The Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein Controversy 2010-2023

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by sliver_bic

Unless we get confirmation, mind you there were claims that there were cameras in Epstein's house, they won't do anything but he has to speak. He has to deny it.

Have you considered that perhaps he can't deny it?

I believe he should keep his mouth shut, resign his post "for personal reasons"- and lie low for a time, until the flap dies down.

(I also think he should shake loose of Sarah once and for all, and avoid any more questionable company! I truly think he mostly got so deeply entangled with Epstein because he was trying to help her, but she can't be helped, and she'll just drag him down with her!)

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Have you considered that perhaps he can't deny it?

I believe he should keep his mouth shut, resign his post "for personal reasons"- and lie low for a time, until the flap dies down.

(I also think he should shake loose of Sarah once and for all, and avoid any more questionable company! I truly think he mostly got so deeply entangled with Epstein because he was trying to help her, but she can't be helped, and she'll just drag him down with her!)

Mirabel, at this point, I think that the pair of them are drowning each other.

[muriel]

David Cameron 'has full confidence in Duke of York' - Telegraph


David Cameron 'has full confidence in Duke of York'

David Cameron still has "full confidence" in the Duke of York as trade envoy, Downing Street insisted today, despite reports that his position is under review

[sliver_bic]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Have you considered that perhaps he can't deny it?

I believe he should keep his mouth shut, resign his post "for personal reasons"- and lie low for a time, until the flap dies down.

(I also think he should shake loose of Sarah once and for all, and avoid any more questionable company! I truly think he mostly got so deeply entangled with Epstein because he was trying to help her, but she can't be helped, and she'll just drag him down with her!)

Sorry, I didn't make that clearer in my last post. When I wrote about him not responding, I didn't mention it being because he was guilty of something, this his life in the UK being hell after that.

He can't resign, especially if he has done something. Diplomatic immunity saves him from being questioned.

He's been friends with Epstein for years. Also, he could've done that privately, that he let himself get photographed in public is his own doing.

[muriel]

Duchess of York admits Duke arranged for convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to pay off her debts - Telegraph

Duchess of York admits Duke arranged for convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to pay off her debts

The Duchess of York has admitted that her former husband arranged for a convicted paedophile to pay off her debts

[MRSJ]

Originally Posted by muriel

Duchess of York admits Duke arranged for convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to pay off her debts - Telegraph

Duchess of York admits Duke arranged for convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to pay off her debts

The Duchess of York has admitted that her former husband arranged for a convicted paedophile to pay off her debts

Seems to be she is trying to take the fall as it be (put the blame on herself) but actually I think it sounds worse for Andrew.... She seems to be implying he arranged payment of her debts and she wasn't sure where it all came from ..... Not sure she helped anyone with this interview...

[muriel]

BBC News - Cameron backs Prince Andrew in trade envoy row

Cameron backs Prince Andrew in trade envoy row

Prince Andrew has been in the role since 2001


David Cameron has given his full backing to the Duke of York in his role as a UK trade envoy, hours after No 10 sources questioned the prince's future.
The prime minister's spokesman said there was no review of his post and Mr Cameron had "full confidence" in him.
Prince Andrew has been criticised over his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender and financier.
Downing Street sources had told the BBC the prince might have to step down if any more damaging revelations emerged.
Mr Cameron's official spokesman said: "We fully support Prince Andrew in his role as trade envoy. Our position is very clear. There is no review of his role."

[Duchessmary]

If this guy is a convicted pedophile, why is he not in jail???? Did I miss something? How did he get so rich?

Something just doesn't sound right.

[Duke of Marmalade]

... and know that this was a gigantic error of judgment on my behalf.

How often have we heard exactly this statement from Sarah? Countless times, she sounds like a broken record. I dont mind people making mistakes but you should learn from them at some point and she doesnt. Not only that she doesnt but she is almost showing off, like, oh, another error of judgement, who will clean it up this time?

Back to Andrew - he will never break with Sarah because they are two of a kind. They deserve each other and are both ruthless, arrogant and greedy people. There are so many examples to support this judgement I dont even want to get started. If they do indeed go down together I dont mind. They have already brought the BRF into disrespect too often and if Andrew wasnt protected by the fact that he is a core member of the BRF he would have been neutralized a long time ago. Its time now.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Prince Andrew: David Cameron pledges full support in Jeffrey Epstein paedophile row | Mail Online

IMO its the all too common case of "I scratch your bag, you scratch mine". Who knows what goes on behind the scenes and who knows whose secrets. The dirty game of politics, this time involving royalty, whats new.

But fact is, people will get even more annoyed. They cant get rid of politicians, but they can get rid of royalty. Watch out, Airmiles Andy, your Mummy wont be there for the rest of your life to protect you.

[NotAPretender]

Originally Posted by Duchessmary

If this guy is a convicted pedophile, why is he not in jail???? Did I miss something? How did he get so rich?

Something just doesn't sound right.

He served 13 months of an 18 month sentence, as part of a plea deal. Another part of that deal is that he could not be prosecuted for any other crimes that may have taken place in Florida. However - shipping anyone (underage or not) across state lines or internationally for "immoral" purposes falls outside of that part of the plea bargain. So, all bets are off now and this could bring down a whole new host of charges.

Are you suggesting that he really isn't a convicted pedophile, because he is not currently in jail?

[Jaya]

Originally Posted by muriel

Duchess of York admits Duke arranged for convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to pay off her debts - Telegraph

Duchess of York admits Duke arranged for convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to pay off her debts

The Duchess of York has admitted that her former husband arranged for a convicted paedophile to pay off her debts

Ye Gods, is there nothing people will not do for money?With all his own problems , enter Sarah. These two are a soap opera.They deserve each other.

[muriel]

I have never been a supporter of the Yorks (and that pretty much includes all of them), but it just seems like a witch hunt now for Andrew's skin. In his defence, I suspect Andrew has known Epstein for some time now, and probably long befiore the paedophia came out. How does that, in any way, impact his abiolity to be trade ambassador?

[dbarn67]

Prince to have British trade role downgraded: report - Yahoo! News

[MissJanet]

I feel so sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. How embarrassing it must be to have a father who befriends a convicted paedophile. What kind of father does that? And their mother takes money from that paedophile, how much greed, stupidity and bad judgement is needed from both Andrew and Fergie to sink that low?

The poor young women probably know by now that their parents are the oposite of noble, but this situation takes the cake.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by muriel

I have never been a supporter of the Yorks (and that pretty much includes all of them), but it just seems like a witch hunt now for Andrew's skin. In his defence, I suspect Andrew has known Epstein for some time now, and probably long befiore the paedophia came out. How does that, in any way, impact his abiolity to be trade ambassador?

Being associated with paedophilia does and must have have an impact on any official business a public person does, let alone the son of QEII. Mingling with shady people of all kind, this time its a paedophile, before that it was people close to dictatorship, whats next, speaks volumes and not for the good of the country Andrew is supposed to be serving.

The paedophile story is only adding up to long, long line of failures or shady occasions, inappropriate behaviour (see articles) and a self-concept of being above the common people or even the law, paired with immunity to critizism.

BBC News - Prince Andrew: Envoy career plagued with controversy
Prince Andrew and Fergie deserve each other. They should get married again – Telegraph Blogs

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

Being associated with paedophilia does and must have have an impact on any official business a public person does, let alone the son of QEII. Mingling with shady people of all kind, this time its a paedophile, before that it was people close to dictatorship, whats next, speaks volumes and not for the good of the country Andrew is supposed to be serving.

The paedophile story is only adding up to long, long line of failures or shady occasions, inappropriate behaviour (see articles) and a self-concept of being above the common people or even the law, paired with immunity to critizism.

BBC News - Prince Andrew: Envoy career plagued with controversy
Prince Andrew and Fergie deserve each other. They should get married again – Telegraph Blogs

Surely you are not suggesting that Andrew knowingly befriended a paedophile? You cannot always guarantee that you will know everything about your friends, can you?

[rmay286]

Originally Posted by Jaya

Ye Gods, is there nothing people will not do for money?With all his own problems , enter Sarah. These two are a soap opera.They deserve each other.

Sarah should not have spoken up. She's clearly trying to take all the blame herself, but she just ends up sounding desperate to protect Andrew, while admitting that his office arranged for Epstein to clear her debts.

I don't see why Sarah should have to take the blame for this. It was made clear in the media that the Duke of York's office was taking charge of Sarah's financial affairs and working to resolve her debts. And the person photographed with Mr. Epstein was Prince Andrew, not Sarah. So in this case, I think Andrew is being unfairly protected as a member of the royal family. He made the mistake of contacting Epstein--even if he was doing it for Sarah.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by muriel

Surely you are not suggesting that Andrew knowingly befriended a paedophile? You cannot always guarantee that you will know everything about your friends, can you?

I wouldnt be surprised if he knew. I mean he has been surrounded by shady people in the past who have been well known to be shady.

Now you can say that paedophilia is a different level but I think that Andrew is simply arrogant enough to think that nothing can touch him and that the common folk should stay out of his business or is too stupid to understand his engagement and hard work for the country and value it.

His "ambassador" job was finally created by the government in order to make people believe that Andrew actually "works" and to give his lifestyle an official sense, a justification that the public has to foot his expense bills.

[Mermaid1962]

Yes. If he didn't know about Epstein's predilections when he first got to know him, he should have realized when he was in that Florida house. Pictures of naked young girls on the walls would have made any decent man wonder about his friend's interests. Creepy.

I just want to know the truth. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...phile-row.html

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

I wouldnt be surprised if he knew. I mean he has been surrounded by shady people in the past who have been well known to be shady.