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Thanks Muhler. Will be interesting to see what is written in the article. Hopefully one of the other Danish Board members will be able to share some info with us.
Both have previously told how they drifted apart. But now, says Prince Joachim, 41, the relationship between him and Crown Prince Frederik, 42, is "really good".
- Mine and the Crown Princes' relatioship is really good. We are good brothers to each other. The magazines who want to sell covers on made-up stories can write whatever they want. It does not affect me or the Crown Prince. What's been written now and again, is not the facts. It is that simple. None of us seems to be shaken by what is being written, says Prince Joachim to BT
Lately there's been some focus on the distance between the two brothers, when Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary told the family about her twin pregnancy - just over two months after the pregnancy was confirmed.
- Some messages you just don't give over the phone, said Prince Joachim to Ekstra Bladet, and conceded in that manner that he had not seen his brother in months.
According Trine Villemann, who has written two books on the monarchy, the two brothers, after all, still love each other.
- Joachim is royal to fingertips and know to keep family dramas within the palace walls and away from the public (the press.) He would NEVER say that he and Fred is no longer as close as they once were. NEVER! Explains Villemann in an interview with MSN Starlounge.
- It is natural that a sibling relationship changes when there are spouses, but during the marriage to Alexandra - at least the first few years - Frederik and Joachim were still very closely linked.
Let us not forget that Joachim in their childhood protected his sensitive older brother by taking the blame for some of Frederick's accident to save him from papas beating. He has always been totally loyal to Frederik. When the boys got bodyguards, he told them. "It's Frederik you must look after, for he shall be king." And then he's "rewarded" with being told the fantastic news of the twin pregnancies at the same time as the rest of the population?
Prince Joachim's divorce from Countess Alexandra coincided with Frederik and Mary's wedding and it was, according to Joachim one of the reasons that he did not include his older brother in his problems.
- And maybe my brother felt a little snubbed because I did not share it with him. But maybe it was also my way of acting, when you stand in an unknown situation and don't want to show signs of weakness. I would not bother him with it when he was in his happiest place and without the opportunity to provide experience, " says Joachim in Gitte Redder and Karin Palshøjs book "Frederik - Crown Prince of Denmark."
- I think I disappointed him a lot by not using him more, he acknowledges in the book.
According Trine Villemann Crown Princess Mary has come between Prince Joachim and Crown Prince Frederik.
- Mary has come between the brothers, it's as simple as that. She is a girl from the province - from the other side of the world, but Hobart's far from a metropolis! - And there is NOTHING wrong with that, but when you are not born as royalty and raised with all the pomp, circumstance and intrigue that goes along with that, it can be difficult when Joachim with his photographic momory and VERY royal style, makes his center of knowledge available for less well-read creatures, says Trine Villemann.
- Mary pulls Frederik away Joachim, and I feel sorry for Frederik, because I think he misses his little brother. Joachim is the one who has been closest to Frederik for most of his life, and it's a gap which Mary and the kids can not fill.
Erik Brandt, who is one of Prince Henry's closest friends, told BT that Prince Joachim and Crown Prince "is getting along, now."
- I don't comment on the Royal house out of sheer principle. But I must say that Fred has always been my darling, while Joachim has become very soft, sympathetic and humane, after he has been married to the lovely girl who Marie is," said Eric Brandt.
- I think he and Fred are feeling better and better together, but they've always had a good time together.
Isn't this the author that wrote the book on the DRF not long ago? How do those of you who are in Denmark feel about her and can you really take her word in the above article? She seems very biased against the DRF. JMHO
Isn't this the author that wrote the book on the DRF not long ago? How do those of you who are in Denmark feel about her and can you really take her word in the above article? She seems very biased against the DRF. JMHO
(2) It's the first time I've personally hear about Joachim taking the blame for Frederik. The comment by TV also indicates that Henrik more or less caned his children. There is no evidence to suggest that. He brought them up in a stern way and and he is no against spanking should it be necessary, but there is no evidence that he actually did beat Frederik and Joachim.
(8) Intrique? What intrique? Joachim is known not to be snobbish, despite his otherwise "aristocratic" demeanour.
This may be my fault. The danish wording was "klø" - which means physical punishment of some sort - sometimes in the extreme. I chose beating.
Again - this is my chosen translation. In danish she says "sang- og julelege", litterally meaning "song- and christmas games". Had she said "spil" (game) instead of leg (play) I would better understand it in danish - and translate it. And adding sang- and jule- completely screws up any meaning IMO. I took it to mean something along the lines of court-intrigue (and pomp and circumstance).
That said & done - Muhler makes some good points. I think TV is drawing on her established "sources" i.e. out-of-the-blue fantasies and make-belive fitting her own agenda. Mary is supposed to be this cold-hearted bitch who'd step over her dead mother to cause pain and hardship for most anyone, only keeping up the most superficial appearance. Driving a wedge between brothers would apparantly be her mission in life.
Can anyone determine where this attribut is?Beside that there is an attribut for the Virgin Mary, which refer to the christian name of the Princess.
We have it here: Danish Royal Watchers: Mary's new coat of armsAnd if someone could dig up Mary's crest and merge it with this post, please.
Can anyone determine where this attribut is?
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't see this attributMuhler said:No, can't see anything either.
Thanks for the additional info, you supplied.
mange tak as always Muhler for your erudite explanations. I am intrigued by the ship that I do not think has received mention, in the Donaldson (?) crest. Could this be the viking ship that the Professor mentioned in his memorable speech to his daughter on her wedding day? (there is no beery toast smiley on this board!)
Curious indeed! If I recall, there was a seafarer somewhere in the Donaldson patrimony, so perhaps the caravelle is a reference? But the caravelle was portuguese, no?Thank you.
I don't know the meaning of the ship.
It's not a viking ship though, but a caravel, from around 13-1500.
Curious indeed! If I recall, there was a seafarer somewhere in the Donaldson patrimony, so perhaps the caravelle is a reference? But the caravelle was portuguese, no?
Billed Bladet has a little more on the Christmas at Schackenborg 2010.
Summary of article in Billed Bladet #50, 2010.
Det bliver en dejlig fest - It'll be a lovely party.
Written by Ken Richter.
There will ten at the table at Schackenborg Christmas Eve:
Joachim.
Our Marie.
Bette Henrik.
Nikolai.
Felix.
QMII.
Prince Henrik.
Francoise Grassiot.
Christian Grassiot.
Peter Parkov. (Who always celebrate Christmas with the DRF).
In charge of all the dinners during Christmas at Schackenborg, will be 20 year old Rasmus Lodahl. A cook apprentise from Schackenborg Manor Inn. He is six months away from graduation.
He is not a bad cook as he is to take part in the Danish Championships for cooks apprenticies later on.
He's slightly nervous, but it's also a challenge where he is allowed to unfurl himself. "I'll admit I'm a little proud", he says.
Prince Henrik said about this Christmas: "The Family is the most important thing at Christmas and Christmas is both cosy (hyggelig) and full of traditions.
The Queen and I will naturally also go to Marselisborg Manor in Aarhus as is tradition. But we will stay for two Christmas days at our son and daughter-in-law at Schackenborg and we look very much forward to that.
For obvious reasons the CP-couple will not attend this year. They will stay at home at Amalienborg".