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Isn’t Norway richer than Denmark now because of the oil revenues? After centuries of that not being the case?
Danish State Visit to Norway: May 14 - 15, 2024
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Yes, we are!
Yes, from a little Danish puppet state to one of the richest countries on earth! Not too bad, if I may say so.
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In contrast to Sweden, where the gala dinner was only sent online, the gala dinner in Oslo will be broadcast live on Norway's largest TV Channel, NRK1. It will most likely also be broadcast on TV2 News Channel. And I'm pretty sure that there will be live links online that work outside Norway.
There will most likely also be coverage of the welcome ceremony.
But whether it will be on the scale that we saw when William and Kate were here in 2018 (when NRK and TV2 went gaga and sent for several hours on both days) remains to be seen. But unfortunately, I doubt it.
Perhaps it will be a bit more like what we saw with the Dutch state visit in 2021, that TV2 News Channel will turn live during the main events, but nothing on NRK (apart from the welcome ceremony and gala dinner).
It's not possible to get information from NRK's TV guide since NRK1 only sends news in the daytime anyway! Same with TV2 News Channel.
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Regarding the countries being more alike that different: the three Scandinavian monarchies' scores on Hofstede's cultural dimensions: https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison-tool?countries=denmark,norway,sweden
Indeed very much alike but some differences:
- Denmark has less power distance than Norway and Sweden (so the most egalitarian of the three) and scores a bit higher on Motivation towards Achievement and Success (but all are on the lower end - meaning they are focused on consensus over competition - with Denmark slightly more competitive).
- Norway is an exception in terms of Uncertainty Avoidance, while Denmark and Sweden score on the lower end, Norway is at the mid-point. This means that Denmark and Sweden are relatively fine with uncertainty and less in need of structure and predictability.
- Norway is also the exception in terms of Indulgence; being very close to the mid-point, while Denmark and Sweden score higher, indicating placing a stronger emphasis on leisure time, fun and enjoying life.
Indeed very much alike but some differences:
- Denmark has less power distance than Norway and Sweden (so the most egalitarian of the three) and scores a bit higher on Motivation towards Achievement and Success (but all are on the lower end - meaning they are focused on consensus over competition - with Denmark slightly more competitive).
- Norway is an exception in terms of Uncertainty Avoidance, while Denmark and Sweden score on the lower end, Norway is at the mid-point. This means that Denmark and Sweden are relatively fine with uncertainty and less in need of structure and predictability.
- Norway is also the exception in terms of Indulgence; being very close to the mid-point, while Denmark and Sweden score higher, indicating placing a stronger emphasis on leisure time, fun and enjoying life.
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The wealth comes with a prize - literally. Agricultural products are insanely pricey in Norway. Not sure how it is now, but you used to buy slices of cucumbers, not whole cucumbers.
And if we were to rent a cabin in Norway for a week we would do like the Germans who come to DK: bring most of the food ourselves.
The reason not least being that while there are plenty of fish in Norway, farmland is much scarcer.
While the links between in particular Copenhagen and Sweden are pretty tight, they are less connected to Norway. But here in Jutland there are pretty strong links to Norway (and Germany), but less so to Sweden.
I think there are quite a few similarities between Jutland and Norway, certainly in regards to work ethics. We are also more introverted than Copenhageners, so there is a similarity as well.
However, it is very true that Danes tend to be a lot more impulsive, loud and direct than both Swedes and Norwegians. Probably something to do with our hot climate...
Consensus (what Danes would call pussyfooting) is IMO very much an issue in Sweden, almost cultivated in fact. Despite what the Swedes may think about a subject for themselves, they will always try to reach a consensus.
I have often described Denmark and the Danes as a tribe or a large village where we very much have a deep village-mentality ingrained in our culture and mindset. That is even more pronounced in Norway! Even to the point that different parts of Norway can form a sub-village-culture of their own. Presumably something to do with Norway being further away from Central Europe for most of the existence of the country.
The connection between Norway and Denmark was certainly beneficial in Denmark. A number of our most renowned Danish sea-farers and naval heroes came from Norway. Because there was a considerable brain and talent drain from Norway to Denmark, for the very simple reason that if you wanted a career or even a higher education you had to go to Denmark. Some returned later on to Norway and prospered there. But back when Denmark and Norway was a dual monarchy, Denmark was an even bigger merchant nation than today (today we are the 5th largest shipping nation) so that meant work and money flowing back, also to Norway where there were considerable investments in foresting but also pre-industrical-revolution factories, because of the many opportunities for water mills to operate there.
In a sense you can say that the Norwegians (and Icelanders) provided the sailors. Denmark provided the farmers (mainly cattle actually) and shipping companies. Those from Schleswig & Holstein provided the merchants and the civil servants/administrators. While foreigners, not least the Dutch, provided the artisans and intellectual elite. And combined they made this region pretty prosperous. Albeit a bit provincial.
How about Greenland you ask? Well, the population of Greenland at the time consisted of 279 inhabitants if you counted the sleigh dogs and anyway Danes and Norwegians only returned in earnest to Greenland during the 1720s or so with the missionary Hans Egede. And as DK and Norway split in 1814 that's not that relevant in the history of the dual kingdom.
But, during the 1930s DK and Norway almost came to blows over north east Greenland.
Norway claimed it was uninhabited and wanted to claim it for Norway. Denmark claimed it was indeed inhabited, there are a dozen or so cabins with European hunters, supplied by a yearly Danish ship (during the years it could get through the ice that is). Anyway, the whole things was settled at an international court, one of the first major disputes settled in that way and Norway lost. And that is also one of the reasons why the Sirius Patrol was founded, simply to ensure Danish/Greenlandic sovereignty.
And if we were to rent a cabin in Norway for a week we would do like the Germans who come to DK: bring most of the food ourselves.
The reason not least being that while there are plenty of fish in Norway, farmland is much scarcer.
While the links between in particular Copenhagen and Sweden are pretty tight, they are less connected to Norway. But here in Jutland there are pretty strong links to Norway (and Germany), but less so to Sweden.
I think there are quite a few similarities between Jutland and Norway, certainly in regards to work ethics. We are also more introverted than Copenhageners, so there is a similarity as well.
However, it is very true that Danes tend to be a lot more impulsive, loud and direct than both Swedes and Norwegians. Probably something to do with our hot climate...
Consensus (what Danes would call pussyfooting) is IMO very much an issue in Sweden, almost cultivated in fact. Despite what the Swedes may think about a subject for themselves, they will always try to reach a consensus.
I have often described Denmark and the Danes as a tribe or a large village where we very much have a deep village-mentality ingrained in our culture and mindset. That is even more pronounced in Norway! Even to the point that different parts of Norway can form a sub-village-culture of their own. Presumably something to do with Norway being further away from Central Europe for most of the existence of the country.
The connection between Norway and Denmark was certainly beneficial in Denmark. A number of our most renowned Danish sea-farers and naval heroes came from Norway. Because there was a considerable brain and talent drain from Norway to Denmark, for the very simple reason that if you wanted a career or even a higher education you had to go to Denmark. Some returned later on to Norway and prospered there. But back when Denmark and Norway was a dual monarchy, Denmark was an even bigger merchant nation than today (today we are the 5th largest shipping nation) so that meant work and money flowing back, also to Norway where there were considerable investments in foresting but also pre-industrical-revolution factories, because of the many opportunities for water mills to operate there.
In a sense you can say that the Norwegians (and Icelanders) provided the sailors. Denmark provided the farmers (mainly cattle actually) and shipping companies. Those from Schleswig & Holstein provided the merchants and the civil servants/administrators. While foreigners, not least the Dutch, provided the artisans and intellectual elite. And combined they made this region pretty prosperous. Albeit a bit provincial.
How about Greenland you ask? Well, the population of Greenland at the time consisted of 279 inhabitants if you counted the sleigh dogs and anyway Danes and Norwegians only returned in earnest to Greenland during the 1720s or so with the missionary Hans Egede. And as DK and Norway split in 1814 that's not that relevant in the history of the dual kingdom.
But, during the 1930s DK and Norway almost came to blows over north east Greenland.
Norway claimed it was uninhabited and wanted to claim it for Norway. Denmark claimed it was indeed inhabited, there are a dozen or so cabins with European hunters, supplied by a yearly Danish ship (during the years it could get through the ice that is). Anyway, the whole things was settled at an international court, one of the first major disputes settled in that way and Norway lost. And that is also one of the reasons why the Sirius Patrol was founded, simply to ensure Danish/Greenlandic sovereignty.
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A welcome post on Instagram for the upcoming state visit
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beautiful first pic
Det Norske Kongehuset on Instagram: "Velkommen Danmark! 🇩🇰🇳🇴 På invitasjon fra det norske Kongeparet kommer Kong Frederik og Dronning Mary av Danmark på statsbesøk til Norge neste uke. Besøket er det danske kongeparets første besøk til Norge, og b
1,637 likes, 13 comments - detnorskekongehus on May 10, 2024: "Velkommen Danmark! 🇩🇰🇳🇴 På invitasjon fra det norske Kongeparet kommer Kong Frederik og Dronning Mary av Danmark på statsb...".
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beautiful first pic
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A little history posted by the Danish Embassy in Norway
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Danmarks Ambassade i Oslo on Instagram: "Relationen mellem 🇩🇰 Danmark og 🇳🇴 Norge handler om mere end blot en fælles fortid som vikinger. I dag er vi styrket i et særligt og stærkt fællesskab – både gennem vores historiske bånd – men også gennem vor
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Det Norske Kongehuset on Instagram: "🇩🇰👑🇳🇴 Det er nære bånd mellom den danske og norske kongefamilien. En relasjon som strekker seg helt tilbake til da danske prins Carl ble valgt til konge av Norge i 1905, og tok navnet Kong Haakon VII. Hans bror bl
1,180 likes, 9 comments - detnorskekongehus on May 13, 2024: "🇩🇰👑🇳🇴 Det er nære bånd mellom den danske og norske kongefamilien. En relasjon som strekker seg helt tilbake til da dansk...".
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"The Danish and Norwegian royal families are close ties. A relationship that dates back to when the Danish Prince Carl was elected King of Norway in 1905, and was named King Haakon VII. His brother became King Christian X of Denmark a few years later.
The ties have since been tight, both between the countries and the two royal families. Queen Margrethe has spent a snowy holiday in Norway, King Frederik was best man in the wedding of the Crown Prince couple and both Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit are the godfather of Denmark's Crown Prince Christian, while King Fredrik is the godfather of Princess Ingrid Alexandra.
Tomorrow, Tuesday, we are looking forward to receiving the Danish royal couple on a state visit to Norway!
"With two lovely never before pics seen from Ingrid-Alexandra's confirmation
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I approve of any pictures of Frederik in a tuxedo. LOL. How wonderful that he's maintained such a close friendship with Haakon and Mette-Marit all these years. I knew he was Haakon's best man, but I didn't realize he attended Ingrid's confirmation a few years ago, much less brought Christian with him. Did Mary go as well?
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All 3 attended. Frederik is Ingrid-Alexandra's godfather. They are very close, along with being very close with Crown Princess Victoria. The 3 couples are very close friends/family.
Per Billed Bladet, King Frederik and Queen Mary boarded the royal yacht early Monday morning and will sail the entire way to Norway. For Sweden they flew into Stockholm and then board the royal yacht. This time, they will sail on board the entire way.
Tirsdag begynder statsbesøget i Norge: Denne gang har kongeparret valgt en anden løsning
Tirsdag indleder kong Frederik og dronning Mary et statsbesøg i Norge, men de har valgt en anden transportform, end da de i sidste uge var på statsbesøg i Sverige.
And by luck, a few people caught video of the royal couple arriving at the harbor to sail out to the Dannebrog. You can see the short video here:
Se video: Kongeparret dukkede pludselig op på havnen i Hornbæk - Kun 10 mennesker opdagede det
Folk i Hornbæk spærrede øjnene op, da kongeparret mandag morgen pludselig dukkede op på havnen. Herfra blev de sejlet ud til Kongeskibet – og nu er kursen sat mod Norge, hvor der er statsbesøg de kommende dage.
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Per Billed Bladet, King Frederik and Queen Mary boarded the royal yacht early Monday morning and will sail the entire way to Norway. For Sweden they flew into Stockholm and then board the royal yacht. This time, they will sail on board the entire way.
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And by luck, a few people caught video of the royal couple arriving at the harbor to sail out to the Dannebrog. You can see the short video here:
Se video: Kongeparret dukkede pludselig op på havnen i Hornbæk - Kun 10 mennesker opdagede det
Folk i Hornbæk spærrede øjnene op, da kongeparret mandag morgen pludselig dukkede op på havnen. Herfra blev de sejlet ud til Kongeskibet – og nu er kursen sat mod Norge, hvor der er statsbesøg de kommende dage.
How nice, this time they sail from Denmark with the Dannebrog.
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NRK 1 (the national Norwegian broadcaster) will send live from the state visit from 9:30 tomorrow morning. They will most likely cover the welcome ceremony. Later they will broadcast from 19:45 from the Royal Palace in Oslo for 1 hour and 15 minutes.
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The Dannebrog has her AIS on again … since departing Hornbaek … so it’s possible to follow along.
Currently making about 11 knots and a chilly 13 degrees temperature.
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Everything is relative. We only closed our windows a couple of hours ago when the temperature began to drop below 15 C.
Otherwise they've been open all day, both at home and at work.
Otherwise they've been open all day, both at home and at work.
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Yes Muhler, not an unknown temperature here, even in Sydney, but especially for Tasmanians.
My sister’s house gets so cold down there, you can see your breath if you move to an unheated room.
Would be brisk on the decks of the Dannebrog … a vessel underway across a large expanse of water … but, would make you feel alive.
I think the couple may not realise how many people are filming them when they are aboard.
Another YouTube has been posted of the arrival the other day, and after they stood on deck for the sail in, Queen Mary went back inside while the vessel was tied up and made ready.
Someone caught her through the windows having a bit more breakfast quickly. (A few nibbles while standing.)
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Hopefully, given the status of King Frederik X as the godfather of Princess Ingrid-Alexandra would be a reason for her to participate in this state visit, just like how Prince Oscar and Princess Estelle participated in the opening ceremony of the state visit.All 3 attended. Frederik is Ingrid-Alexandra's godfather. They are very close, along with being very close with Crown Princess Victoria. The 3 couples are very close friends/family.
Per Billed Bladet, King Frederik and Queen Mary boarded the royal yacht early Monday morning and will sail the entire way to Norway. For Sweden they flew into Stockholm and then board the royal yacht. This time, they will sail on board the entire way.
Tirsdag begynder statsbesøget i Norge: Denne gang har kongeparret valgt en anden løsning
Tirsdag indleder kong Frederik og dronning Mary et statsbesøg i Norge, men de har valgt en anden transportform, end da de i sidste uge var på statsbesøg i Sverige.www.billedbladet.dk
And by luck, a few people caught video of the royal couple arriving at the harbor to sail out to the Dannebrog. You can see the short video here:
Se video: Kongeparret dukkede pludselig op på havnen i Hornbæk - Kun 10 mennesker opdagede det
Folk i Hornbæk spærrede øjnene op, da kongeparret mandag morgen pludselig dukkede op på havnen. Herfra blev de sejlet ud til Kongeskibet – og nu er kursen sat mod Norge, hvor der er statsbesøg de kommende dage.
I am looking forward for the state visit that will occur today!
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It'd be great to see IA but I think she's having her military training?
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Billed Bladet will broadcast live from Day 1
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Post from Danish Embassy in Norway
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Vi sender live fra Oslo: Dronning Mary og kong Frederik får den flotteste modtagelse på Honnørbryggen
Det bliver en fornem og meget unik oplevelse at se det danske kongepar gå i land ved Honnørbryggen i Oslo. Vi sender fra klokken 10.40 live fra den historiske modtagelse af kongeparret.
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Danmarks Ambassade i Oslo on Instagram: "👑 I dag starter statsbesøget til Norge – og her er hovedpunkter fra dagens spændende program! 👑 Statsbesøget til Norge markerer de historiske bånd og det nære naboforhold, der er mellem 🇩🇰 Danmark og 🇳🇴 Norge
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She is not mentioned at Kongehuset.no so i think she is at her military training…
The Royal Couple, The Crown Prince Couple, and Princess Astrid is listed as attending.
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Danmarks kongepar kommer til Norge på bryllupsdagen – dette skal de gjøre
20 år etter at de giftet seg, går kong Frederik og dronning Mary i land i Oslo i formiddag. De tas imot av både det norske kongeparet og kronprinsparet.
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You can watch the arrival of King Frederik X and Queen Mary live here:
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Vi sender live fra Oslo | BILLED-BLADET sender live når dronning Mary og kong Frederik får den flotteste modtagelse på Honnørbryggen i Oslo | By Billed-BladetFacebook
BILLED-BLADET sender live når dronning Mary og kong Frederik får den flotteste modtagelse på Honnørbryggen i Oslo
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Here are some galleries of day 1 today, May 14:
** gettyimages gallery ** tt.se gallery ** ppe gallery ** rex gallery ** gtresnews gallery **
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Se alle billederne: Her ankommer kongeparret til statsbesøg i Norge
Kong Frederik og dronning Mary er klar til endnu et statsbesøg – denne gang i Norge.
Fik en varm velkomst: Frederik og Mary modtog kram fra det norske kongepar
Kong Frederik og dronning Mary blev modtaget med kram, da kong Harald og dronning Sonja bød dem velkommen i Oslo.
Se alle billederne: Kong Frederik og dronning Mary ankommer til Oslo
Tirsdag indleder kongeparret et to dage langt statsbesøg i Norge
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La famille royale de Norvège sort le grand jeu pour Frederik X et Mary de Danemark
Après leur visite d’État en Suède – la première du règne –, les souverains danois sont reçus par Harald V et Sonja de Norvège les 14 et 15 mai 2024. Un accueil royal sous un soleil radieux.
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According to Billed-Bladet, when Frederik and Mary were heading up the stairs to greet Haakon and Mette-Marit, several people shouted "Happy Wedding Anniversary!" to them, which they responded to with smiles and waves. How lovely!
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On the occasion of the state visit, King Frederik X and Princess Ingrid Alexandra met in Bygdø Konsgård.
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Ooh, hopefully, that'll mean she'll come to the gala dinner tonight.
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What a great start!
Frederik and Mary visit to the President of the Storting
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the sight of the two royal ships was fantastic.
Glad Ingrid-Alexandra was able to meet with the Danish royals
Dressed from head to toe in the appropriate security gear, Their Majesties The King and Queen together with the Crown Prince of Norway visited MiNaLab this afternoon, which is part of the University of Oslo and an open laboratory for students and researchers
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Their Majesties and Their Royal Highnesses got an insight into current research in microchips as well as the potential of quantum technology and the cooperation between Norway and Denmark on the green transition
Frederik and Mary visit to the President of the Storting
Stortinget on Instagram: "Tak for besøget! 🇩🇰🇳🇴 I dag besøkte Deres Majesteter Kong Frederik og Dronning Mary av Danmark Stortinget. Besøket understreker de tette båndene mellom Danmark og Norge. I en tid med krig i vårt nabolag og demokratier under
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LIVE: Følg Kongeparrets statsbesøg i Norge - Mystik om Mette-Marit
Følger du med i statsbesøget?
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the sight of the two royal ships was fantastic.
Glad Ingrid-Alexandra was able to meet with the Danish royals
Dressed from head to toe in the appropriate security gear, Their Majesties The King and Queen together with the Crown Prince of Norway visited MiNaLab this afternoon, which is part of the University of Oslo and an open laboratory for students and researchers
NorgeTheir Majesties and Their Royal Highnesses got an insight into current research in microchips as well as the potential of quantum technology and the cooperation between Norway and Denmark on the green transition
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What a day!
It was a day that included an open car procession with our two iconic beauties.
First, King Harald and King Frederik in the jewel itself, the Buick Roadmaster Convertible 1939, which took King Haakon VII from the Quay of Honour to the Royal Palace after he returned to Norway after WWII in 1945.
And Queen Sonja and Queen Mary in the Lincoln Continental Convertible 1966, which was used by CP Harald and CP Sonja during their wedding in 1968 and by CP Haakon and CP Mette-Marit during their wedding in 2001.
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NRK1 (Norway's largest TV channel) sent live from the welcoming ceremony, wreath laying ceremony and the visit to the Storting (the parliament).
See the welcoming ceremony from 01:25:00 in this 3-hour-long video from NRK.
And here is a 2-min highlight video, also from NRK.
It was a day that included an open car procession with our two iconic beauties.
First, King Harald and King Frederik in the jewel itself, the Buick Roadmaster Convertible 1939, which took King Haakon VII from the Quay of Honour to the Royal Palace after he returned to Norway after WWII in 1945.
And Queen Sonja and Queen Mary in the Lincoln Continental Convertible 1966, which was used by CP Harald and CP Sonja during their wedding in 1968 and by CP Haakon and CP Mette-Marit during their wedding in 2001.
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NRK1 (Norway's largest TV channel) sent live from the welcoming ceremony, wreath laying ceremony and the visit to the Storting (the parliament).
See the welcoming ceremony from 01:25:00 in this 3-hour-long video from NRK.
And here is a 2-min highlight video, also from NRK.
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Photos from the gala dinner:
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Live:
Liveblog: Kong Frederik og dronning Mary til gallafest under statsbesøg i Norge
Vi giver dig alle højdepunkterne fra den flotte gallafest, der afholdes på det norske kongeslot den 14. maj.
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