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Old 09-27-2005, 09:41 PM
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Prince charles is not old in body and mind. Charles is one of the healthiest men of his age and he is a man of the future. Charles flaw is that he lacks charisma and he cant get his ideas through passionatly. Instead it seems like he is an old bat. But if you think about what he has to say he is a man ahead of his time but no one wants to think of the future and its upcoming problems.
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Old 09-27-2005, 10:17 PM
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The possibilties of Abdication are so undeinably foreign to Her Majesty, that I am sure the thought has never once entered her mind. No, it is safe to say that she shall continue to execute the duties of sovereignty until the time comes for her to meet her creator. If I had my way, The Queen would reign forever but alas, it is'nt (realistically) feesable.

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Old 09-27-2005, 11:30 PM
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Yes, Charles, like Edward VII, has been blessed with an Eternal Mother.

Oh Iowabelle, you crack me up!!:p That is such a good quote from Edward VII!

I am glad Charles has been blessed with an Eternal Mother!!

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!
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Old 09-28-2005, 08:13 AM
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Yes, Charles, like Edward VII, has been blessed with an Eternal Mother.
What I was trying to say was that Charles could have an Eternal Mother and still outlive her for another 20 years like Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden. The man was seventy when he inherited the throne.

Gustaf and Charles have some similarities. Gustaf remarried once his first wife died to Louise Mountbatten and the marriage was happy but without children. That didn't pose a problem because the heir to the throne had been born out of Gustaf's first marriage.

Camilla seems to have given Charles a new lease on life. He seems happier and less stressed since he married. Finding a partner in your golden years that you can live and be happy with is a good reason to keep on living for a lot longer.
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That's right, The Queen and the late Queen Mother could never forgiven for King Edward VIII's abdication to marry and be with Mrs Wallis Simpson.
Based on what has been written by royal biographers over the years, it was actually the Queen Mother who never forgave the Duke for abdicating the throne. The Queen was far more pragmatic and willing to put the past behind.

Charles must become King when his mother dies under the Act of Settlement. It is automatic and without question. If he was incapacitated or unable to carry out his duties as Sovereign, then Prince William would automatically become Regent until his father recovered or died. Like Edward VIII, Charles could only be removed from the throne by an Act of Parliament.

The Queen will never abdicate. She has made that very clear.
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Old 09-28-2005, 11:54 PM
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The Queen will never abdicate and Charles will succeed in due time. I don't believe he will step aside nor will William take the crown if offered if his dad is still alive. Thats kind of foul. Not a great fan of Charles's but you train for a position all of your life and than told..Never mind...we like your son better! He is young, handsome, looks like his mom, more exciting. William loves his Dad too much! He already thinks he is misunderstood.

On another note...if you get a chance...please read "Ungrateful Daughters: The Stuart Princesses who stole their Father's Crown" By Maureen Waller. Great Book. Somewhat on the same lines. Queen Mary II and Queen Anne stole the throne from their father (imagine what the royal family would be today if they hadn't!) James II and life was never the same!
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Old 09-29-2005, 12:06 AM
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The Queen will never abdicate and Charles will succeed in due time. I don't believe he will step aside nor will William take the crown if offered if his dad is still alive. Thats kind of foul. Not a great fan of Charles's but you train for a position all of your life and than told..Never mind...we like your son better! He is young, handsome, looks like his mom, more exciting. William loves his Dad too much! He already thinks he is misunderstood.

On another note...if you get a chance...please read "Ungrateful Daughters: The Stuart Princesses who stole their Father's Crown" By Maureen Waller. Great Book. Somewhat on the same lines. Queen Mary II and Queen Anne stole the throne from their father (imagine what the royal family would be today if they hadn't!) James II and life was never the same!
i would agree with that posts!

but HM Queen never let down but she still at 79 years old and she nearly 80 years old next years and her husband Prince Philip will become 85 also but many people give HM Queen as god save the HM Queen they wont let down she very strong woman and she very wise woman.

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Old 09-29-2005, 09:47 AM
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On another note...if you get a chance...please read "Ungrateful Daughters: The Stuart Princesses who stole their Father's Crown" By Maureen Waller. Great Book. Somewhat on the same lines. Queen Mary II and Queen Anne stole the throne from their father (imagine what the royal family would be today if they hadn't!) James II and life was never the same!
Less that they stole the throne than that James II decided to follow in his father's footsteps and ignore the wishes of Parliament. The foolish man tried to rule in the style of Louis XIV and never learned that England was not France.
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Yes, I think it's rather misleading to say his daughters stole his throne; I doubt they had much more choice in the matter than he did. Mary II's husband effectively stole the throne from her and, after her death, her sister until 1702, but I don't think the princesses stole it from their father.
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I would tend to agree but the book puts a different slant on it. It talks about the court intrigue that lead to the taking of the throne. It focuses on the relationship that Anne had with her father and stepmother, the birth of the disputed child, the letters that Anne wrote Mary (who was Orange) which basically fanned the fire,and how after Mary and William assumed the throne it affected the relationship of Mary and Anne. In addition, it addresses the succession if Mary was to die before William, when Anne would inherit, the succession of the Hanoverians, etc.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:36 AM
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Based on what has been written by royal biographers over the years, it was actually the Queen Mother who never forgave the Duke for abdicating the throne. The Queen was far more pragmatic and willing to put the past behind.
You are most certainly correct branchg.

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When Charles gets crowned King, what will be Camilla's role during the ceremony. She wont get crowned too will she, or wear a crown like the Queen mother did because she wont be queen. So what would be her role?
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When Charles gets crowned King, what will be Camilla's role during the ceremony. She wont get crowned too will she, or wear a crown like the Queen mother did because she wont be queen. So what would be her role?
If Camilla doesn't become Queen Consort, she would have a similar role at the Coronation that Prince Philip had. She would place her coronet on her head when Charles is crowned King with all the other peers and princesses during the ceremony. As Princess Consort, she would be the first to kneel before the King to pay homage and pledge loyalty to the new Sovereign.
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If Camilla doesn't become Queen Consort, she would have a similar role at the Coronation that Prince Philip had. She would place her coronet on her head when Charles is crowned King with all the other peers and princesses during the ceremony. As Princess Consort, she would be the first to kneel before the King to pay homage and pledge loyalty to the new Sovereign.
Thank you for that information branchg. I would really like to see a coronation ceremony. :)
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And if Camilla is crowned Queen it will be done in accordance with the full pomp and magnificance befitting a Queen Consort at that most glittering of all ceremonies.
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Old 09-30-2005, 10:28 AM
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Warren I totally agree. Charles is all about his wife receive her due recognition (which I don't have a problem with per se as she should). It does bother me however how he wants to push it down people's throat. If he gives it time...people will come to accept her as they have shown thus far.
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I don't think he's pushing her down people's throats. If he were she'd be taking the Princess of Wales title. They've been rather low-key since the marriage.
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I dont think he is pushing it down peoples throats at all. The media makes it seem like that though. But, he has very carefully planned Camillas entrance and it is common knowledge that she will be Queen. All that Princess Consort stuff is bologna. They are just starting slow and thanking God that Camilla has been accepted so well on. It could have been much worse.
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I dont think he is pushing it down peoples throats at all. The media makes it seem like that though. But, he has very carefully planned Camillas entrance and it is common knowledge that she will be Queen. All that Princess Consort stuff is bologna. They are just starting slow and thanking God that Camilla has been accepted so well on. It could have been much worse.
I dont believe Charles to has forced people to except Camilla, He has let them make their own judgement, and rightly so.

I have been a Monarchist since I could pretty muh talk, BUT, If Camilla is infact crowned Queen Consort (which is a most probable & realistic thought), I willl have no hesitation in voting for an Australian Republic. To think that once again the public was mislead to think that the Duchess of Cornwall shall be given the title Princess Consort (or as was claimed by His Royal Highnesses Household) & be totally uplifted would be once again a shun to those who really count, the people! I could most definitly handle having a Princess Consort, but Queen Camilla!!! Absolutely not!

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The misinformation came from the Household, not direct from the Prince or Camilla. The Household has a long history of self-serving lies and half-truths, and it isn't fair to blame the royals for this sort of clumsy propaganda unless it's known that the propaganda was instigated by the royals themselves, which we don't know in this case.
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