 |
|
09-28-2006, 02:31 PM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 4,265
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by lord_rankin
Does anyone know if Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna attended the reburial? I have only seen proof that her rival Prince Nicholas attended.
|
...
The split within the Romanov dynasty over the Tsar’s true heir was evident, however. Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna was placed in the centre section of the cathedral next to Prince Michael, former King Constantine of Greece and Denmark’s Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary, while Prince Nicholas Romanov and the majority of family members, who dispute her claim to be the titular Empress of Russia, stood at the
side.
..
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...379381,00.html
|
09-28-2006, 02:42 PM
|
 |
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Detroit, United States
Posts: 130
|
|
Thanks, that was a really good article fanletizia. 
|
09-28-2006, 03:58 PM
|
|
Heir Presumptive
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Monterey, United States
Posts: 2,323
|
|
|
What an amazing Ceremony :) great article!
|
09-28-2006, 04:50 PM
|
 |
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 6,861
|
|
Grand Duchess Maria was indeed there;
(Pic from ANP)
And so you see, Maria has proved the rest of them wrong. It was her who was given pride of place, it was her who was placed beside the real Royals and it was her who the Patriarch spent a very long time praying with.
__________________
Kaye aka BeatrixFan
|
09-28-2006, 05:06 PM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 3,323
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BeatrixFan
Grand Duchess Maria was indeed there;
And so you see, Maria has proved the rest of them wrong. It was her who was given pride of place, it was her who was placed beside the real Royals and it was her who the Patriarch spent a very long time praying with.
|
It's quite funny anyway to follow the argumentation of the other side when it comes to her right of succession. They argue with Tsar Paul's family laws and don't see that it always was the privilege of the Head of the House to change the family laws. And Grand Duchess Maria's father undoubtedly was the Head of the House when he declared his wife as equal. Maybe according to a new house law just created by him but equal by decision of the Head of the House.
Thus, she is the legal pretender to the throne of Russia and nobody else.
__________________
'To dare is to lose one step for but a moment, not to dare is to lose oneself forever' - Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark in a letter to Miss Mary Donaldson as stated by them on their official engagement interview.
|
09-28-2006, 05:09 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 6,861
|
|
|
I really do like Maria, and she doesn't only have the birthright, she's got the style and the sensibility too. She won't get into arguments with Dmitri and Nikolai, she won't row with them - she just works for Russia whilst the others claim non-existant titles and dine out on them.
__________________
Kaye aka BeatrixFan
|
09-28-2006, 05:18 PM
|
 |
Courtier
|
|
Join Date: May 2006
Location: My Home, United States
Posts: 698
|
|
Photo and comment from Corbis:
Russia - Russian Empress Maria Fiodorovna Reburial
Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moller (R), Crown Prince of Denmark Frederic (C) and Crown Princess Mary (L) listen to an unidentified Russian woman, as they attend the funeral service at Isaakiyevsky Cathedral during the reburial of the Russian Empress Maria Fiodorovna in Saint Petersburg, 28 September 2006. Danish royals arrived in St. Petersburg to take part in reburial of the Russian Empress Maria fiodorovna, former Danish Princess Dagmar, which married Russian Emperor Alexander III and escaped Russia after the October Bolshevic revolution and died in Denmark.
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-1737...-1c8620968d21}
Photo and comment from GettyImages:
(I believe this is when Frederick added the dirt taken from Empress Maria Fiodorovna's rose garden)
http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/7203...B16B49E445EBEE
St Petersburg, RUSSIAN FEDERATION: Danish Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary attend a burial ceremony for Czarina Maria Feodorovna in the royal crypt at the Cathedral of the Peter and Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg, 28 September 2006. Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II on Thursday led burial ceremonies for Czarina Maria Feodorovna, the Danish-born empress whose remains are to be interred in her adopted land 78 years after her death. Maria Feodorovna was the mother of Russia's last czar, Nicholas II, who was executed by the Bolsheviks in 1918. She went into exile in Denmark in 1919 and died in 1928.
|
09-28-2006, 05:33 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 6,861
|
|
|
Remember that Orthodox services require alot of standing up which takes time to get used to. There's also alot of bowing - every time the Holy Trinity is mentioned, you bow and cross yourself, so it's very very tiring indeed. You get used to it though.
__________________
Kaye aka BeatrixFan
|
09-28-2006, 06:04 PM
|
|
Newbie
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cambridge, United Kingdom
Posts: 3
|
|
|
Maria does not have the right to use the title Grand Duchess. Only daughters of Tsars are allowed that title; she is technically not a Grand Duchess. Furthermore, her claim to the throne is not legitimate given the fact that the Russian throne can only be ascended to through the male line; hence why Prince Nicholas in fact has a greater claim to the throne that Maria. Maria's grandfather also betrayed Tsar Nicholas II and colluded with the Reds during the Revolution, which I would think nulls and voids any right to the throne.
|
09-28-2006, 06:32 PM
|
 |
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: capital, United Arab Emirates
Posts: 143
|
|
RUSSIA: Ceremony of reburial of Maria Fedorovna
Crown Prince of Danemark with princess Mary. Ceremony of reburial of Maria Fedorovna, mother of Nicolas II, the last tsar of Russia. Saint Petersburg, 27.09.2006. source Keld Navntoft/Scanpix 2006 via isifa.com
 
|
09-28-2006, 06:32 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 6,861
|
|
|
skvc - there's alot of Grand Duchesses and it isn't restricted to daughters of Tsars. She is definately entitled to call herself a Grand Duchess - that's widely accepted, what some people dispute is that she isn't the heir to the throne. 'Prince' Nikolai and his brother Dmitri do not have a right to call themselves Princes let alone Head of the family.
RachelD - Mary should have been warned. When I went to my first Orthodox service, I was quite shocked. There's a few breaks where you may sit down but generally it's all standing and you say nothing. Then you are expected to help swing the lanterns etc and they also come and douse you in a special oil which is pretty suprising if it's your first visit. 3 Hours is about average for a vigil and it was probably a strain on Mary and Frederik because they wouldn't have moved very much, not being Orthodox. I don't know if they walked outside but it's usual for everyone to leave the Church and have part of the service outside. I'm sure she will have been forewarned. If she wasn't - poor Mary!
__________________
Kaye aka BeatrixFan
|
09-28-2006, 06:33 PM
|
|
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: capital, United Arab Emirates
Posts: 143
|
|
Photo By Tim Rooke / Rex Features via isifa
 
|
09-28-2006, 06:41 PM
|
|
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: capital, United Arab Emirates
Posts: 143
|
|
|
|
09-28-2006, 06:51 PM
|
|
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: capital, United Arab Emirates
Posts: 143
|
|
|
|
09-28-2006, 07:25 PM
|
 |
Courtier
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: -, United States
Posts: 606
|
|
Wow. Thanks for all the wonderful photos!!! 
Does anyone have any of these without watermarks?
Thanks.
__________________
"ONE" *Get involved and help with the fight against extreme poverty!!*
www.one.org
|
09-28-2006, 08:26 PM
|
|
Heir Presumptive
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Monterey, United States
Posts: 2,323
|
|
|
Who is she buried next to is her Husband right next to her???
|
09-28-2006, 08:33 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 6,861
|
|
|
She's buried between Alexander III and Nicholas II.
__________________
Kaye aka BeatrixFan
|
09-28-2006, 08:54 PM
|
|
Aristocracy
|
|
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 194
|
|
|
Mary's hat from today is the same one she wore in Rosklide last Saturday. I know it's good that she is economical but wearing the same hat twice a week...?!
|
09-29-2006, 02:47 AM
|
 |
Commoner
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Richmond, United States
Posts: 14
|
|
|
|
09-29-2006, 07:28 AM
|
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 3,323
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sophus
Mary's hat from today is the same one she wore in Rosklide last Saturday. I know it's good that she is economical but wearing the same hat twice a week...?!
|
My personal guess is that she just waited to get back at the tabloids for writing that she was Denmark's "Imelda Marcos". What better and more subtle way to do that is there than to simply wear the same black hat twice to the same occasion as in "reburial of empress..."
__________________
'To dare is to lose one step for but a moment, not to dare is to lose oneself forever' - Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark in a letter to Miss Mary Donaldson as stated by them on their official engagement interview.
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
