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Old 11-19-2020, 01:14 AM
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Not only did they completely leave out anything related to the work the British Royal Family does, it seemed to me that they threw Andrew, Anne and Edward in as "fillers" to make the episodes fit into the time frame allotted. One thing they did make a point of showing is to allude that the BRF spends a lot of their time eating. Always lunching, dinners or something to do with feeding their faces.
I think it is ground work for the next season. You need to understand Edward is a twat to understand A royal knockout and the rest of his life as they wish to show it. Same with Andrew, you need to know that he lives for his status and position to understand everything else that they will be showing in the next season. You need to see the route to where he is now. Same with the animosity of Anne towards Diana, later Sarah, later Kate and Meghan. In general a whole establishment that was too aligned to men. They need to establish the characters of all of these so that when the 1992 season comes along they can say it was all character flaws. Overprivileged, misguided fools who are completely out of touch, in juxtaposition to Diana the saint and Charles the pathetic. And so that they can tie it back to their central story.
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Old 11-19-2020, 01:22 AM
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Thanks much, Claire. Now I feel like I've already seen season 5!

It's not hard to predict how this is going to go and the more seasons there are, the further down in quality this series seems to go. Anyone know when the new season of "The Windsors" is to be released? That show is far more entertaining than "The Crown".
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Old 11-19-2020, 03:10 AM
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I think it is ground work for the next season. You need to understand Edward is a twat to understand A royal knockout and the rest of his life as they wish to show it. Same with Andrew, you need to know that he lives for his status and position to understand everything else that they will be showing in the next season. You need to see the route to where he is now. Same with the animosity of Anne towards Diana, later Sarah, later Kate and Meghan. In general a whole establishment that was too aligned to men. They need to establish the characters of all of these so that when the 1992 season comes along they can say it was all character flaws. Overprivileged, misguided fools who are completely out of touch, in juxtaposition to Diana the saint and Charles the pathetic. And so that they can tie it back to their central story.
When I saw the episode 'the favourites' my exact thoughts were 'these people' and wow, Thacher's son is a douchbag. Edward was such an idiot, he was clearly bad at studies and only got in Cambridge beacons of his family.

Andrew was so arrogant and cocky and Anna's falling marriage in background.

If you're in a room with British, Danish and Norwagian royalty, you obviously won't go to the British royals first. They are so out of touch and the common people can't really relate to them. Coz they live in their mediaeval la la land
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Old 11-19-2020, 03:24 AM
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And of course, conveniently- Edward, Andrew and Anne are unable to say anything to counter the opinion.


Personally I don't think the three of them give a hoot- their family and friends know the truth and that is what really counts . It is the extended family that will bare the brunt of this - the children and grandchildren.
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Old 11-19-2020, 08:18 AM
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I feel the same way - I am surrounded by work colleagues who see it as much watch material and believe it as gospel. As the portrayal doesn't really go far off the usual tabloid depiction of the characters it is just ingrained deeper and so the lie became the absolute fact.

Has anyone noticed that the Princes Trust, the Duke of Edinburgh Awards, Save the Children and hundreds of charities and such are not mentioned - in general besides Diana had the charity work of any of the royals mentioned. Personally I felt that this season had an agenda, hence the additional inclusion of blood sport in many episodes and the many drawn out over melodramatic speeches.
Nobody lives look good under a microscope, especially when they condense their whole life in 4 lines and provide on context and circumstance. It is not only bad writing - it is bad story telling. one dimensional story telling at its worse - as Morton is relying on you to have read the tabloids and go on twitter and fill in the blanks with more lies there. It is nothing short of character assassination.
My mother watches the show, and I’m always - especially with this series - telling her it’s not “fact”. She’s not an issue, though - my mom doesn’t follow the Royals, she doesn’t LOVE Diana and hate Charles. She’s just watching for entertainment; she’ll talk about it while she’s watching it, but that’s about it. It’s more worrisome for people like your work colleagues and others...especially the British public, though I think those who never forgave Charles (and Camilla) don’t want to hear the truth, and those who have come around know the truth. Where it really hurts these two and the BRF is with people who don’t know anything..maybe because they’re too young. It hurts with the American public, but ...really, who cares about us? We have no dog in the show. Oh. I don’t mean it’s not aggravating, but thr British are the ones who count.

I believe either Richard Kay’s or Hugo Vicker’s articles that I posted above mention that Morgan seems to go out of his way NOT to mention any of the good, important things Charles has done (Princes Trust, etc..) or the interesting things he’s done. In other words, he’s a boring, bland, heir who’s also nasty and cruel. I wouldn’t be surprised if this show has also ignored Philip’s contributions - I think reports are that the Queen was furious that they portrayed Philip as having affairs. Morgan’s truth seems to be that the BRF is full of amoral sybarites who are useless...
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Old 11-19-2020, 08:20 AM
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Mike Tindall has watched The Crown half-way through Series 3, according to The Good, The Bad & The Rugby podcast with co-hosts Alex Payne and James Haskell. In this short segment, he mentioned that The Crown is a drama series and agree with Alex Payne that the more modern the setting/era, it's going to have more discussion. There were some banter around who will pay Mike Tindall in future series. Mike actually dropped Jason Statham's name in the conversation. He also joked that he's going to be featured in Series 62 (rather than Series 5) . There is quite a lot of joshing and fooling around.

Mike Tindall tweeted out this short clip.
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Jason Statham all day long right??? No! #Dreaming
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https://twitter.com/miketindall13/st...55008886157314
I’m not a fan of his joking around about this show when it’s causing so much pain to his family ...
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Old 11-19-2020, 08:25 AM
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I think it is ground work for the next season. You need to understand Edward is a twat to understand A royal knockout and the rest of his life as they wish to show it. Same with Andrew, you need to know that he lives for his status and position to understand everything else that they will be showing in the next season. You need to see the route to where he is now. Same with the animosity of Anne towards Diana, later Sarah, later Kate and Meghan. In general a whole establishment that was too aligned to men. They need to establish the characters of all of these so that when the 1992 season comes along they can say it was all character flaws. Overprivileged, misguided fools who are completely out of touch, in juxtaposition to Diana the saint and Charles the pathetic. And so that they can tie it back to their central story.
One of the articles I recently posted mentioned that they tried to foreshadow Andrew’s current problems by saying at some point “you’ll never change” or “if you don’t change..”.....something like that .
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Old 11-19-2020, 08:28 AM
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I’m not a fan of his joking around about this show when it’s causing so much pain to his family ...
Has the family made a atatement? The media has said (their sources have said) xyz but I dont recall any release from BP et al?

Perhaps the family is not all that focused on a fictional drama they knew would not show them in flattering terms.


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Old 11-19-2020, 08:39 AM
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Has the family made a atatement? The media has said (their sources have said) xyz but I dont recall any release from BP et al?

Perhaps the family is not all that focused on a fictional drama they knew would not show them in flattering terms.


LaRae
I doubt if they'll say anything, but I think they're probably not happy with it. It seems to be dragging up the War of the Waleses again and arousing the negative feelings towards Charles that many felt back then at the height of the "war." Charles had I think lived down those bad years and was back to "OK and accepted again" him and Camilla but in the last couple of years, I've noticed a resurgence of somewhat negative feeling towards him from some people. Im not sure why, whether the Harry affair has brought Diana back to the forefront.. when some see Harry as "Diana's son who has been cruelly treated by the RF just as Diana was." Or maybe the events of 2017 when it was the 20th anniversary of her death? I'm not sure but I think that there has been a bit of a resurgence and I'm sure that with Charles now close to taking the throne, the RF are a not going to be happy with a show which somewhat unfairly portrays them as useless and Charles as the villain of the peice... who ill treated Diana.....
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Old 11-19-2020, 10:01 AM
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I doubt if they'll say anything, but I think they're probably not happy with it. It seems to be dragging up the War of the Waleses again and arousing the negative feelings towards Charles that many felt back then at the height of the "war." Charles had I think lived down those bad years and was back to "OK and accepted again" him and Camilla but in the last couple of years, I've noticed a resurgence of somewhat negative feeling towards him from some people. Im not sure why, whether the Harry affair has brought Diana back to the forefront.. when some see Harry as "Diana's son who has been cruelly treated by the RF just as Diana was." Or maybe the events of 2017 when it was the 20th anniversary of her death? I'm not sure but I think that there has been a bit of a resurgence and I'm sure that with Charles now close to taking the throne, the RF are a not going to be happy with a show which somewhat unfairly portrays them as useless and Charles as the villain of the peice... who ill treated Diana.....

I doubt they are happy about the the show, just like they arent happy about various tabloids and badly done documentaries. Its interesting to me how there is so much upset over this series but the same ppl are not upset by the daily tabloid stories. Theres little difference.

Ppl think what they think about the Charles/Diana/Camilla situation and they formed those views long ago.


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Old 11-19-2020, 10:26 AM
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I doubt they are happy about the the show, just like they arent happy about various tabloids and badly done documentaries. Its interesting to me how there is so much upset over this series but the same ppl are not upset by the daily tabloid stories. Theres little difference.

Ppl think what they think about the Charles/Diana/Camilla situation and they formed those views long ago.


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Im not upset about it.. I gather from what I've read that its probably about 60% off beam but i kind of expect that...
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Old 11-19-2020, 12:19 PM
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One of the articles I recently posted mentioned that they tried to foreshadow Andrew’s current problems by saying at some point “you’ll never change” or “if you don’t change..”.....something like that .
There is foreshadowing (which the show milks as a matter of course) and there is clumsy, badly-done foreshadowing, which this was. I have no idea if Andrew was as bad or as worrying as his modern self at the time of the Falklands, but I'm not taking Morgan as a documentary on it, particularly when this was only done as an appeasement. If he hadn't made the sort of unequivocal condemnation of Andrew that he did — even divorcing the Queen from him supposedly being her favorite — he would have faced very inconvenient outrage for the entire show.

The RF are upset because this is not a tabloid article; it's the most expensive program ever made. It has heft. It has reach. It has worldwide positive critical reviews. It's not badly-acted or as a drama, just possibly harmful to the people involved.
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Old 11-19-2020, 01:06 PM
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I doubt if they'll say anything, but I think they're probably not happy with it. It seems to be dragging up the War of the Waleses again and arousing the negative feelings towards Charles that many felt back then at the height of the "war." Charles had I think lived down those bad years and was back to "OK and accepted again" him and Camilla but in the last couple of years, I've noticed a resurgence of somewhat negative feeling towards him from some people. Im not sure why, whether the Harry affair has brought Diana back to the forefront.. when some see Harry as "Diana's son who has been cruelly treated by the RF just as Diana was." Or maybe the events of 2017 when it was the 20th anniversary of her death? I'm not sure but I think that there has been a bit of a resurgence and I'm sure that with Charles now close to taking the throne, the RF are a not going to be happy with a show which somewhat unfairly portrays them as useless and Charles as the villain of the peice... who ill treated Diana.....
Maybe it's from point of view, but most of the attacks I have seen on Charles and Camilla in recent two years come from the Harry and Meghan fan base, and those who generally support them because they feel Meghan has been treated unfairly and was not protected by the royal family. This has surged up Diana (which Harry and Meghan has very kindly helped perpetuate ) and her treatment.
Which is funny because Harry himself has once spoken very highly of Camilla and that they all love her.
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Old 11-19-2020, 01:44 PM
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Whilst we don't know what went on behind the scenes, Andrew was a big national hero at the time of the Falklands. It was very, very big news when he came home. Crowds of screaming girls used to go to his public engagements, as if he were the lead singer of the latest boy band.
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Now that I've watched a few more episodes, I believe I can give this season a bit more of a favorable review. Discounting all the Diana/Charles saga which I believe was overblown to insinuate bad prince/good princess, once the season got into actually focusing on other subjects such as Thatcher's "Iron Lady" role and its effects on Britain and the Commonwealth's stance on apartheid, it actually got interesting.

I especially thought the episode centering around Michael Fagan was well done as it delved into just what upset the man so seriously that he ended up sitting on the Queen's bed talking with her.

One more episode and I've completed the season.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/a...4-netflix.html

Oh my! The Fagan story was made up! This is what is wrong with this series, the inaccuracies! Please read the NYT article which corrects the historical inaccuracies in each episode.
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Have only watched the first two episodes and doubt I will watch anymore. The production values are wonderful, Olivia Colman is much better in this series, Charles and Phillip I find painful to watch, not acted very well. Gillian Anderson is a wonderful actress. But if I have to see Helena Bonham Carter for another instant, she gets far too much screen time.
And, They just make it so sad. If you watch the real engagement interview of Diana and Charles, their body language was very loving.
Also, although I do believe the young woman playing Diana has done a really wonderful job, her voice is perfect, she overdoes the mannerisms, the clothes are very good, she just isn't convincing. Say what you want about Diana's character, but from the very beginning Diana was luminous and charismatic and graceful. I guess it is always impossible to capture the allure of such women, Marilyn, P.Grace, etc.
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Old 11-19-2020, 03:29 PM
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There is foreshadowing (which the show milks as a matter of course) and there is clumsy, badly-done foreshadowing, which this was. I have no idea if Andrew was as bad or as worrying as his modern self at the time of the Falklands, but I'm not taking Morgan as a documentary on it, particularly when this was only done as an appeasement. If he hadn't made the sort of unequivocal condemnation of Andrew that he did — even divorcing the Queen from him supposedly being her favorite — he would have faced very inconvenient outrage for the entire show.

The RF are upset because this is not a tabloid article; it's the most expensive program ever made. It has heft. It has reach. It has worldwide positive critical reviews. It's not badly-acted or as a drama, just possibly harmful to the people involved.
They should be upset.. Morgan doesn’t care about the truth, he cares about his version of it; if it hurts people, that’s their problem. I’m livid.
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Old 11-19-2020, 03:32 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/a...4-netflix.html

Oh my! The Fagan story was made up! This is what is wrong with this series, the inaccuracies! Please read the NYT article which corrects the historical inaccuracies in each episode.
The Fagan story may have been fictionalized in order to draw it out for an entire episode but the point is that they actually focused on something that, at the time, was deeply affecting the British people and used Fagan to illustrate that.

I believe it would have made for a far better program if the writers had stuck to the title "The Crown" and focused on the life and times that surrounded the British royal family as representatives of the crown rather than focusing on their personal lives so much. I just keep thinking back to the first season and episodes and the wonderful job John Lithgow did in portraying Winston Churchill.

As the series evolved, it turned more into a family soap opera where the foibles, scandals and the mistakes took precedence over presenting the meat and potatoes of what "The Crown" actually represented at the time.
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Old 11-19-2020, 03:36 PM
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Maybe it's from point of view, but most of the attacks I have seen on Charles and Camilla in recent two years come from the Harry and Meghan fan base, and those who generally support them because they feel Meghan has been treated unfairly and was not protected by the royal family. This has surged up Diana (which Harry and Meghan has very kindly helped perpetuate ) and her treatment.
Which is funny because Harry himself has once spoken very highly of Camilla and that they all love her.
The attacks I’ve seen have been in Twitter, and for me it has nor been limited to H and M stans, but those who adored Diana. There are a lot of people out there who think Charles, Camilla and the BRF are vile creatures. Of course, the on-line community is a drop in the bucket compared to the general public - I don’t think people on social media necessarily represent the public as a whole. I think angry people are the ones who reaction tweet most often, the same way it’s angry people who most often call in to radio talk shows. People who hate Charles/Camilla will want to express their feelings, especially in reaction to positive tweets. Those who already love them or feel positive about them won’t necessarily feel that same urge to express themselves. Hence reaction on social media is going to be unbalanced - in favor of the haters
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The attacks I’ve seen have been in Twitter, and for me it has nor been limited to H and M stans, but those who adored Diana. There are a lot of people out there who think Charles, Camilla and the BRF are vile creatures. Of course, the on-line community is a drop in the bucket compared to the general public - I don’t think people on social media necessarily represent the public as a whole. I think angry people are the ones who reaction tweet most often, the same way it’s angry people who most often call in to radio talk shows. People who hate Charles/Camilla will want to express their feelings, especially in reaction to positive tweets. Those who already love them or feel positive about them won’t necessarily feel that same urge to express themselves. Hence reaction on social media is going to be unbalanced - in favor of the haters
Exactly, I read a lot of republican/anti-monarchist tweet under major news account, some of them let's face it are from the Sussex Squad or Diana superfans. They may make the most noises, but they do not reflect British public view.

Here is a screenshot of a viewer's letter to the Telegraph editor. I know that The Telegraph on most occasion are pro-monarchy and right-leaning libertarian.
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