (Or maybe she would refuse to attend?)

As far as Alexandre's status, he is a member of the princely family, but he is not (yet) a member of the royal house. Between his interview and the cake, though, I'm beginning to wonder if a low-key campaign to change his status is afoot.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Do the laws of arms in the principality of Monaco allow coats of arms to be transmitted to extramarital children?

I suppose some will say that Prince Albert II's presence there means that he approved of the usage, but to be quite honest, even monarchs are not necessarily well-informed about heraldic laws and customs. And I have never seen a heraldry textbook discuss cake decoration as a method of displaying arms.

As far as Alexandre's status, he is a member of the princely family, but he is not (yet) a member of the royal house.

Alexandre is not a member of the Sovereign Family because he is not in line to the throne. Under the new house law enacted by his father in 2015, the members of the Sovereign Family, apart from the Reigning Prince's spouse and parents, are the Reigning Prince's relatives who are in line to the throne and are no further than three degrees of kinship, and their spouses.

https://journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/Jou...2015-portant-statuts-de-la-Famille-Souveraine

 

[Alisa]

That cake is utterly ridiculous, it's what one may expect for the twins for their 18th or 21st birthdays. Every new thing I see coming from Nicole Coste confirms my thoughts about her and her ambitions for Alexandre.

She is very self-centered and ambitious. I just went through her Instagram page. In the Alexandre birthday photos there isn't a solo photo celebrating the birthday boy. Infact, were it not for the caption we wouldn't know whose birthday it was. But of course Nicole made sure she had a solo photo.

I also noticed that Nicole makes it a point to attend every major Monegasque function- from the Red Cross Ball, to the Prince Albert foundation galas, to the Monaco Grand Prix. She is EVERYWHERE and is determined to be seen. I imagine this is highly annoying and frustrating for Princess Charlene.

 

[sophie25]

She is very self-centered and ambitious. I just went through her Instagram page. In the Alexandre birthday photos there isn't a solo photo celebrating the birthday boy. Infact, were it not for the caption we wouldn't know whose birthday it was. But of course Nicole made sure she had a solo photo.

I also noticed that Nicole makes it a point to attend every major Monegasque function- from the Red Cross Ball, to the Prince Albert foundation galas, to the Monaco Grand Prix. She is EVERYWHERE and is determined to be seen. I imagine this is highly annoying and frustrating for Princess Charlene.

Why can't she move on? Albert is married with a new family and has two heirs, what sort of role can her son ever have? I think she's filling the boy's head with nonsense and he's going to be left very disappointed in life.

 

[togram]

sophie25, I agree with you. I think that Nicole is a very pushy person and she wants to be seen and to make sure that she is always present in Monegasque functions. In my opinion she eggs on her son to do likewise, making him believe in something that will never happen. If, as a mother, she has the well being of her son at heart; she should encourage him to study and make a name for himself and not relying on her imaginary and improbable dreams.

 

[fandesacs2003]

Prince Albert celebrated Alexandre’s birthday with him, Jazmin, Nicole just a few days ago.

Quite something to see the cake with a huge royal house coat of arms.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwXmMLfobAn/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

I don't understand why Charlene didn't attend and thus put NC to her real place.
Alexander and Jasmin were conceived and born well before Charlene entered into stage so it shouldn't be any issue between them and her.
Also i recall pictures of Charlene and Jasmin in very good terms.
So the issue (if any) should be for Alexander. Why?
Not because of his mixed race as Charlene is open minded and absolutely against any racism.
So everything leads us to NC and her pushy behavior...
But pushing what? Putting her son as hereditary Prince? I think matter has been clarified legally already ?
Hoping that PC Albert will divorce with Charlene .... marry Nicole and obtain the status for her son?
Of course everything is possible in this life... but if Albert would chose Nicole, he would have done it 20 y ago.
All this for me leads to one point: Charlene....nobody could step into her position... but she herself steps behind from it. Monaco has a virtual Princess... quite absent and invisible.

 

[togram]

I think that it is up to Albert to put Nicole in her place once and for all. No one else can do that. If he has the wellbeing of Charlene and the twins he should do it as soon as possible.

 

[fandesacs2003]

The Daily Mail and Bild often lean towards sensationalism, but I don't a lot about Voici. How trustworthy is it?

Absolutely not trustworthy. Is the french trash magazine with decades of Court actions against it.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Alexandre and Gabriella look so much alike! Beautiful kids!

 

[sophie25]

I think that it is up to Albert to put Nicole in her place once and for all. No one else can do that. If he has the wellbeing of Charlene and the twins he should do it as soon as possible.

Yes and I think he should start by stopping her attendance at big important events in Monaco that he and the Princess attend.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Yes and I think he should start by stopping her attendance at big important events in Monaco that he and the Princess attend.

Yes, he should. What puzzles me is that it seems to me that Nicole has turned up for the first time, giving interviews and posting pics when Charlene's problems will illness started. I cannot remember that she was so permanently present before that.

 

[sophie25]

Yes, he should. What puzzles me is that it seems to me that Nicole has turned up for the first time, giving interviews and posting pics when Charlene's problems will illness started. I cannot remember that she was so permanently present before that.

Yes I agree with you.

 

[suztav]

The bigger issue is Albert’s poor judgement when it comes to women.

JMHO

 

[tommy100]

I agree about Nicole's actions. Her instagram has little on it but what is on it seems very heavily focussed on Monaco and promoting her son and links to Albert. I think she very much wants to be seen as close to Albert and royalty.

 

[sophie25]

I agree about Nicole's actions. Her instagram has little on it but what is on it seems very heavily focussed on Monaco and promoting her son and links to Albert. I think she very much wants to be seen as close to Albert and royalty.

I'm with you on that and it's got me wondering about the future. If Albert and Charlene's marriage did indeed end via death or divorce and he married Coste, would that spell the end of Jacques as heir? I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer to that. Is this what NC might be hoping for?

 

[HenRach Dominion]

I can't see any good coming out of this, and HSH The Prince of Monaco 100% needs to put a stop to it. It undermines his wife and heir and could foster bitterness within his other son of a life that's impossible for him to have. As stated by others, it does seem like Ms. Coste has become more prominent during and after HSH The Princess of Monaco's illness, and has even accused the latter of being cruel towards her son. All of this can't be easy for HSH The Princess of Monaco, and her husband can easily have a relationship with his son without his mother involved, especially since he's an adult.

 

[sophie25]

I can't see any good coming out of this, and HSH The Prince of Monaco 100% needs to put a stop to it. It undermines his wife and heir and could foster bitterness within his other son of a life that's impossible for him to have. As stated by others, it does seem like Ms. Coste has become more prominent during and after HSH The Princess of Monaco's illness, and has even accused the latter of being cruel towards her son. All of this can't be easy for HSH The Princess of Monaco, and her husband can easily have a relationship with his son without his mother involved, especially since he's an adult.

Indeed. I'm surprised Albert didn't come down harder on NC and ban her from events in Monaco after her accusations against his wife. How must that make Charlene feel? It's not very supportive on Albert's part. I totally agree on what the last poster said, Alex is a grown man now and can have a relationship with his Dad without his mother always hovering about.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

If Albert and Charlene's marriage did indeed end via death or divorce and he married Coste, would that spell the end of Jacques as heir? I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer to that.

It would depend on the laws in force at the time. Currently, as far as I can see, there is no distinction in the Constitution or the House Law between children born legitimate and those who legitimated by a subsequent marriage between their parents. However, unlike most of his fellow monarchs in Europe, it would be within Prince Albert II's power to modify laws or make an exception so that Jacques would remain the crown prince even if his older brother were legitimated. His current house law already allows him to unilaterally remove members of his family from the line of succession.

In short, it would probably be handled in the way Prince Albert II wished.

I can't see any good coming out of this, and HSH The Prince of Monaco 100% needs to put a stop to it. It undermines his wife and heir and could foster bitterness within his other son of a life that's impossible for him to have. As stated by others, it does seem like Ms. Coste has become more prominent during and after HSH The Princess of Monaco's illness, and has even accused the latter of being cruel towards her son. All of this can't be easy for HSH The Princess of Monaco, and her husband can easily have a relationship with his son without his mother involved, especially since he's an adult.

If I understand it correctly, Prince Albert II said publicly in November 2021 that he was "furious" about Nicole Coste's interview with Paris Match in September 2021 (in which she said, among other things, that Princess Charlene had moved her son to the staff quarters), and that she had not told him about it in advance. So he has previously distanced himself from comments made by his ex-partner.

https://www.pointdevue.fr/royal/mon...de-decouvrir-larticle-concernant-madame-coste

 

[SirGyamfi1]

I wonder where the party took place. If Nicole threw it, perhaps she left Charlene and the twins out intentionally. And, she may also have been the one to commission the cake with the coat of arms.

Still infuriating to Charlene, I imagine, but a bit different from Albert throwing the party and leaving her out. (Or maybe she would refuse to attend?)

As far as Alexandre's status, he is a member of the princely family, but he is not (yet) a member of the royal house. Between his interview and the cake, though, I'm beginning to wonder if a low-key campaign to change his status is afoot.

I don’t think she and Nicole were ever friendly so I doubt Charlene was going to be invited anyways. Albert is the father of Alexandre and was there that’s good enough. She holds no position in his life.

I don't understand why Charlene didn't attend and thus put NC to her real place.
Alexander and Jasmin were conceived and born well before Charlene entered into stage so it shouldn't be any issue between them and her.
Also i recall pictures of Charlene and Jasmin in very good terms.
So the issue (if any) should be for Alexander. Why?
Not because of his mixed race as Charlene is open minded and absolutely against any racism.
So everything leads us to NC and her pushy behavior...
But pushing what? Putting her son as hereditary Prince? I think matter has been clarified legally already ?
Hoping that PC Albert will divorce with Charlene .... marry Nicole and obtain the status for her son?
Of course everything is possible in this life... but if Albert would chose Nicole, he would have done it 20 y ago.
All this for me leads to one point: Charlene....nobody could step into her position... but she herself steps behind from it. Monaco has a virtual Princess... quite absent and invisible.

Charlene was probably not invited. In any case, there’s no need for Charlene to be there. The issue is Nicole’s lack of discretion and her constantly coming to events in the Principality concerning the family like the balls and galas.

 

[fandesacs2003]

Charlene was probably not invited. In any case, there’s no need for Charlene to be there. The issue is Nicole’s lack of discretion and her constantly coming to events in the Principality concerning the family like the balls and galas.

Maybe. But this is Albert's responsibility to explain that she is his wife and they couldn't be split.

As for NC actions... is not easy to forbid her attending some Monaco events... without provoking a scandal.

 

[sophie25]

Maybe. But this is Albert's responsibility to explain that she is his wife and they couldn't be split.

As for NC actions... is not easy to forbid her attending some Monaco events... without provoking a scandal.

I don't know about that. Does she actually live in Monaco, if she does that's a very privileged position to be in and Albert could withdraw it at any point if she oversteps the mark. At the end of the day it's also worth remembering that Prince Jacques won't be a little boy forever. He will grow up and be in control of Monaco and will no doubt stand resolutely behind his mother and the NC's of this World will be a thing of the past.