The Duke and Duchess of Sussex: Transition & Future

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by ACO

I think it would be wise for all to just "go that far" because honestly a clean break is likely the best scenario. Once they conclude things next month it is really no point in their titles. He will always be Prince Harry. They don't need to be the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

It’s true that, at least in America, he’s always known as Prince Harry...no one ever refers to him as the Duke of Sussex. Nonetheless, I don’t think he’d want to give up his HRH so easily....if for no other reason than to maintain that connection to his family and heritage (if it’s to be believed that he was genuinely sad about leaving, which I do buy)

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by suztav

Frankly, I think prohibiting them from using the word "royal" should have been one of the first things. No one should be able to commercialize the word royal for their own personal financial gain. Crass!

With a bit of sleuthing around, I found out that in the UK, the use of the word "royal" does require permission for use in the name of a business, company, or product, According to gov.uk, the words are considered “sensitive” because they might mislead the public by suggesting an association with the capital-R royals.

While it may have been permissible for Harry and Meghan to set up and name their foundation and Instagram account "Sussex Royal" when it was established as they were part and parcel of the "Firm", this may not apply at all now that they're no longer working royals representing the "Firm" and the monarchy.

I'll wait for an official announcement as to what is decided. I do believe it is very probable that they will be required to relinquish the use of the word "royal" in any way associated with their commercial endeavors.

https://www.businessinsider.com/some...om-2018-6?r=UK

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Osipi

With a bit of sleuthing around, I found out that in the UK, the use of the word "royal" does require permission for use in the name of a business, company, or product, According to gov.uk, the words are considered “sensitive” because they might mislead the public by suggesting an association with the capital-R royals.

While it may have been permissible for Harry and Meghan to set up and name their foundation and Instagram account "Sussex Royal" when it was established as they were part and parcel of the "Firm", this may not apply at all now that they're no longer working royals representing the "Firm" and the monarchy.

I'll wait for an official announcement as to what is decided. I do believe it is very probable that they will be required to relinquish the use of the word "royal" in any way associated with their commercial endeavors.

https://www.businessinsider.com/some...om-2018-6?r=UK

You know - I actually asked that upthread. I know that in the UK the Queen can prevent them from using the title "royal" - but can she prevent them from using it in Canada? Or the US? They could declare themselves "King and Queen of the World"- who can stop them outside the UK?

[Denville]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

Yes. That's what they're counting on. Their millionaire supporters supporting them.


How else are they going to earn money?


They don't expect you to buy their stuff. They expect Goldman Sachs to give them speaking gigs and Oprah to loan them one of their houses.


And British celebs too - Elton John to fly them to one of his private houses for a vacation.

It seems that you'er saying they are relying on their "millionaire supporters" to pay out for - well for what? Harry talking about his depression? Is that really going to last for very long.

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Denville

It seems that you'er saying they are relying on their "millionaire supporters" to pay out for - well for what? Harry talking about his depression? Is that really going to last for very long.

I don't know how long it will last. I'm just saying they're not counting on you or me to support them. They're counting on Goldman Sachs and Elton John and Oprah.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by wyevale

^ I'm glad the term 'Royal' can no longer be USED by this couple, and the people from Sussex, that I know would appreciate them no longer using that name either.

They no longer represent the Royal family, and they certainly don't represent Sussex..Why should that 'fair county' be associated with them [in the Public mind] ?

'Mountbatten-Windsor' seems the only legitimate, long term name for them 'to go by'...

I agree. Harry and Meghan have rejected the Royal life, and they want to be independent, so Mountbatten-Windsor is the right name for them. I do think it will be be impossible to determine if any success they have is due to their own abilities or their connections since I think people/Americans will always think of Harry as royalty.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

I don't know how long it will last. I'm just saying they're not counting on you or me to support them. They're counting on Goldman Sachs and Elton John and Oprah.

At the moment I think they are counting on Charles to support them. I should hope they don't expect the hard pressed British tax payer to pay for ther removal to Canada etc.

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

I agree. Harry and Meghan have rejected the Royal life, and they want to be independent, so Mountbatten-Windsor is the right name for them. I do think it will be be impossible to determine if any success they have is due to their own abilities or their connections since I think people/Americans will always think of Harry as royalty.

Yes but how can they stop them from using the title in Canada. They can in the UK but in Canada they can call themselves anything. I think it's also true in the US.

Originally Posted by Denville

At the moment I think they are counting on Charles to support them. I should hope they don't expect the hard pressed British tax payer to pay for ther removal to Canada etc.

Charles is peanuts. He only gives them a few million dollars. If tabloids are to be believed they're looking at 30 million dollar houses to buy. Harry's whole net worth is 30 million dollars. They've set their sights much higher than that.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

Charles is peanuts. He only gives them a few million dollars. If tabloids are to be believed they're looking at 30 million dollar houses to buy. Harry's whole net worth is 30 million dollars. They've set their sights much higher than that.

Charles is peanuts?? What a pair. If he took away his allowance to them at present, I think they would nto be in a very good place financially.. because while Harry has a decent fortune... its not going to buy houses of that kind or provide that lavish a lifestyle. THey are sounding more unpleasant by the minute and it seems easier to believe that Meghan certainly didn't intend to stick out her royal role for more than a year or so...

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

It’s true that, at least in America, he’s always known as Prince Harry...no one ever refers to him as the Duke of Sussex. Nonetheless, I don’t think he’d want to give up his HRH so easily....if for no other reason than to maintain that connection to his family and heritage (if it’s to be believed that he was genuinely sad about leaving, which I do buy)

But he doesn't want his connection to his family and heritage. He turned his back on both. For whatever reason.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

But he doesn't want his connection to his family and heritage. He turned his back on both. For whatever reason.

what happens when the millionaire friends lose interest, and the speaking engagements dry up? If he has annoyed his family, may get more and more difficult for him to go back to them. If he goes around trying to usie titles or styles that the queen has forbidden him to use, she is not going to be happy.

[QueenMathilde]

Originally Posted by Denville

Charles is peanuts?? What a pair. If he took away his allowance to them at present, I think they would nto be in a very good place financially.. because while Harry has a decent fortune... its not going to buy houses of that kind or provide that lavish a lifestyle. THey are sounding more unpleasant by the minute and it seems easier to believe that Meghan certainly didn't intend to stick out her royal role for more than a year or so...

I don't know. But according to the tabloids they're looking at houses that are way beyond what they can afford. The London Times business edition had up an article about how once they leave this house their mystery donor has loaned them rent-free they are looking at houses that are well beyond their means. They were discussing how they were going to pay for all of this.


And the consensus was it wasn't us who were going to support them. It was Silicon Valley and Hollywood.

Originally Posted by Denville

what happens when the millionaire friends lose interest, and the speaking engagements dry up? If he has annoyed his family, may get more and more difficult for him to go back to them. If he goes around trying to usie titles or styles that the queen has forbidden him to use, she is not going to be happy.

You have to ask them that. I don't dislike them I just don't get the point of burning their bridges. Which they are doing.

[Madame Verseau]

According to CNN the use 8f Sussex Royal is under review.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

You have to ask them that. I don't dislike them I just don't get the point of burning their bridges. Which they are doing.

You're portraying them in a very unattractive light, that they are eager to chase after millionaries and sell themselves for large sums of money.. while no doubt taking Money from Charles till they get sorted out. If this picture of them is true, I don't see the british public ever wanting them back again. And it is easy, well easier if that picture is true... to believe the troll like people who have claimed that Megh never intended to stay in the Job, that she did Put in a year or so, to get herself better known and then once that was over she and H wanted to head for the USA and make loads of money..and that she basically married H for his title.

[BaiSoSo]

Originally Posted by Denville

You're portraying them in a very unattractive light, that they are eager to chase after millionaries and sell themselves for large sums of money.. while no doubt taking Money from Charles till they get sorted out. If this picture of them is true, I don't see the british public ever wanting them back again. And it is easy to believe the troll like people who have claimed that Megh never intended to stay in the Job, that she did a year or so, to get herself better known and then once that was over she and H wanted to head for the USA and make loads of money..

Well they can't make their own money right now because they are still under some senior royal obligations during the transition period...so of course their funding has remained the same (coming from Charles). What do you expect them to do just be homeless and starve until spring? Luckily there is more in the world than just the British public and the Sussexes have a global appeal so ultimately they will be fine.

After a year into it all Harry & Meghan saw the light that they would always be the scapegoats for the rest of the family....when ever there is scandal brewing... They don't want that environment for their child so they decided to go in a different direction than the BRF.

Originally Posted by QueenMathilde

I don't know. But according to the tabloids they're looking at houses that are way beyond what they can afford. The London Times business edition had up an article about how once they leave this house their mystery donor has loaned them rent-free they are looking at houses that are well beyond their means. They were discussing how they were going to pay for all of this.


And the consensus was it wasn't us who were going to support them. It was Silicon Valley and Hollywood.

How would the tabloids know this?

Originally Posted by Denville

what happens when the millionaire friends lose interest, and the speaking engagements dry up? If he has annoyed his family, may get more and more difficult for him to go back to them. If he goes around trying to usie titles or styles that the queen has forbidden him to use, she is not going to be happy.

What makes you think it will dry up soon...people don't even know what kind of work they will be doing? People also act like Meghan wasn't successful before joining the family and that they can't be successful on their own when millions of people somehow manage to be successful without having a royal family.

As for annoying his family...that is no family it's firm and the only thing that matters is the crown (their family words) and they have treated him like a spare part his whole life.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by BaiSoSo

Well they can't make their own money right now because they are still under some senior royal obligations during the transition period...so of course their funding has remained the same (coming from Charles). What do you expect them to do just be homeless and starve until spring? Luckily there is more in the world than just the British public and the Sussexes have a global appeal so ultimately they will be fine.


What makes you think it will dry up soon...people don't even know what kind of work they will be doing? People also act like Meghan wasn't successful before joining the family and that they can't be successful on their own when millions of people somehow manage to be successful without having a royal family.

As for annoying his family...that is no family it's firm and the only thing that matters is the crown (their family words) and they have treated him like a spare part his whole life.

Homeless and starve??? I don't think so somehow. and what obligation are they under ? They have done maybe 1 engagement in the UK in January and then they scooted off for pastures new and wealthy. They are nto doing royal work, they have left the UK, and IMO they're not likely to come back unless thigns go wrong.

[Lumutqueen]

So some actual news, as expected The Sussexes will not be able to use SussexRoyal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thousands.html

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

So some actual news, as expected The Sussexes will not be able to use SussexRoyal.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...thousands.html

That’s what we have been discussing for the past several pages, but some don’t believe it because it is a Daily Mail article.

It seems to me that this is probably true. I don’t see how they could continue to use Sussex Royal under the circumstances.

[ACO]

The branding news has been discussed for pages. As for whether Meghan will return to the UK anytime soon? According to the director of the National Theatre, it appears she will be there next month. They have a project in the works.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/d...role-national/

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Denville

It seems that you'er saying they are relying on their "millionaire supporters" to pay out for - well for what?

For association, I suppose.
But that is a slippery slope, and it leads straight to the likes of Epstein.