Orders & Sashes

[Bryce]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Is the Princess Royal the only one Lady who wears the Garter sash ?
before her Princess Margaret ? the former Princess Royal ??
Never Kent or Gloucester Princesses ?

For members of her family, HM seems to favour the Garter for only direct members of the family (i.e. of the Blood Royal) rather than those who have married into the British Royal family (such as the Duchesses of Gloucester, Kent and the Countess of Wessex) who usually progress through the ranks of The Royal Victorian Order instead.

I do not know if this is her preference or tradition. Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother) we Ladies of the Garter but only due to their elevation to consort.

Neither Princess Mary, Princess Royal (daughter of King George V and Queen Mary) or HM's sister Princess Margaret were Ladies of the Garter.

Princess (Queen) Beatrix and Queen Margrethe of Denmark are current Stranger Ladies of the Garter.

There is currently only one non-royal Lady of the Garter,
Elizabeth Lydia "Eliza" Manningham-Buller, Baroness Manningham-Buller.

The late Mary Soames, Baroness Soames (youngest child of Winston Churchill ) and Margaret Thatcher were also Ladies of the Garter.

[Bryce]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

The Order of Merit is around his neck and the stars would be British Empire and Thistle?

Does he not wear his Garter star with a foreign order?

Dear Rudolph

You are correct that Prince Philip wore the Order of Merit as a neck badge but I think that the stars being worn were the Order of Charles III and his Garter Star.

[Iain]

Originally Posted by RoyalistRiley

Why would they wear the Thistle instead of the Garter sash? Shouldn't it only have precedence in Scotland as the Garter is the more senior order nationwide?

The Order of the Garter only has precedence in England, not the throughout the UK.

[Mirko II]

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[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Iain

The Order of the Garter only has precedence in England, not the throughout the UK.

Are you sure about that ?

[rob2008]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Are you sure about that ?

Garter is the highest order. When they go up there, Philip, Charles, Anne and William do not shift the "KG, KT" after their name to "KT, KG"

[Mbruno]

Orders of Australia

Like in Canada, the honours system in Australia includes both novel national Australian orders and UK/Commonwealth orders in the personal gift of the Sovereign. The national Australian orders properly do not currently confer knighthood although a grade of Knight/Dame of the Order of Australia (with the right to the use of the prefix Sir/Dame) was actively awarded between 1976 and 1983 and, most recently, in 2014-2015. Furthermore, unlike Canada, Australia still recognizes orders in the personal gift of the Sovereign that confer knighthood or grades within orders in the personal gift of the Sovereign that confer knighthood.


The current order of precedence for national Australian orders and UK/Commonwealth orders that are officially recognized in Australia is as follows (with the corresponding post-nominal letters on the left, Commowealth orders indicated in italics, and orders or grades that confer knighthood marked by an asterisk):

• *KG/LG: Knight/Lady Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter
• *KT/LT: Knight/Lady Companion of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle
• OM: Member of the Order of Merit
• *AK/AD: Knight/Dame of the Order of Australia (currently dormant)
• *GCVO: Knight/Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order
• AC: Companion of the Order of Australia
• *KCVO/DCVO: Knight/Dame Commander of the Royal Victorian Order
• AO: Officer of the Order of Australia
• CVO: Commander of the Royal Victorian Order
• AM: Member of the Order of Australia
• LVO: Lieutenant of the Royal Victorian Order
• MVO: Member of the Royal Victorian Order

As in Canada, the Order of the Bath, the Order of St Michael and St George, and the Order of the British Empire are now considered foreign orders in Australia, even though there are living Australian citizens who hold those orders.

[Mbruno]

Orders of Canada

Canada has its own system of orders of merit, which includes both orders in the personal gift of the Sovereign that are also awarded in the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth countries, and other novel national Canadian orders. In the case of Commonwealth orders, however, only grades that do not confer knighthood are awarded in Canada and, likewise, no national Canadian order confers knighthood.

New Canadian orders are always created by the Queen, as the Sovereign of the order, by Letters Patent under the Great Seal of Canada and the Royal Sign Manual, but are locally administered by the Governor General as Chancellor of the order. A category of Extra Companion now applies to members of the British Royal Family and also applies to former Governors General and their spouses; foreign citizens may be also appointed honorary companions, officers or members.

The precedence of the grades in the different national and Commonwealth orders currently awarded in Canada is as follows (with the corresponding post-nominal letters on the left column and Commonwealth orders indicated in italics):

• OM: Member of the Order of Merit
• CC: Companion of the Order of Canada
• OC: Officer of the Order of Canada
• CM: Member of the Order of Canada
• CMM: Commander of the Order of Military Merit
• COM: Commander of the Order of Merit of the Police Forces
• CVO: Commander of the Royal Victorian Order
• OMM: Officer of the Order of Military Merit
• OOM: Officer of the Order of Merit of the Police Forces
• LVO: Lieutenant of the Royal Victorian Order
• MMM:Member of the Order of Military Merit
• MOM: Member of the Order of Merit of the Police Forces
• MVO: Member of the Royal Victorian Order

All UK orders other than the Order of Merit and the lower grades of the Royal Victorian Order that do not confer knighthood are now considered foreign orders in Canada and, as far as I understand, wearing them in Canada requires prior approval of the Canadian government.


Provincial Orders

Moreover, the different provinces of Canada also award their own orders of merit. Contrary to the national orders, however, the provincial orders are established directly by the respective Lieutenant Governor on the advice of the provincial government or by law passed by the respective Legislative Assembly. Provincial orders, therefore, rank lower than all national royal orders created by Letters Patent under the Royal Sign Manual.

As of today, precedence in the use of post-nominal letters of provincial orders is determined by chronological order of establishment of order. If an order has more than one grade, as in the case of the Ordre National du Québec, precedence is accorded to the higher grades over the lower ones. The current table of precedence, with the corresponding post-nominal letters on the left, is as follows:

• GOQ: Grand officier de l'Ordre national du Québec
• OQ: Officier de l'Ordre national du Québec
• CQ: Chevalier de l'Ordre national du Québec
• SOM: Saskatchewan Order of Merit
• OOnt: Order of Ontario
• OBC: Order of British Columbia
• AOE: Alberta Order of Excellence
• OPEI: Order of Prince Edward Island
• OM: Order of Manitoba
• ONB: Order of New Brunswick
• ONS: Order of Nova Scotia
• ONL: Order of Newfoundland and Labrador

[Alison H]

Is anyone au fait with Spanish Orders? I gather that the city/region of Madrid has its own Order, the Order of the Dos de Mayo, which comes with a sash and a Grand Cross. I haven't come across a European city having its own order, as opposed to a national order, before, and am quite interested in this - are there any more?

[maria-olivia]

The late french President received Orders ans Sashes.
Too me they have to go back to the Orders ? Am I right ?

[Mbruno]

Which orders awarded by European monarchs have a collar (metallic chain) that is still worn in special occasions as insignia?


Here is a list of the ones I can remember (or whose collars I have already seen)



Denmark

• Order of the Elephant

Norway

• Order of St Olav

Spain

• Order of the Golden Fleece
• Order of Charles III
• Order of Isabella the Catholic
• Order of Civil Merit

Sweden

• Order of the Seraphim
• Order of the Polar Star

United Kingdom

• Order of the Garter
• Order of the Thistle
• Order of the Bath
• Order of St Michael and St George
• Order of the British Empire

[Blog Real]

I add here the orders from Belgium and the Netherlands (I don't know if you have a leash).
Netherlands:

• Order of the Netherlands Lion
• Order of Orange-Nassau
• Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau
• Order of the House of Orange
• Order of the Crown

Belgium

• Order of Leopold
• Order of the African Star
• Royal Order of the Lion
• Order of the Crown
• Order of Leopold II

[maria-olivia]

Thanka Blog Royal but the two African Orders are not of use anymore for the Belgians:
You are right We have Civil and Military Decorations from
The Order of Leopold : purple color
The Order of the Crown : Red color
The Order of Leopold II : blue color

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Thanka Blog Royal but the two African Orders are not of use anymore for the Belgians:
You are right We have Civil and Military Decorations from
The Order of Leopold : purple color
The Order of the Crown : Red color
The Order of Leopold II : blue color

Thanks.

I believe, however, that the Belgian and Dutch orders don't have collars, which was the topic of my original post.

[maria-olivia]

Belgium don't have a Collar.

[Mbruno]

Chronology of some of the most illustrious orders (non-exhaustive list; orders still awarded by reigning monarchs are shown in boldface)

• 1048: Order of St. John of Jerusalem (Holy Land)
• 1099: Order of the Holy Sepulchre (Holy Land. officially constituted in the Kingdom of Jerusalem in 1103)
• 1146: Order of Aviz (Portugal)
• 1164: Order of Calatrava (Spain)
• 1167: Order of Alcantara (Spain)
• 1170: Order of Santiago (Spain)
• 1172: Order of Saint James of the Sword (Portugal)
• 1317: Order of Montesa (Spain)
• 1319: Order of Christ (Portugal)
• 1348: Order of the Garter (England)
• 1362: Order of the Most Holy Annunciation (Savoy; later a national order of the Kingdom of Italy; now House of Savoy)
• 1430: Order of the Golden Fleece (Burgundy; dynastic order of Spain since 1516)
• 1459: Order of the Tower and Sword (Portugal)
• 1469: Order of Saint Michael (France)
• 1469: Order of Saint George (House of Habsburg)
• 1578: Order of the Holy Spirit (France)
• 1668: Order of the Starry Cross (House of Habsburg)
• 1671: Order of the Dannebrog (Denmark)
• 1687: Order of the Thistle (Scotland)
• 1693: Order of the Elephant (Denmark)
• 1694: Order of St Louis (France)
• 1698: Order of St. Andrew (Russia)
• 1705: Order of the White Eagle (Poland)
• 1725: Order of the Bath (Great Britain)
• 1748: Order of the Seraphim (Sweden)
• 1748: Order of the Sword (Sweden; dormant)
• 1748: Order of the Polar Star (Sweden)
• 1764: Order of St Stephen (Hungary)
• 1769: Order of St. George the Triumphant (Russia)
• 1771: Order of Carlos III (Spain)
• 1772: Order of Vasa (Sweden, dormant)
• 1783: Order of St Patrick (Ireland, no longer awarded)
• 1792: Order of Queen Maria Luisa (Spain, dormant)
• 1811: Order of Charles XIII (Sweden)
• 1815: Order of Isabella the Catholic (Spain)
• 1815: Military Willem Order (the Netherlands)
• 1815: Order of the Netherlands Lion (the Netherlands)
• 1818: Order of St Michael and St George (United Kingdom)
• 1822: Order of the Southern Cross (Brazil)
• 1832: Order of Leopold (Belgium)
• 1847: Order of St Olav (Norway)
• 1858: Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau (Luxembourg)
• 1892: Order of Orange-Nassau (the Netherlands)
• 1896: Royal Victorian Order (United Kingdom)
• 1897: Order of the Crown (Congo Free State; Belgian order since 1908)
• 1898: Imperial Austrian Order of Elizabeth (Austria-Hungary. now House of Habsburg)
• 1900: Order of Leopold II (Congo Free State; Belgian order since 1908)
• 1905: Order of the House of Orange (the Netherlands; reorganized in 1969)
• 1916: Order of Michael the Brave (Romania)
• 1917: Order of the British Empire (United Kingdom)
• 1967: Order of Canada (established by Queen Elizabeth II as Queen of Canada)
• 1975: Order of Australia (established by Queen Elizabeth II as Queen of Australia)
• 1996: New Zealand Order of Merit (established by Queen Elizabeth II as Queen of New Zealand)

[Mbruno]

The following royal or dynastic orders (usually the highest or most prestigious in their respective countries) are awarded in a single grade of knight/lady or member by reigning monarchs (in chronological order):



Order of the Garter
Order of the Golden Fleece

Order of the Thistle
Order of the Elephant
Order of the Seraphim

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

The late french President received Orders ans Sashes.
Too me they have to go back to the Orders ? Am I right ?

I believe it depends on the regulations of each individual order. Collars like the collar of the Order of the Golden Fleece have to be returned to the order after the demise of a knight or member (as they are numbered and valuable, being made of precious metals), but, in general, other insignia like sashes, stars and badges may be kept by the family of the deceased. Can anybody else please confirm?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Belgium don't have a Collar.

There are collars of the Leopoldsorde but after Baudouin the Kings stopped the use of it:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rtius_Luik.jpg


The King wore a collar on his wedding day with Doña Fabiola de Mora y Aragón, that does not look alike the Leopoldsorde. I think the collar of the Orden Isabel la Católica.
https://gisterennogvandaag.files.wor...a.14.jpg?w=576


King Willem I (Sovereign over the three Benelux states) was given designs for collars for Orders for the new kingdom. But the King preferred simplicity and found the designs too ostentatious.

[maria-olivia]

Yes King Baudoin wore the Collar of the Order Isabella la Catolica on his Wedding Day.

[maria-olivia]

The Belgian Kings are Member of the Austrian Order of the Golden Fleece.
King Albert II received the Spanish Order from King Juan Carlos during his State Visit.
They never wear the Order ??