France and Monarchy

[Frozen Royalist]

Even though a French monarchy restoration is one of the most remote possibilities at the moment, which of the three deposed houses is the most popular at the moment? The Bourbons, the Orleans or the Bonapartes? I'd personally like to see the Bonapartes again because one there are no emperors in Europe right now and two I think Jean-Christophe could make a good head of state if he pushed hard enough and gathered support. What about you guys?

-Frozen Royalist

 

[JR76]

Even though a French monarchy restoration is one of the most remote possibilities at the moment, which of the three deposed houses is the most popular at the moment? The Bourbons, the Orleans or the Bonapartes? I'd personally like to see the Bonapartes again because one there are no emperors in Europe right now and two I think Jean-Christophe could make a good head of state if he pushed hard enough and gathered support. What about you guys?

-Frozen Royalist

I think that the miniscule possibility of a restoration passed once the former Count of Paris lost his marbles and started to live a life totally the opposite of what he had up to then spent his life trying to achieve. He and especially his wife, commonly known in France as Madame, had been accorded with a respect and had had a position in society unparalleled by other European pretenders. The current Count is nowhere close to the position of his parents and his infighting with his son isn't helping his cause at all. A cause that seems to be out of touch with the rest of France and promoting values that was out of date even before WWII.
Regarding the Duke of Anjou I wonder what makes him think that the French would accept a Spaniard on the throne?
I agree with you that the Bonaparte pretender seems to be a fine young chap but I highly doubt he'd be interested in a potential throne though Napoleon IV
(& Empress Olympia?) does have a nice ring to it.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I think that the miniscule possibility of a restoration passed once the former Count of Paris lost his marbles and started to live a life totally the opposite of what he had up to then spent his life trying to achieve. He and especially his wife, commonly known in France as Madame, had been accorded with a respect and had had a position in society unparalleled by other European pretenders. The current Count is nowhere close to the position of his parents and his infighting with his son isn't helping his cause at all. A cause that seems to be out of touch with the rest of France and promoting values that was out of date even before WWII.
Regarding the Duke of Anjou I wonder what makes him think that the French would accept a Spaniard on the throne?
I agree with you that the Bonaparte pretender seems to be a fine young chap but I highly doubt he'd be interested in a potential throne though Napoleon IV
(& Empress Olympia?) does have a nice ring to it.

The infighting you blame the current Duc d'Orléans towards his son Prince Jean, actually started with his father, who started an infight with his own son, the current Duc.

Then there has possibly not been a more worse mismanagement of one of the grandest family fortunes ever than by the previous Duc d'Orléans, who left his children penniless. The current Duc d'Orleans once famously stated that even the French Revolution did not feat what happened to the fortune of the former Royal House.

For the rest there IS a monarchy of course. The presidents of France easily beat monarchies when it comes to grandeur and ceremonial.

 

[eya]

Why France needs a new parliamentary monarchy!

Pourquoi la France a besoin d’une nouvelle Monarchie parlementaire ! - Le blog de La Couronne

https://translate.googleusercontent...taire/&usg=ALkJrhhGi_2fWWy-7nXdrxW6suKS71WpVw

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

They already have a monarchy. Le Roi Emmanuel. Also known as "Jupiter".

 

[wyevale]

Le Roi Emmanuel

And [as in the past] they will 'fall out of love' and duly 'knock him off his pedestal'.

It is WHAT THEY DO.

 

[Mbruno]

And [as in the past] they will 'fall out of love' and duly 'knock him off his pedestal'.

It is WHAT THEY DO.

It sounds like something Queen Elizabeth II would have said to Tony Blair, at least in the fictional version of the movie 'The Queen'.

 

[Mbruno]

France was the first country in Europe to become a republic, I doubt there is any possibility of restoring the monarchy.

There were other republics in Europe before France, including the Netherlands and various Italian states. And, of course, Switzerland has been a republic of some sort for all the time of its existence as a separate state.

 

[Biri]

And even England was a republic for eleven years

 

[Nico]

Why France needs a new parliamentary monarchy!

Pourquoi la France a besoin d’une nouvelle Monarchie parlementaire ! - Le blog de La Couronne

https://translate.googleusercontent...taire/&usg=ALkJrhhGi_2fWWy-7nXdrxW6suKS71WpVw

Ah ah ah well no thank you very much.
It's already complicated enough as it is....

 

[wyevale]

even England was a republic for eleven years

And what a catastrophe that was - Military Governments, and rigged 'Parliaments'. The populace was overjoyed to be rid of it, after JUST 11 years..

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

France was the first country in Europe to become a republic, I doubt there is any possibility of restoring the monarchy.

You forget that after the beheading of Louis XVI we have seen three French monarchies following a French republic. (Napoleon, Orléans, Napoleon III).

 

[Nico]

You forget that after the beheading of Louis XVI we have seen three monarchies following a republic. (Napoleon, Orléans, Napoleon III).

Four, including the comeback of the Bourbons (Louis XVIII and Charles X).
But nevermind ...

 

[Al_bina]

They already have a monarchy. Le Roi Emmanuel. Also known as "Jupiter".

The French voters were overjoyed at Marine Le Pen's defeat. So they should be able to accept consequences of their action.

 

[Nico]

The French voters were overjoyed at Marine Le Pen's defeat. So they should be able to accept consequences of their action.

And for good reasons...

 

[Mbruno]

You forget that after the beheading of Louis XVI we have seen three French monarchies following a French republic. (Napoleon, Orléans, Napoleon III).

Do you mean Napoleon, Bourbon, Orléans, and Napoleon III ? It is a well-known fact that the monarchy would probably have been restored after Napoleon III if if it were not for the Count of Chambord's stubbornness in not accepting the republican tricolor flag.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Four, including the comeback of the Bourbons (Louis XVIII and Charles X).
But nevermind ...

Oh yes, Les Misérables. How could I forget them? You are right.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

The French voters were overjoyed at Marine Le Pen's defeat. So they should be able to accept consequences of their action.

I am not sure they were overjoyed, as the alternative (Macron) also got mixed reactions. But okay, for so far Macron seems to do relatively well in his first year.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Do you mean Napoleon, Bourbon, Orléans, and Napoleon III ? It is a well-known fact that the monarchy would probably have been restored after Napoleon III if if it were not for the Count of Chambord's stubbornness in not accepting the republican tricolor flag.

The fact that the French have given the monarchy 5 chances (Bourbon-Bonaparte-Bourbon-Orléans-Bonaparte) and still the crowned heads ruined it. I doubt there will be a 6th monarchy.

The French have the best of two worlds: a head of state with more monarchal grandeur than lots of kings, ánd they can get rid of them in 5 years time! Hard to sell a hereditary monarchy, when you have all the trappings, the decorum, the ceremonial and you can easily get rid of poor presidents.

 

[Al_bina]

I am not sure they were overjoyed, as the alternative (Macron) also got mixed reactions. But okay, for so far Macron seems to do relatively well in his first year.

It is wonderful that President Macron got mixed reactions. The reactions in question were/are irrelevant. Words of current French politicians (especially after lies about the well-meaning Libyan intervention) have no weight and little influence in the world.
As for the French restoration ... Consciously France chose to be a republic and will remain to be one in the foreseeable future.

 

[IlekVad]

Even though a French monarchy restoration is one of the most remote possibilities at the moment, which of the three deposed houses is the most popular at the moment? The Bourbons, the Orleans or the Bonapartes? I'd personally like to see the Bonapartes again because one there are no emperors in Europe right now and two I think Jean-Christophe could make a good head of state if he pushed hard enough and gathered support. What about you guys?

-Frozen Royalist

If I were French I would definitely vote for him if he turned to politics. Heck, I would love it if he could run for President of the US. He'd probably be one of the best leaders we've ever had. He's more liberal and understands the modern world much more thoroughly and deeply than the others. He's right about a lot of things especially in economics and politics.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

How do you know Jean-Christophe is "more liberal" and "understands the world much more deeply" than, let us say, a Macron or a Trudeau?

The last two have shown their political colours in words and actions. What is your source for Jean-Christophes assumed liberal and modern views?

 

[IlekVad]

I was comparing him to other pretenders. Some pretenders though I can't say what their political views are. Compared to Macron and Trudeau I would say he is about equal or slightly more conservative.
In several articles he discusses his political views and in good detail. One of which is unfortunately old and hard to find .

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I was comparing him to other pretenders. Some pretenders though I can't say what their political views are. Compared to Macron and Trudeau I would say he is about equal or slightly more conservative.
In several articles he discusses his political views and in good detail. One of which is unfortunately old and hard to find .

Why not support Jean-Christophe's father who is progressive and a supporter of the République. In word and deed Charles Napoléon seems more liberal than his son Jean-Chistophe. He was active for the Socialist and now for the libertarian-humanitarian MoDem.

 

[IlekVad]

Why not support Jean-Christophe's father who is progressive and a supporter of the République. In word and deed Charles Napoléon seems more liberal than his son Jean-Chistophe.

In one article Jean Christophe said that he's views himself as being more liberal than his father. Since he never held a public office it's hard to say where exactly on the political spectrum he is. He also repeatedly said that he doesn't want the throne and that if and when he enters politics he'll do it by the rules of the republican system. Although I recall Napoleon the 3rd said and did something similar.

 

[RoyalistforLife]

I really wanted to like Jean Christophe, but from what I've seen in the past weeks of learning about him he hasn't really shown much to be anywhere on the level of Macron or Trudeau - not in terms of work ethic nor substance. Political views aside of course. Maybe once he stops jet setting and will instead work more on those things, I will see him as a potential head of state I would consider voting for or supporting as a monarch. JMO of course.

 

[Nico]

I really wanted to like Jean Christophe, but from what I've seen in the past weeks of learning about him he hasn't really shown much to be anywhere on the level of Macron or Trudeau - not in terms of work ethic nor substance. Political views aside of course. Maybe once he stops jet setting and will instead work more on those things, I will see him as a potential head of state I would consider voting for or supporting as a monarch. JMO of course.

Your theory works only if Jean-Christophe wanted to be a potential Head of State and/or be part of the rather mercyless French political life.
It's clearly not the case, as he considers himself as a private citizen with a famous name. Like his grandmother he's interested in the historic aspect of this name, nothing more (unlike his own father and his mixed political results).

The Napoleons (as the Bourbons or the Orléans) are seen mainly as historical figures, not active members of the French society. And they are respected for that.

 

[Denville]

I really wanted to like Jean Christophe, but from what I've seen in the past weeks of learning about him he hasn't really shown much to be anywhere on the level of Macron or Trudeau - not in terms of work ethic nor substance. Political views aside of course. Maybe once he stops jet setting and will instead work more on those things, I will see him as a potential head of state I would consider voting for or supporting as a monarch. JMO of course.

Why sould he be a potential head of state? It seems as if he has no desire whatsover to be one anyway?

 

[Al_bina]

I really wanted to like Jean Christophe, but from what I've seen in the past weeks of learning about him he hasn't really shown much to be anywhere on the level of Macron or Trudeau - not in terms of work ethic nor substance. Political views aside of course. Maybe once he stops jet setting and will instead work more on those things, I will see him as a potential head of state I would consider voting for or supporting as a monarch. JMO of course.

Is there any reason for Jean Christophe to be like President Macron or Prime Minister Trudeau? One has yet to see great achievements of the aforementioned politicians.
It is unfortunate though that so few modern aristocrats opt for history/art over a military career.

 

[Denville]

Aristocrats have always tended towards military careers.. that's the main raison d'etre of their class....