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08-18-2010, 10:28 PM
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My Condolences to his family and friends.
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08-19-2010, 08:27 AM
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my condolences to his family 
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08-19-2010, 08:46 AM
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Poor Princess Irene and the children.
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08-19-2010, 12:50 PM
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My condolences to the family. May he rest in peace.
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08-19-2010, 04:35 PM
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08-19-2010, 04:55 PM
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08-19-2010, 06:02 PM
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Not exactly a,or the,funeral but a Memorial and farewell from Spain as the body will be flown to The Netherlands tomorrow.
Very moving,about 300 persons attended the service.
Duke Carlos Javier and Duchess Annemarie as well as TRH Prince Jaime,Princesses Margarita and Maria Carolina and three sisters
of the late Duke of Parma,Marie Therese,Cecilia and Maria de las Nieves were in attendance.
The wreath in the back with the blue ribbon is from TM King Don Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia of Spain.
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08-19-2010, 06:06 PM
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May I ask which decoration the new Duke of Parma is wearing ?
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08-19-2010, 07:29 PM
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My condolences to his family.
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08-20-2010, 03:35 AM
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May I ask which decoration the new Duke of Parma is wearing ?
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As he is Head of the House Bourbon Parma now I suppose it is the Constantinian Order of which he now is Grandmaster.
A Ducal Order of which his father as Head of the House was Grandmaster before.
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08-20-2010, 05:08 AM
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Not exactly a,or the,funeral but a Memorial and farewell from Spain as the body will be flown to The Netherlands tomorrow.
Very moving,about 300 persons attended the service.
Duke Carlos Javier and Duchess Annemarie as well as TRH Prince Jaime,Princesses Margarita and Maria Carolina and three sisters
of the late Duke of Parma,Marie Therese,Cecilia and Maria de las Nieves were in attendance.
The wreath in the back with the blue ribbon is from TM King Don Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia of Spain.
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The late Duke will be flown here today on board the government aircraft KBX by special order of HM Queen Beatrix,(who also picks up the tab..for those who would question..),as a special sign of caring affection between dear old friends.The late Duke,who held the title of Prince here,will lie in state in the Fagel Pavillion in the Noordeinde Palace garden.The general public will not be able to pay their respect,only invited guests will be able to do so.
News Summary Royalblog.nl: Carlos Javier speaks lovingly of father
courtesy hja
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08-20-2010, 05:58 AM
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Is that an 'armless' Spanish Standard on his coffin ?
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08-20-2010, 06:07 AM
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It is, it looks like there is just a red ball with some kind of feather coming out of the top right.
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08-20-2010, 06:23 AM
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It is, it looks like there is just a red ball with some kind of feather coming out of the top right.
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I think that's a red beret & a Lily on top of the Spanish 'armless' standard.
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08-20-2010, 07:17 AM
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I'm not sure but I think is the "simbol" of the Carlist party.
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08-20-2010, 08:19 AM
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I'm not sure but I think is the "simbol" of the Carlist party.
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It is Paty,the red baret is a Carlist symbol.The "white" is a white lily,another symbol.
The Prince is wearing a simple benedictine habit in his coffin.
He was Knight Grand Cross Honour and Devotion of the Order of Malta
Grand Master of the Constantinian Order,but this shows,again,what a humble man the late Duke was.
The late Prince just arrived at the airport here and is taken to The Hague now.
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08-20-2010, 09:02 AM
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Lucien , May I tell you again my great admiration for the behavior of The Dutch RF towards the infortunate Duke of Parma , born French Prince Charles-Hughes de Bourbon- Parme, son of Prince Xavier de Bourbon-Parme and Princess Madeleine, Princesse de Bourbon-Buisset.
He married Princess Irene, without the agreement of her parents in Rome, and they divorced after a few years.
His Carlist campaign was alas unsucessful but he remained respectfull for Spain 's King Juan Carlos , another Bourbon.
His children grew up in the Netherlands with the support of the RF.
Altough 2 of his children had sad situations : a boy born without wedding and a wedding which was totally a disaster the Dutch RF alowed that the late Prince came to the Netherlands with honour of this Ducal title. I am impressed.
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08-20-2010, 11:07 AM
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Requiescat in pace!
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08-20-2010, 11:40 AM
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Lucien , May I tell you again my great admiration for the behavior of The Dutch RF towards the infortunate Duke of Parma , born French Prince Charles-Hughes de Bourbon- Parme, son of Prince Xavier de Bourbon-Parme and Princess Madeleine, Princesse de Bourbon-Buisset.
He married Princess Irene, without the agreement of her parents in Rome, and they divorced after a few years.
His Carlist campaign was alas unsucessful but he remained respectfull for Spain 's King Juan Carlos , another Bourbon.
His children grew up in the Netherlands with the support of the RF.
Altough 2 of his children had sad situations : a boy born without wedding and a wedding which was totally a disaster the Dutch RF alowed that the late Prince came to the Netherlands with honour of this Ducal title. I am impressed.
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Thank you for your kind words dear Maria-Olivia.They did get married with the consent of both her parents,but as a Monarch thus Head of State her mother The Queen was to follow the government in this question and therefore could not attend nor any member of the RF.He,Carlos Hugo,wasn't to give up his rights to the Throne of Spain while Princess Irene was second in line here,had converted to catholicism and wasn't willing to give up Carlos Hugo.So,she married without the consent of the Dutch government and by doing so lost her right to the Throne.On their wedding day,april 29th 1964 in Rome's Santa Maria Maggiore in the Capella Borghese,the dutch RF watched the ceremony on tv,in black and white at that time,there were no colour tv's at the time.And then the electricity failed while they were watching at Warmelo Castle,residence of Princess Armgard,Bernhards mother,and left them all with a black screen.A drama,certainly in those days,and we felt for all involved.Can you imagine.
The marriage lasted 17 years,17 years in which they worked hard to convert the Carlist movement from a ultra-conservative bunch into a realistic and modern political party.But with Franco's choice for Don Juan Carlos and the subsequent success of the latter the Princess later said;"With King Juan Carlos being the excellent Monarch he turned out to be,we had nothing left to fight for,lost all faith in success for what we had been fighting for and disillusion ruled".
Later,son Prince Carlos,now Duke Carlos Javier and Miss Klijnstra had a deal in which Brigitte wished to have a baby from Carlos,but not tyed up in a marriage,it was the mothers choice to have Carlos Junior and live as she does,btw a handsome nice boy it is now.It might maybe not have been the late Duke's favorite moment,but a child is a child and doesn't ask to be born but when it did it was agreed that the baby would not be officially recognised.And that is what happened.Margarita,I am just way too happy for her that she found Tjalling and has her wonderfull family here in Amsterdam.Whatever happened,and whatever crisis occurred with or without the direct doing of a family member,they always have the grace and human kindness to talk their fights/disagreements over and that is that.
The late Duke was a favorite among many family members,it really is a warm,very funny,very intelligent and closeknitted family you know,I just wish I could say that of more families I know of.
The late Duke deserves the respect shown now,HM and all the family think so,and that shows their caring and cordiality towards friends,especially this one.
The coffin with the remains is now lying in state at the Fagel Cupola in the Palace garden,a absolutely beautifull sight,with three large wreaths,the one in front of his coffin from his children and Princess Irene,one of HM Queen Beatrix,her children and grandchildren and one by King Don Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia of Spain.It is a moving sight Maria-Olivia,but it goes beyond that,it shows the genuine affection and respect and the high esteem in which the late Duke was held by the Orange Nassau family.And by a great many of us.
The Basilica Magistrale Costantiniana della Steccata in Parma where HRH will be interred on saturday august 28th:
http://www.royaltyguide.nl/countries...a/steccata.htm
courtesy Mardam.
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