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Old 10-08-2005, 08:32 PM
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The Coronation ceremony is an ancient one which will continue for the British monarchy. The Crown is still supreme in the UK in tradition, although in law exercised by the will of Parliament as a constitutional monarchy, and the ceremony symbolizes the eternal succession of Sovereigns, both as Head of the Church and Head of State.
I totally agree branchg, but other monarchies with equally ancient coronation traditions have given them up and Tony Blair is cutting out a lot of other revered traditions of the British monarchy. The House of Windsor is being criticized for being too expensive, too grand, and is being unfavorably compared to the simpler, more modernistic royal houses on the continent.

That having been said, I hope they don't cut out the coronation.
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Old 10-08-2005, 09:24 PM
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I love the coronation and the regality of the British Monarchy. That is one of the reasons the British Monarchy is so famous and others are not. The others are boring. This is much more fun. I hate how Tony Blair is cutting down on traditions. Coronations are handled by the Church and Soverign and done on a tradition. There is no legal need for a coronation. It could eaisly be scrapped without any consequence. Charles has finalized his coronation plans. It has some new aspects of it. It reflects Britians multi culturism and multi religious society more. Charles modernized the coronation ceremony a bit by adding rather than taking away which is nice. I also think Camilla will be Queen and be Crowned. It will just take a while for people to realize its stupid to put so much energy in making the royal familys life so hard. Hopefully after Camilla is accepted the tabloids and people will be less intrested in scandal and the monarchy will be more loved. I think people are getting tired of scandal. I know I am. Acceptence makes life easier and less stressfull.
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Old 10-08-2005, 10:46 PM
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I hope that Queen Elizabeth stays alive for 20 more years and then on her death bed she tells charles that he will not reign and then give the power to Prince William even though I don't think that this will happen. It would be interesting if it did.:)
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Old 10-08-2005, 10:54 PM
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I hope that Queen Elizabeth stays alive for 20 more years and then on her death bed she tells charles that he will not reign and then give the power to Prince William even though I don't think that this will happen. It would be interesting if it did.:)

Could you tell me when the power to choose her successor was given to the Queen? My understanding is that she has no say over who her successor is. It is her eldest son followed by his eldest son etc.
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:51 PM
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Why do you want william to be King and not Charles. Is it because Charles years of many charity work and utter devotion to his work and country are not good enough but Williams good looks are. Crazy people. I hope William has as many years of not being King as Charles has so he could have as long of a normal life as possible. Have some sense people.
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Old 10-08-2005, 11:58 PM
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I hope that Queen Elizabeth stays alive for 20 more years and then on her death bed she tells charles that he will not reign and then give the power to Prince William even though I don't think that this will happen. It would be interesting if it did.:)
It doesn't matter what she says - she could say that the crown should go to the Invisible Pink Unicorn, but that doesn't make it so. It isn't up to a monarch to pick and choose his/her successor in the UK; that hasn't been done for hundreds of years, and it isn't going to be revived just because people want to see Diana's son knock his father out of the line of succession.
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Old 10-09-2005, 12:31 AM
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I hope that Queen Elizabeth stays alive for 20 more years and then on her death bed she tells charles that he will not reign and then give the power to Prince William even though I don't think that this will happen. It would be interesting if it did.:)
Well, I like your idea, but it will never happen. The Queen cannot interrupt the line of succession even if she wished to. I wish the Queen to live for many more years and for William to get up into his late 30's. Then William may succeed the Queen. We don't know what the future holds. William is the hope of the monarchy.
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:35 AM
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How is William the hope of the monarchy. We barely now him and he has barely done any charitable work. Is it because he is handsome. So if he balds in a couple of years will he still be the "hope of the monarchy". We dont need a young inexperineced monarch. We dont need inexperienced naive royals at all anymore. Too much trouble. William does not want to be king for a while so just stop wishing for him to be king. If he were to become king right now he would probably be the worst king in ages. He has no idea what to do. Charles will most likely be a great king. He has been training to be king for 50 years. That has to accumulate to something. Charles is a modern man and reflects modern britian. Charles deserves to be king and should be given that respect. He has worked way to hard. I want some thorough reasons as to why he should not be king.
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:44 AM
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How is William the hope of the monarchy. We barely now him and he has barely done any charitable work. Is it because he is handsome. So if he balds in a couple of years will he still be the "hope of the monarchy". We dont need a young inexperineced monarch. We dont need inexperienced naive royals at all anymore. Too much trouble. William does not want to be king for a while so just stop wishing for him to be king. If he were to become king right now he would probably be the worst king in ages. He has no idea what to do. Charles will most likely be a great king. He has been training to be king for 50 years. That has to accumulate to something. Charles is a modern man and reflects modern britian. Charles deserves to be king and should be given that respect. He has worked way to hard. I want some thorough reasons as to why he should not be king.
I am not shallow to pick a king based on his looks number one. Number two, while William has much to learn, I think he is a better human being and more caring than his father. I believe William can successfully merge royalty with the caring mode like his mother did. William is also more intelligent than his father, his grades and degree prove this. William also has the benefit of learning from his father's numerous errors.
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:57 AM
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I am not shallow to pick a king based on his looks number one. Number two, while William has much to learn, I think he is a better human being and more caring than his father. I believe William can successfully merge royalty with the caring mode like his mother did. William is also more intelligent than his father, his grades and degree prove this. William also has the benefit of learning from his father's numerous errors. From Tiarapin
We barely know William so we can not really judge how good of a human being he is. What makes Charles a bad human being. He has done more for charity than most people in this world. Maybe he doesnt show it in public as much as Diana did because he does not need to. He cares for his country and is constantly trying to find ways to keep tradition and move into the modern world. William took a different major than his father and the williams major was Geography. Not the best subject to judge intellegence on. William is a smart boy but is no were near as wise as his father is or as wise as he needs to be to survive the royal family yet. Charles has also learned from his past mistakes. We dont know that william wont make mistakes. He probably will and will learn from them. People are always growing and learning and Charles is so much more suited to be king than william is right now. I do agree that william is the perfect blend of his father and mother when it comes to his public figure from what we have seen from him so far, which is not much. He has his fathers sense of duty and occasion and his mothers compassion. But, that is so much better used as a Prince and Heir to the Throne. Remember,that william cannot be how he is now when he becomes monarch. Things change. It is better to have william waiting so we can have him longer rather than have him controlled by the crown as monarch. Lets not takes Williams life away from him so young. I hope he has until his 40's to live a free life.
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Old 10-09-2005, 02:06 AM
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We barely know William so we can not really judge how good of a human being he is. What makes Charles a bad human being. He has done more for charity than most people in this world. Maybe he doesnt show it in public as much as Diana did because he does not need to. He cares for his country and is constantly trying to find ways to keep tradition and move into the modern world. William took a different major than his father and the williams major was Geography. Not the best subject to judge intellegence on. William is a smart boy but is no were near as wise as his father is or as wise as he needs to be to survive the royal family yet. Charles has also learned from his past mistakes. We dont know that william wont make mistakes. He probably will and will learn from them. People are always growing and learning and Charles is so much more suited to be king than william is right now. I do agree that william is the perfect blend of his father and mother when it comes to his public figure from what we have seen from him so far, which is not much. He has his fathers sense of duty and occasion and his mothers compassion. But, that is so much better used as a Prince and Heir to the Throne. Remember,that william cannot be how he is now when he becomes monarch. Things change. It is better to have william waiting so we can have him longer rather than have him controlled by the crown as monarch. Lets not takes Williams life away from him so young. I hope he has until his 40's to live a free life.

I truly don't wish to take William's freedom away. I wish for him to make to his 40's before Her Majesty passes on. I want the crown to pass to William after Her Majesty. It is my personal opinion and what I think will be best for the monarchy. Charles' situation and errors cause and have caused too much turmoil in the House of Windsor.
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Not just Charles errors though but of many others have cost the monarchy turmoils in the PAST. We are in the present and things are looking bright. Charles is doing a lot of good things right now and that is what we should be looking at. Trying to skip Charles would cause turmoil and a family rift. The law is the law and william would never want to knock out his fathers place in succession. It would not be best for the monarchy because it shows that there is no law and order. Charles is one of the best if not thee best Prince of Wales in history. He has defined the title and served his nation well. He will make a good king. I want reasons as to why Charles should not be king based on his service to the nation not his private life. There is a difference.
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Old 10-09-2005, 06:32 AM
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tiaraprin, wasn't it you who said the discussion of which crown prince would succeed first was morbid because it was speculating on which monarch was going to die first?

How is it different when you have a ferverent wish that Charles die before he has a chance to acceed the throne? He may well die before his mother but praying and wishing that he die before her is like putting a death wish on him. That's morbid.
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Old 10-09-2005, 11:18 AM
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I want reasons

Mind the fact that I just pin pointed this phrase out of your whole post. I just noticed that I seem to see these words repeated constantly in them.

You see, maybe if you asked politely for members to explain their views on a certain subject (and not demand them like you so often do), you would more than likely be given what you so passionately seek on a more regular basis.

Since we are all fans of the truth here at the Royal Forums (well, I know I am), I just wanted it to be expressed how I find your responses to be rather aggressive and quite frankly, rude. Tact goes a long way when one uses it.

Now, you can get your back up and be confrontational if you wish, that seems to be your agenda and to be honest it wont bother me at all if you chose that path. But, you could take what I've said on board constructively (not that you shall of course) and work on your cyber social skills so that most of the people here who post along side you wont continue to get the wrong impression (unless of course that is the impression you wish for them to recieve).

You may think I'm not a nice person either, thats fine you can think that if you wish, but just so you know (of course not that you care), I am in actual fact a very down to earth, warm and sicnere person who believes that no one deserves to be spoken down to or ridiculed for having their own beliefs and thoughts on an issue that arent in line with your own. Try seeing it from the other posters point of view (I know I do). I am almost certain you would'nt like it much if the roles were reversed.

Good health and happiness to you princejohhny25.

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This isnt a malicious post and I hope it is not viewed as such.
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Old 10-09-2005, 11:23 AM
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The Queen is already nearly 80. William is in his early 20s. If you wish for her to live for another 20 years, you're just looking at a situation where Charles will effectively be the ruler because he'll have taken most of the duties off the shoulders of his extremely old mother, but he won't have the restrictions that go with being the sovereign. The scenario you hope for would in fact be a great deal more dangerous for a person so allegedly error-prone than a scenario where he becomes king and is constitutionally far more limited. Simply so that he never gets the title "king" and Camilla never gets to become queen. Simply so that the throne can go straight to Diana's son. If you really think Charles is such an error-prone waste of space, then your preferred scenario would be the one that gave him the greatest possible scope to screw up.
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I totally agree branchg, but other monarchies with equally ancient coronation traditions have given them up and Tony Blair is cutting out a lot of other revered traditions of the British monarchy. The House of Windsor is being criticized for being too expensive, too grand, and is being unfavorably compared to the simpler, more modernistic royal houses on the continent.

That having been said, I hope they don't cut out the coronation.
I doubt a future Prime Minister would even entertain abolishing the coronation ceremony. There is no way Parliament would agree to it.

Polls show the majority of the British public still supports the monarchy and most still enjoy the ceremonial pomp and grandeur of the throne. I think it is highly unlikely anything will change.
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I doubt a future Prime Minister would even entertain abolishing the coronation ceremony. There is no way Parliament would agree to it.

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Hope so. I'm an Anglophile, and I really want to watch a British coronation on TV. :)
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I am not shallow to pick a king based on his looks number one. Number two, while William has much to learn, I think he is a better human being and more caring than his father. I believe William can successfully merge royalty with the caring mode like his mother did. William is also more intelligent than his father, his grades and degree prove this. William also has the benefit of learning from his father's numerous errors.
I think that's unfair. Charles has performed many years of service to the nation as Prince of Wales and there is no evidence to indicate he is not a good and caring person. In fact, there is much evidence to indicate the opposite is true. And what makes you think Charles is not intelligent? He certainly has much more education and preparation than his mother ever did.

William seems like a person of fine character and personality, but he is very much unprepared for the burden of the throne. He is entitled to have the time necessary to grow into his future role and experience life on his own terms. He has a lifetime of public duty and protocol ahead of him and every moment he can have to be himself is important to his development.

Basing these assessments on a marriage that went wrong for a lot of different reasons is not a reason to deny someone the throne. Diana is no longer here to speak for herself and it is time to move on with life. Succession is determined by Parliament and Charles will be King under the Act of Settlement.
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I do not think im agresive Margereth. Im sorry if I come of that way. I simply want to understand why everyone is so adamently against C and C. All the answers go back to Diana. That is not good enough in my opinion. Diana is equal in C and C. No one worse or better. Theyre both human who makes mistakes humans do everyday exept theirs is blasted on the papers. It doesn not bother me that other people have different opinions I just want to understand where there opinions come from. I also give reasons for my views. Im a rationalist forgive me. Charles and Camilla have proven to be warm caring people who care about their family and country. They are loyal to their country and Charles works his deriere off like crazy and Camilla is starting at a good rate. I am sure all of you have done things in the past you wish never happened. But, you all got second chances. Why not Charles. He has proven himself over and over. Stop the Hypocracy. Non of you are Jesus.
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Stop the Hypocracy. Non of you are Jesus.
Princejonnhy25, I think this is exactly the type of aggressive hyperbole to which Margarethe II was referring. It is not a useful tool for getting your point across.

All of us have our opinions regarding the Charles- Camilla-Diana triangle. Obviously some are more passionate than others.

As in any debate we should contiue to give each other a fair hearing and then respond in a civil manner. The various opinions and wealth of information is why I am a member of this Forum.

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