Beatrice and Edoardo: Wedding Suggestions and Musings Thread

[ladongas]

Did I read that there are tunnels connecting BP and St. James?

 

[Helen.CH]

Maybe we won’t be able to see the bride arrive either. She lives at the Palace, maybe she’ll dress up there. The Chapel has not an entrance on a visible courtyard. And has just a tiny door like normal houses have. This would allow not to see Andrew at all.
IMO it couldn’t be worse than this. Lmao. Sorry to disagree with you.

Well, this scenario is of course possible and if Beatrice let's say has no objective opinion of her Dad and is angry about the bad press etc, this could be an answer.
But we can only wait& see.

 

[sophie25]

I am absolutely not an Andrew fan but I don't think the wedding plans should be made with a view to keeping him as invisible as possible. Security costs and exposure of him have been greatly reduced by using this venue but no one expects him not to be there. By all means I hope the service will be screened on the royal YouTube channel and official pictures will be released. I actually think a small intimate ceremony like this would come across well on film, totally different to the big venue weddings we are used to.

 

[JGio]

Don’t wanna even imagine Beatrice in a normal dress, over the counter dress, tiaraless or whatever. I hope her mother and sister will teach her well. But since it’s a small chapel, I foresee a small gown, only a long veil that down the aisle is thin, but keeps the overall appearance regal.

I don’t know where but I read years ago that only future sovereigns can have the red carpet at their weddings, while all other royals can have a blue one. However, it seems like a real rule that is respected also today. If anyone knows more, let me know.

I’m not happy with not seeing Andrew at all. He is the father of the bride and so far is fully supported by the RF, so we can’t pretend he doesn’t exist. I hope he will have the full role all fathers deserve. (No shade to Meghan’s case that’s very different)

Mmm. I think she’ll dress up at BP, if not at St. James. Windsor is half an hour from London, too much for a dress in a car or make up. Hope for BP like all other royal brides.

Anyway that aisle is so tight that my corridor to the bathroom is larger. Hope she took all these little details into account.........

 

[poppy7]

I think she will dress at Royal Lodge with her mother, bridesmaids etc and drive into London. I wondered about the entrance to the chapel just being that little door we saw at W and C's childrens christenings. That's a pity as it's not very nice for a wedding.

That is way way too far. Unless they literally police escort her and even then.

 

[sophie25]

Don’t wanna even imagine Beatrice in a normal dress, over the counter dress, tiaraless or whatever. I hope her mother and sister will teach her well. But since it’s a small chapel, I foresee a small gown, only a long veil that down the aisle is thin, but keeps the overall appearance regal.

I don’t know where but I read years ago that only future sovereigns can have the red carpet at their weddings, while all other royals can have a blue one. However, it seems like a real rule that is respected also today. If anyone knows more, let me know.

I’m not happy with not seeing Andrew at all. He is the father of the bride and so far is fully supported by the RF, so we can’t pretend he doesn’t exist. I hope he will have the full role all fathers deserve. (No shade to Meghan’s case that’s very different)

Mmm. I think she’ll dress up at BP, if not at St. James. Windsor is half an hour from London, too much for a dress in a car or make up. Hope for BP like all other royal brides.

Anyway that aisle is so tight that my corridor to the bathroom is larger. Hope she took all these little details into account.........

You could be right about BP being where she gets ready. Perhaps Windsor is a bit far to travel from. Lucia Beccaria, who designed Ella Windsor 's gown, gave an interview to a magazine about it and mentioned that the Queen had gave the bride and her family/attendants a suite of rooms at Windsor Castle to stay in the night before, presumably because it was too far to travel from London the next day. B does have an apartment at St. James's but it might not be big enough for the whole bridal party to get ready in.

 

[poppy7]

You could be right about BP being where she gets ready. Perhaps Windsor is a bit far to travel from. Lucia Beccaria, who designed Ella Windsor 's gown, gave an interview to a magazine about it and mentioned that the Queen had gave the bride and her family/attendants a suite of rooms at Windsor Castle to stay in the night before, presumably because it was too far to travel from London the next day. B does have an apartment at St. James's but it might not be big enough for the whole bridal party to get ready in.

For her, sister, mother and the children to be brought too. It is probably plenty big.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Beatrice will probably spend the night before and dress for her wedding at Buckingham Palace.

Either way, she will be seen on the drive down the Mall to St James Palace OR on the way back from St. James after the wedding, toward her Garden Party reception.?

 

[Denville]

Don

I’m not happy with not seeing Andrew at all. He is the father of the bride and so far is fully supported by the RF, so we can’t pretend he doesn’t exist. I hope he will have the full role all fathers deserve. (No shade to Meghan’s case that’s very different)

Mmm. I think she’ll dress up at BP, if not at St. James. Windsor is half an hour from London, too much for a dress in a car or make up. Hope for BP like all other royal brides.

Anyway that aisle is so tight that my corridor to the bathroom is larger. Hope she took all these little details into account.........

I would not say he is fully supported. They are not throwing him out, but I suspect there aere some royals who are just tolerating him... and the public will not want to see him..

 

[crm2317]

I suspect that official pictures will be released of Beatrice with her new husband and the children in the bridal party but potentially that will be it.

 

[Alison H]

A lot of middle-class weddings involve more than 100-150 guests, never mind royal weddings, but surely they'll have more people at the reception.


I wouldn't have thought that an illegitimate son could inherit a title, but titles don't officially exist in Italy any more anyway.


I hope it works for them and that it's what they want. It'd be very sad to think that their big day had been spoilt by Prince Andrew.

 

[poppy7]

A lot of middle-class weddings involve more than 100-150 guests, never mind royal weddings, but surely they'll have more people at the reception.


I wouldn't have thought that an illegitimate son could inherit a title, but titles don't officially exist in Italy any more anyway.


I hope it works for them and that it's what they want. It'd be very sad to think that their big day had been spoilt by Prince Andrew.

250 at my cousins upcoming wedding. Which I don't want to go to...But I like him.

150 people would be enough to make me sick. 50 woud be too many. Beatrice and Ed are doing it their way I am sure.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

It will be interesting to see the Chapel Royal is decorated with flowers. What is Princess Beatrices's favorite flower?

 

[duchesschicana]

^ She could use The White Rose of York or something Victoria related . She could use Orange blossoms, etc or mimic Vicroria's boquet. She used to like pink, maybe pink roses will be used

 

[Moonmaiden23]

A lot of middle-class weddings involve more than 100-150 guests, never mind royal weddings, but surely they'll have more people at the reception.


I wouldn't have thought that an illegitimate son could inherit a title, but titles don't officially exist in Italy any more anyway.


I hope it works for them and that it's what they want. It'd be very sad to think that their big day had been spoilt by Prince Andrew.

I don't think Christopher Wolf will be inheriting the "nonexistent" comital Mapelli-Mozzi title. The "nonexistent" title would be assumed by Edo's firstborn son with with Princess Beatrice, to use or not to use whether it's recognized by the Republic of Italy or in Britain or not.

 

[JGio]

I wouldn't have thought that an illegitimate son could inherit a title, but titles don't officially exist in Italy any more anyway.


I hope it works for them and that it's what they want. It'd be very sad to think that their big day had been spoilt by Prince Andrew.

[As I said before, titles in Italy still exist but are not recognized on official documents. However the site of the president of the republic sometimes refers to Italian noble people with their titles, by courtesy. Titles are not abolished, just not recognized by republican institutions. So they follow the rules in force until 1946.]

I don’t wanna think it’s all because of Andrew. I think the security bill for a different wedding would have been too high even for Prince Andrew. Or at least much under scrutiny. But it’s sad royals are required to pay for security too. When Princess Alexandra of Kent married in full pomp at the Abbey, I don’t think they complained that much. Old times haha

 

[Iluvbertie]

I can't imagine for a minute that the Queen's said they've *got* to get married in a small chapel. William and Kate are the only royal couple in nearly 25 years to have got married at Westminster Abbey, but, if Beatrice had wanted St George's, Windsor, or if she'd wanted somewhere like St Margaret's at Westminster or one of the "royal peculiar" (I love that expression!) churches, I'm sure the Queen would not have objected.

She is marrying in a royal peculiar. The Chapel Royal, like the Queen's Chapel, WA and St George's are all royal peculiars. That is why the announcement included the expression that the Queen had given her permission for the wedding to take place there.

 

[_Heather_]

I suspect that official pictures will be released of Beatrice with her new husband and the children in the bridal party but potentially that will be it.

I think you're right in that we'll see a picture of the newlyweds and a picture of the newlyweds with their bridal party. However, I suspect that we'll also see a picture of them with their families (parents, grandparents, siblings) because I get the impression that it's very important to Beatrice to have her grandparents there and I would be very surprised if the RF wouldn't encourage her to release one family portrait. I realize that Andrew would be present in that picture but regardless of the mess he's in, he's still her father and she loves him and it's her wedding day. I would even go so far as to speculate that we might get to see one picture of Edo, Bea, and Christopher. I'm not 100% sure on that but as he is becoming stepson to a relatively prominent member of the RF it's entirely possible that we'll see him in the future at the Christmas lunch, Sandringham, Trooping, etc. so a photo of the three of them might be a nice gesture and a nice way to introduce him to the public for the first time.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

IIRC the Chapel Royal is where 2/3 of the Cambridge children were christened, and I think Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor's daughter Maud were christened there too (yes, I know the families are at different ends of the BRF). It'll be nice to see a wedding there. I think some people suggested it for the Sussexes before it was announced that they were to marry at St. George's.

As for Andrew's presence, in familial terms it wouldn't be fair to "ban" him; but I do think for public terms he should keep a low profile and perhaps Sarah walk Beatrice down the aisle, but it's up to what Beatrice wants at the end of the day as it's her wedding.

 

[_Heather_]

As for Andrew's presence, in familial terms it wouldn't be fair to "ban" him; but I do think for public terms he should keep a low profile and perhaps Sarah walk Beatrice down the aisle, but it's up to what Beatrice wants at the end of the day as it's her wedding.

I can agree that he should keep a low profile. And I can agree that it wouldn't be right to ban him from his daughter's wedding celebrations. However, I don't believe that it would be right to go as far as having Sarah walk her down the aisle. I suppose maybe I could get on board with that if this were a fully televised ceremony. However, given that it will be a private ceremony that is being held in a very small space which will inevitably keep the guest list down to close family and friends only, I really believe that they will and should allow Andrew to walk his daughter down the aisle.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

I can agree that he should keep a low profile. And I can agree that it wouldn't be right to ban him from his daughter's wedding celebrations. However, I don't believe that it would be right to go as far as having Sarah walk her down the aisle. I suppose maybe I could get on board with that if this were a fully televised ceremony. However, given that it will be a private ceremony that is being held in a very small space which will inevitably keep the guest list down to close family and friends only, I really believe that they will and should allow Andrew to walk his daughter down the aisle.

Yes, hence why I said it's up to what Beatrice wants, because I know a lot of people would disagree with this due to wedding traditions.

 

[miss whirley]

IIRC the Chapel Royal is where the Cambridge children were christened, and I think Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor's children were christened there too (yes, I know the families are at different ends of the BRF). It'll be nice to see a wedding there. I think some people suggested it for the Sussexes before it was announced that they were to marry at St. George's.

As for Andrew's presence, in familial terms it wouldn't be fair to "ban" him; but I do think for public terms he should keep a low profile and perhaps Sarah walk Beatrice down the aisle, but it's up to what Beatrice wants at the end of the day as it's her wedding.

Not Charlotte.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Not Charlotte.

I knew but got distracted since I'm used to referring to the children as a trio together. But you're right, Charlotte was christened at St. Mary Magdelene's in Sandringham.

 

[sophie25]

Not Charlotte.

Or Isabella Windsor. Lord Frederick and Lady Gabriella were christened there as was Frederick's elder daughter Maud. Isabella was christened at the private chapel at Kensington Palace.

 

[tommy100]

If it isn't going to be televised (which IMO might be quite hard if the chapel is quite small and is going to be quite full) then I don't see why Andrew shouldn't walk Beatrice down the aisle. I wonder if he will travel with her or arrive quietly and separately and meet her just inside so she can be pictured arriving without him being there and making it potentially awkward.

 

[Ista]

Of course Andrew should walk her down the aisle: he's her father, even if he is an arrogant person with appalling judgment. As a public figure, he's stepped back, but this a completely private and very personal ceremony, and it's absurd to think that the family is going to pretend he doesn't exist.

 

[Somebody]

I don't think Christopher Wolf will be inheriting the "nonexistent" comital Mapelli-Mozzi title. The "nonexistent" title would be assumed by Edo's firstborn son with with Princess Beatrice, to use or not to use whether it's recognized by the Republic of Italy or in Britain or not.

Don't all (legitimate) descendants inherit the title (like in many but not all continental European countries) or is it only the firstborn son that inherits a title? And would the others just be 'Nobiles'?

 

[Somebody]

Of course Andrew should walk her down the aisle: he's her father, even if he is an arrogant person with appalling judgment. As a public figure, he's stepped back, but this a completely private and very personal ceremony, and it's absurd to think that the family is going to pretend he doesn't exist.

I fully agree. Andrew should be treated like any other father of the bride.

What they do in terms of media is a separate question but that should be secondary.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Of course Andrew should walk her down the aisle: he's her father, even if he is an arrogant person with appalling judgment. As a public figure, he's stepped back, but this a completely private and very personal ceremony, and it's absurd to think that the family is going to pretend he doesn't exist.

Ouch; I didn’t realise my post would cause this much upset. I’m not saying that the family should act as if he shouldn’t exist. I even said it would be unfair to bar him from attending, but that he should keep a low profile. So I’m not being absurd. Yes, I acknowledge that the idea of Sarah walking Beatrice down the aisle is not a popular one but I also added that Beatrice can do what she likes, obviously, as it’s her big day. I think people are taking what I wrote a little out of context.

I will add, though, that tommy100 made a good point that went over my head - as the wedding is probably not being televised, then it doesn’t matter whether Andrew has a high presence or not. I admit I forgot the wedding wasn’t being televised (or is most likely not going to be) in the midst of posting! I have a bad cold at the moment and had a headache at the time when I was posting and reading the articles about the location, so it’s easy for information to be overlooked.

 

[Ista]

Ouch; I didn’t realise my post would cause this much upset. I’m not saying that the family should act as if he shouldn’t exist. I even said it would be unfair to bar him from attending, but that he should keep a low profile. So I’m not being absurd. Yes, I acknowledge that the idea of Sarah walking Beatrice down the aisle is not a popular one but I also added that Beatrice can do what she likes, obviously, as it’s her big day. I think people are taking what I wrote a little out of context.

I will add, though, that tommy100 made a good point that went over my head - as the wedding is probably not being televised, then it doesn’t matter whether Andrew has a high presence or not. I admit I forgot the wedding wasn’t being televised (or is most likely not going to be) in the midst of posting!

My post really wasn't directed at you, Hereditary Princess, and I apologize if it seemed that way. My comments were more in reaction to this narrative that seems to be gaining traction that Andrew should be shunned by everyone, and that he should never see the light of day again. While I personally think he is a complete waste of space, he's highly unlikely to completely disappear, especially from something like his eldest daughter's wedding.

I think this very small and private wedding, with a reception inside the grounds of Buckingham Palace, seems to hit a nice middle ground.