HRH Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Princess Clotilde and Family 6: March 2010-

[wyevale]

An embarrassingly 'tarty' appearance even for the di Savoia's...

[capri]

Originally Posted by iceflower

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Second appearance in Cannes: Clotilde attended the Kering Women in Motion Honor Awards and Dinner at Place de la Castre yesterday, May 17:



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What a tragic look and outfit!!!

[Duc_et_Pair]

Words fail me...

[eya]

Do they know if Emanuele-Filiberto before trouble with the showbiz if he did some more (how i to say) normal, regular job?

[iceflower]

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Princess Clotilde attended the L'echappee Belle film premiere in Paris on June 16:



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[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by eya

Do they know if Emanuele-Filiberto before trouble with the showbiz if he did some more (how i to say) normal, regular job?

Well, since the fall of the monarchy Vittorio Emanuele grew up outside of Italy, and his son Emanuele Filiberto was also born abroad without the possibility of setting foot on Italian soil until a change was made in the Italian Constitution in 2002. So the man never had a chance to develop a career in Italy. He has been educated with an economic background but chose for television. Already while living in Switzerland he participated in Italian shows live from Geneva. When the goodlooking man returned to Italy, the networks battled to get him onto their shows.

The last years Emanuele Filiberto began appearing on all number of talkshows and variety shows as well as commercials. More and more he is portraying himself less as a royal and more as rather common and banal B-level showman, with a clearly intent of living in the show business. He won the Italian version of Dancing with the Stars (Ballando con le Stelle).

Besides being an entertainer, Emanuele Filiberto also tried to be a politician. He first tried to be elected into the Italian Parliament (failed) and into the European Parliament (failed). So it seems the Italians maybe see him as a showman and voted for his dancing but that is it. Apparently he was not convincing enough to get a nomination from a major political party or to win a seat on his own. He has tried to set up a joint venture in producing a brand of T-shirts (failed). So it seems that Emanuele Filiberto will cling to his show business career as that is his source of income.

[maria-olivia]

What will he do when his Father will pass away ?
He has two daughers , so after him the head of the House will be Prince Aymon of Aosta's Sun , Prince Humberto.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

What will he do when his Father will pass away ?
He has two daughers , so after him the head of the House will be Prince Aymon of Aosta's Sun , Prince Humberto.

His father and his mother (Marina Ricolfi Doria) seem well enough, so probably Emanuele Filiberto will inherit some wealth.

Well, his daughters... if he respects the last royal Constitution and the House Laws, after his death the Savoia-Aosta branch will become the most senior agnatic line in the House of Italy. But... he also can choose to change the settlements in his own pleasure: "My daughter Vittoria will become the Head of the House!". Then the family feud will be complete, of course. He can also divorce Clotilde Courau (there are already rumours that the couple lives a largely separate life) and remarry with another lady. When he fathers a son with that second lady, he will be his Heir. So it is difficult to say what will happen.

The best scenario: one of the two daughters (Donna Vittoria or Donna Luisa) marries with their far cousin Umberto di Savoia-Aosta. Both Houses of the same dynasty will then re-unite.

[eya]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Well, since the fall of the monarchy Vittorio Emanuele grew up outside of Italy, and his son Emanuele Filiberto was also born abroad without the possibility of setting foot on Italian soil until a change was made in the Italian Constitution in 2002. So the man never had a chance to develop a career in Italy. He has been educated with an economic background but chose for television. Already while living in Switzerland he participated in Italian shows live from Geneva. When the goodlooking man returned to Italy, the networks battled to get him onto their shows.

The last years Emanuele Filiberto began appearing on all number of talkshows and variety shows as well as commercials. More and more he is portraying himself less as a royal and more as rather common and banal B-level showman, with a clearly intent of living in the show business. He won the Italian version of Dancing with the Stars (Ballando con le Stelle).

Besides being an entertainer, Emanuele Filiberto also tried to be a politician. He first tried to be elected into the Italian Parliament (failed) and into the European Parliament (failed). So it seems the Italians maybe see him as a showman and voted for his dancing but that is it. Apparently he was not convincing enough to get a nomination from a major political party or to win a seat on his own. He has tried to set up a joint venture in producing a brand of T-shirts (failed). So it seems that Emanuele Filiberto will cling to his show business career as that is his source of income.

He won the italian version of Dancing? So is the good dancer.
And why some royals to tried to be politicians? For me is a big mistake.
What a big difference to Emanuele and Aimone.

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

His father and his mother (Marina Ricolfi Doria) seem well enough, so probably Emanuele Filiberto will inherit some wealth.

Well, his daughters... if he respects the last royal Constitution and the House Laws, after his death the Savoia-Aosta branch will become the most senior agnatic line in the House of Italy. But... he also can choose to change the settlements in his own pleasure: "My daughter Vittoria will become the Head of the House!". Then the family feud will be complete, of course. He can also divorce Clotilde Courau (there are already rumours that the couple lives a largely separate life) and remarry with another lady. When he fathers a son with that second lady, he will be his Heir. So it is difficult to say what will happen.

The best scenario: one of the two daughters (Donna Vittoria or Donna Luisa) marries with their far cousin Umberto di Savoia-Aosta. Both Houses of the same dynasty will then re-unite.

For me the best scenario is not Umperto mariied Vittoria i prefer someone else. We see at the Georgia something similar and the don't work.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by eya

For me the best scenario is not Umperto mariied Vittoria i prefer someone else. We see at the Georgia something similar and the don't work.

Well, it did work in Georgia: in his person the couple's son Georgiy Bagration-Bagrationi re-unites the rival claims of both Houses of the dynasty (his father's House of Bagrationi-Mukhraneli and his mother's House of Bagrationi-Gruzinski). By doing so they united the claim, which is alwways the best option.

A marriage between Donna Vittoria or Donna Luisa di Savoia with Umberto di Savoia-Aosta will have the same result in their eventual children. It is clear that when inside a royal House there are factions, no any claim will ever work.

[eya]

For me is not work. There is not solution to be weedings when there is more than one claims for the thrones like a France also. What you suggest to marry of children to Jean and Louis-Alphonse? And don't tell me is not the same.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by eya

For me is not work. There is not solution to be weedings when there is more than one claims for the thrones like a France also. What you suggest to marry of children to Jean and Louis-Alphonse? And don't tell me is not the same.

Well in France it is relatively simple: there is only one claim, that of the Orléans. (The Bonapartes make no actual claim). The claim of the Spanish gentleman Luis Alfonso de Borbón can only be taken au sérieux when someone is willing to ignore the many legal complications.

The positions of Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia and of his far cousin Aimone di Savoia-Aosta are undisputed. No one fights that the one is the grandson of Italy's last King. No one fights that the other once becomes the most senior male agnate in the House of Italy as long as Emanuele Filiberto fathers no son.

In Italy's case there is no need for a marriage between Donna Vittoria or Donna Luisa with Umberto. He will be the most senior agnate once, as long as the two girls will not have a brother. But the danger is that Emanuele Filiberto will possibly try to change the House Laws in favour of his daughter and then the feud is complete. So in an ideal situation, but not neccessary at all, a marriage would re-unite both factions of the same dynasty. Why would EF change the House Laws when he knows that his grandson (from a Savoia mother and a Savoia-Aosta father) will become the ultimate and undisputed Heir?

Having said that, in contrary to their parents Vittorio Emanuele respectively Amedeo, both Emanuele Filiberto and Aimone seem to go on with each other on a normal and polite manner. No pettiness, no nasty tricks, no slur in the media. That is already a positive evolution.

[Ceallach]

What would be better is a reconciliation similar to the Two Sicilies with one eventual heir Umberto. I think it will be possible in the future once their fathers have passed. It is a more comparable situation.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Ceallach

What would be better is a reconciliation similar to the Two Sicilies with one eventual heir Umberto. I think it will be possible in the future once their fathers have passed. It is a more comparable situation.

That is what I hope too. The Sicilian case is in some ways more or less comparable: Prince Carlo (the one who is married to Camilla Crociani) has no male offspring. His "contender", the other Prince Carlo (the one who is married to Princess Anne d'Orléans), has male offspring.

[dazzling]

Italian Emanuele Filiberto of Savoy (R), Prince of Venice and Piedmont (Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia) and his wife, French actress Clotilde Courau (C) attend Pope Francis' mass in Turin's Piazza Vittorio on June 21, 2015. The pontiff visits Turin to venerate the Holy Shroud, believed by some Christians to be the burial shroud of Jesus of Nazareth, after which the pope will meet prisoners, young people and the sick in his first pastoral trip to northern Italy.

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[Cory]

Emanuele-Filiberto di Savoia has no dialogue at all with HRH Hereditary Prince Aimone of Savoy.

[eya]

Why Emanuele must have dialogue with Aimone?

[iceflower]

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Princess Clotilde attended Bulgari Haute Couture Cocktail Party & Model Show in Paris on July 7, 2015:



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[Cory]

Originally Posted by eya

Why Emanuele must have dialogue with Aimone?

Maybe because they are both descendants of the Kings of Italy.

[eya]

The last King of Italy it was Umberto. His son and especially his grandson Emanuele-Filiberto is the righteous heir to the throne. I don't see the reason for any dialogue with the Aimone.