King Hussein, his wives & children: their relationships with each other - Page 2

shelley · #21 06-19-2004, 04:45 PM

I've written about this too, but I can't remember where. There is no doubt that once Q Noor had her own children, Haya and Ali took a back seat, and all in all, K. Hussein's children from his previous marriages were excluded. It was not unusual for H & A to come back from boarding school to a house without any family there. It was noticeable that whereas K. Hussein would take Hamzah with him to visit the army etc. he hardly ever took any of his older sons. It could be argued that they were away at school but there are holidays around which a visit could have occasionally be planned. P. Hamzah started attending meetings with foreign dignatories from a relatively young age. His elder brothers would not be present, even though, at least in the case of Abdullah and Feisal, they were by then adults.

maryshawn · #22 06-19-2004, 06:04 PM

Well, my sorrow is for Princess Haya and Prince Ali if they were edged out....Prince Ali was once the CP but KH decided shortly after Queen Alia's death, he was far too young to assume such responsibilities. I think or thought the idea was Ali would be reinstated to CP when older. I still don't know that much about him but he has endured many disappointments--that's for sure. And the fact he doesn't allow it to get him down (publicly) speaks well for him.

There's a poll out did KH make the right choice with KA? I think the question should be does KA want to be King? I see him as the kind of man who enjoyed a simpler life. His wife seems to be enjoying the position more than he does.

Lalla Meriem · #23 06-20-2004, 09:29 AM

I don't recall Ali ever being CP. I know Abduallah was named Crown Prince at his birth and remained so for a few years. Given the turmoil at the time it was decided that it was unwise to have a infant heir because he could be easily used as a pawn should he come to the throne at an early age. The succession was then set on Hussein's youngest brother El Hassan who remained Crown Prince until very shortly before Hussein's death. Ali may have been a deputy crown prince.

#24 06-20-2004, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lalla Meriem@Jun 20th, 2004 - 8:29 am
I don't recall Ali ever being CP. I know Abduallah was named Crown Prince at his birth and remained so for a few years. Given the turmoil at the time it was decided that it was unwise to have a infant heir because he could be easily used as a pawn should he come to the throne at an early age. The succession was then set on Hussein's youngest brother El Hassan who remained Crown Prince until very shortly before Hussein's death. Ali may have been a deputy crown prince.

P Ali was deputy Crown Prince to P Hassan. K. Hussein instituted this in 1978/1979 after the birth of P. Rashid. Eventhough K Hussein was willing to leave this throne to his brother, he clearly wasnted one of his own sons to be king again. P. Ali was chosen because he was considered majority Arab. However, this is still not true because Q. Alia was Circassian, not Palestinian, as some historians have said. Q. Alia came from Circassian family who lived in Palestine.

Eventhough K. Hussein was close to Hamzah, it was Ali he had in mind for king. But Ali lost his chance when he fell into drugs, partying, and dropped out of school. K. Hussein did not feel he was responsible enough to be king.

At one point, K Hussein was not even speaking to KA (then prince) because he was partying to much and seeing too many women. But KA came around. Give Rania credit, she set him on the straight and narrow. I have no proof that KA has another woman.

shelley · #25 06-20-2004, 03:11 PM

I was living in Jordan when K. Hussein wrote the letter in which he asked P. Hassan to choose Ali as his successor over Abdullah and Feisal. It was before the birth of both P. Rashid and P. Hamzah and if I recall correctly it was around the time the king was about to marry Q. Noor. The situation changed when P. Rashid was born as consitutionally, there was no way that P. Hassan could nominate a nephew without changing the consititution. I still think that to play around with a constitution is no something a wise person would attempt to do in today's world, and I believe P. Hassan was put in an impossible position, whatever his personal wishes might have been.

sommone · #26 06-21-2004, 12:18 AM

Quote:

I don't recall Ali ever being CP. I know Abduallah was named Crown Prince at his birth and remained so for a few years. Given the turmoil at the time it was decided that it was unwise to have a infant heir because he could be easily used as a pawn should he come to the throne at an early age.  The succession was then set on Hussein's youngest brother El Hassan who remained Crown Prince until very shortly before Hussein's death. Ali may have been a deputy crown prince.

P Ali was deputy Crown Prince to P Hassan. K. Hussein instituted this in 1978/1979 after the birth of P. Rashid. Eventhough K Hussein was willing to leave this throne to his brother, he clearly wasnted one of his own sons to be king again. P. Ali was chosen because he was considered majority Arab. However, this is still not true because Q. Alia was Circassian, not Palestinian, as some historians have said. Q. Alia came from Circassian family who lived in Palestine.

Eventhough K. Hussein was close to Hamzah, it was Ali he had in mind for king. But Ali lost his chance when he fell into drugs, partying, and dropped out of school. K. Hussein did not feel he was responsible enough to be king.

At one point, K Hussein was not even speaking to KA (then prince) because he was partying to much and seeing too many women. But KA came around. Give Rania credit, she set him on the straight and narrow. I have no proof that KA has another woman. [/b][/quote]
See...Someone on this forum, and I can't remember who, didn't believe King Abdullah was doing the same thing.

sommone · #27 06-21-2004, 12:20 AM

I didn't know Ali didn't finish school? wow.

rollin_keef · #28 06-21-2004, 01:55 AM

Ive heard that their is a rivary and frosty relationships between the Daughters of P Muna and Q Noor.
Anything right there?
How do the girls get along and between them and sisters in law?

What children are close e.g KA and P Iman?

alia_musallam · #29 06-21-2004, 06:57 AM

someone on another message board stated that rania did not get one very well with her husbands brothers and their families. does anyone here know how true this is as I am under the impression that they all get on very well and spend lots of time together.

cut1me · #30 06-21-2004, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by alia_musallam@Jun 21st, 2004 - 6:57 am
someone on another message board stated that rania did not get one very well with her husbands brothers and their families. does anyone here know how true this is as I am under the impression that they all get on very well and spend lots of time together.

no i dont think thats true, i think their all friends, maybe once in a while they fight like every family but they travel together, last year their were pics of all the them together

zento · #31 06-21-2004, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rollin_keef@Jun 21st, 2004 - 1:55 am
Ive heard that their is a rivary and frosty relationships between the Daughters of P Muna and Q Noor.
Anything right there?
How do the girls get along and between them and sisters in law?

What children are close e.g KA and P Iman?

Rivalry??

but P.Munas' daughters are so much older they can't possibly think of their young sisters as rivals.
They're like baby sisters to them

rollin_keef · #32 06-21-2004, 08:02 PM

the story is that the elder daughters do not like the younger ones and that they are fact frosty to each other because of a rivary.....you know in the family politics.

Does anyone know which siblings are closet to who, i know KA and P Iman are close but how bout P Aisha and P Haya or P Faisel and P Hashim etc?

tipper · #33 06-21-2004, 08:13 PM

they spend time together during the summer holidays, that's true, apart from Hayah, Iman and Raiyah, I think there is a problem btw Iman , her full sis and the other siblings, surely 'cos of KH's kids by previous marriages nasty attitude to Noor. It is odd that the 2 Noor' sons are so close to their siblings , but not to their 2 full sis or to their mum, well, at least they don't spend much time together, does anyone know if they do it in US ? As for Ali, he was Heir apparent til 1998 when QN told KH about Ali's bad behaviour, I wonder how come KH was not aware of Ali's troubles ? I can only say Ali had been involved in some sort of sexual scandal at Eckerd College in Florida, the year before.

alia_musallam · #34 06-21-2004, 08:44 PM

I don't think there's an actual problem between Iman and Raiyah and the rest of their siblings but they were very young when they left Jordan, i mean Raiyah is hardly jordanian by upbringing (having been brought up by Noor in the states), and so they have been separated from their siblings for quite a long time. As boys, and especially as crown prince, hamzah and hashem have spent a lot more time in jordan with their older siblings.

Someone said that it was the older children's dislike of QNoor, but i think that that dislike is not totally one-sided.

paloma · #35 06-21-2004, 08:51 PM

Any time there are ex wives, wives and step children, there are going to be bad feelings and episodes of turmoil. It doesn't matter if the people are common or royal. I'm sure that all members of this family have contributed to the bad state that this family is in now.

rollin_keef · #36 06-21-2004, 09:29 PM

do we know if any siblings are closer to any.
like KA and P Iman

maryshawn · #37 06-26-2004, 01:25 AM

I have read articles from a ways back that Prince Ali was heir apparent after Queen Alia's death. Perhaps it was prompted by KH's grief. Then, Hamzah appeared and KH grew very close to him--thought he was most like him. So many people believe Hamzah was KH's real choice to succeed him as he saw himself in Hamzah. And, yes, I'm sure QN helped cultivate that relationship and edge Ali out. THAT could be the reason for the coolness in the relationship between Noor and Alia's children. It seemed to start out pleasantly enough before Hamzah's birth. I always thought Ali was charismatic and charming--but seemed to drop off the radar screen--perhaps because of his poor behavior. I know Noor says she had nothing to do with succession choices because "her husband made his feelings about Hamzah clear on his own." I am starting to think KH's choice of Abdullah while easiest as in place in constitution eldest son has right to rule was not the best---but I could be surprised as the years go on. I do know I would NOT want to be KA now. There have already been attempts on his life--so who knows how long he will survive.....and if it will be long enough to change succession to his son or if Hamzah will be King someday. I have a gut feeling Hamzah will inherit that role.

sommone · #38 06-26-2004, 02:15 AM

Quote:

There have already been attempts on his life--so who knows how long he will survive.....and if it will be long enough to change succession to his son or if Hamzah will be King someday. I have a gut feeling Hamzah will inherit that role.

I didn't know there had been attempts on KA's life? When?

cut1me · #39 06-26-2004, 11:50 AM

Quote:

I didn't know there had been attempts on KA's life? When?

if i remember correctly after september 11th, KA said that Al-Qaeda tried to assassinate him and his family. They were on holiday at the time, on they yacht,QR was pregnant with Salma, apparently they got word that a boat filld with explosives was going to be driven into their yacht and killed them all

papillon · #40 06-26-2004, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sommone@Jun 26th, 2004 - 1:15 am
I didn't know there had been attempts on KA's life? When?

I just assume every head of state experiences all kinds of thwarted assassination attempts, especially people like Bush, Arafat, Sharon, Mubarak, and KA. The list of leaders making decisions and doing things that others dislike is virtually endless. It seems to come with the job.