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Old 09-13-2007, 05:21 AM
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Charles only thinks about Charles.
But sweetie, according to all the wives I know, that is what all men do! (except my own of course. )
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:35 AM
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Charles only thinks about Charles. Lying Camilla is desperatly needed, to tell him only things he wants to heir, such as to reasure him on a daily basis that his close-set-eyes do not mean insincerity. Characteristically, that trait means you cannot be trusted. Many thiefs have eyes like that.

Also, does anyone in their right mind sincerily believe what the boys are forced to say about Camilla? My heart goes out to them......... how sad.
Pay attention, he will steal the crown in the near future!
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:15 PM
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Also, does anyone in their right mind sincerily believe what the boys are forced to say about Camilla? My heart goes out to them......... how sad.
No one can force Prince William or Prince Harry to pay lip service to anyone. William is 25. Harry is now going to be 23. They are neither boys or as weak-minded as you are suggesting. Quite the opposite of weak-minded, they are self-professedly stubborn, willful, and occasionally bull-headed about living their lives exactly as they deem appropriate.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:19 PM
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But sweetie, according to all the wives I know, that is what all men do
That is so not true I'am not self-centered.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:44 PM
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Charles only thinks about Charles.
This is obviously not true. A person so self-centred would never have started and got so deeply involved in the Prince's Trust and Business in the Community. When you're so determined to blacken a person's name that you resort to obvious falsehoods, you aren't doing you own credibility any favours.

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Lying Camilla is desperatly needed, to tell him only things he wants to heir, such as to reasure him on a daily basis that his close-set-eyes do not mean insincerity.
You do have evidence, of course, that she tells him this every day?

Didn't think so.

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Characteristically, that trait means you cannot be trusted. Many thiefs have eyes like that.
I suppose the fact that many thieves don't have eyes like that is somehow irrelevant? Enquiring minds would really like to know.

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Old 09-13-2007, 08:46 PM
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That is so not true I'am not self-centered.
Yes, dear, but you're not married. Just you wait till the novelty has worn off, and you'll soon be hearing about how men are totall self-centred. Then think back to this thread and remember - you heard it here first...
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:52 PM
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No one can force Prince William or Prince Harry to pay lip service to anyone. William is 25. Harry is now going to be 23. They are neither boys or as weak-minded as you are suggesting. Quite the opposite of weak-minded, they are self-professedly stubborn, willful, and occasionally bull-headed about living their lives exactly as they deem appropriate.
Ten years ago the boys were quite younger. From the moment Diana died, Prince Charles seized the opportunity to start his brain washing scheme. Prince Charles has desperatly needed the boys on his side so the public could somewhat accept what he had done. Which has worked on Harry better than William. The boys are both very intelligent, but a father figure especially of such prominance has alot of power over his impressionable young sons whom were devastated over the loss of their mother. They are brought up to be dutiful. When we are emotionally involved, we can't always see clearly. Sometimes it takes a lifetime to see what actually occured in our childhood. At 23 and 25 it might just be too painfull to see... so, they choose to ignore and go along. A survival technique.
I will never ever believe what Harry says about loving Camilla!
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:53 PM
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Yes, dear, but you're not married. Just you wait till the novelty has worn off, and you'll soon be hearing about how men are totall self-centred. Then think back to this thread and remember - you heard it here first...
I guess its the women from venus and men from mars thing again.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:08 PM
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Yes, dear, but you're not married. Just you wait till the novelty has worn off, and you'll soon be hearing about how men are totall self-centred. Then think back to this thread and remember - you heard it here first...
This is not what my mother, grandmother and two great-grandma's used to said about their husbands (my mother keep saying it, for happily, she is alive! ) I don't like the nowadays opposition women-men. We come to earth to live our lives together. Women and men. And I don't think that men are self-centered, nor women. There are self-centered men and women, but not all of them are! What are people from nowadays so totalitarian and absolute when judging people?

I wish I could have a good matrimony built over love and confidence as all the women in my family had...and I'm sorry for these men and women who didn't find a good partenaire to live with.

Prince Charles CAN be self-centered, I think that he couldn't developpe his personnality as well as wished and he must marry a women he didn't love. Now, he is beginning to live and it's almost like a child. Children are self-centered until they reach teenager years, and I think that the Prince of Wales is, in certain aspects of his life, a pre-teen boy. I'm not blaming him for it, he had no option with the education he received....but I suppose he is INDEED self-centered.But this doesn't meant he would not be able to involve actively in Community problems and in his work as Heir. When I said he is a little self-centered, I'm not affirming he is totally self-centered.

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Old 09-14-2007, 01:21 AM
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Ten years ago the boys were quite younger. From the moment Diana died, Prince Charles seized the opportunity to start his brain washing scheme. Prince Charles has desperatly needed the boys on his side so the public could somewhat accept what he had done. Which has worked on Harry better than William. The boys are both very intelligent, but a father figure especially of such prominance has alot of power over his impressionable young sons whom were devastated over the loss of their mother. They are brought up to be dutiful. When we are emotionally involved, we can't always see clearly. Sometimes it takes a lifetime to see what actually occured in our childhood. At 23 and 25 it might just be too painfull to see... so, they choose to ignore and go along. A survival technique.
I will never ever believe what Harry says about loving Camilla!
I wonder why you seem to be interested in two young men you obviously believe to be brain-washed. Are there not people around you can believe in?
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Old 09-14-2007, 02:42 AM
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Ten years ago the boys were quite younger. From the moment Diana died, Prince Charles seized the opportunity to start his brain washing scheme. Prince Charles has desperatly needed the boys on his side so the public could somewhat accept what he had done. Which has worked on Harry better than William. The boys are both very intelligent, but a father figure especially of such prominance has alot of power over his impressionable young sons whom were devastated over the loss of their mother. They are brought up to be dutiful. When we are emotionally involved, we can't always see clearly. Sometimes it takes a lifetime to see what actually occured in our childhood. At 23 and 25 it might just be too painfull to see... so, they choose to ignore and go along. A survival technique.
I will never ever believe what Harry says about loving Camilla!
Your statements have nothing to do with this thread and and they have nothing to do with any truth.
Brain washing? Eyes like a thief? etc. Start writing a fantasy thriller maybe you will find some readers. I don´t think this is the right place for this utter nonsence.
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:05 AM
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This is not what my mother, grandmother and two great-grandma's used to said about their husbands (my mother keep saying it, for happily, she is alive! ) I don't like the nowadays opposition women-men. We come to earth to live our lives together. Women and men. And I don't think that men are self-centered, nor women. There are self-centered men and women, but not all of them are! What are people from nowadays so totalitarian and absolute when judging people?
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Old 09-14-2007, 06:11 AM
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If someone is in the position that Diana and Charles were with minions and flunkies waiting on you hand and foot and telling you how great you are all the time, its pretty hard for the average person not to be self-centered in that position.

I think men have more of a tendency to be self centered than women because society encourages men to look after their own needs and not let themselves get pushed around whereas women are raised to take care of others and not focus on their own needs. Generally though in our culture, to be considered self-centered is not usually considered a bad trait for a man but it is considered a bad trait for a woman.

I just watched the movie The Devil Wears Prada and one of the lines from the movie was that if a man acted the way the fashion exec Miranda Priestly acted the man would be called brilliant whereas Miranda was just called the Dragon Lady and had a reputation as impossible to work for.
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Old 09-14-2007, 07:08 AM
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If someone is in the position that Diana and Charles were with minions and flunkies waiting on you hand and foot and telling you how great you are all the time, its pretty hard for the average person not to be self-centered in that position.
That is true to an extent, for men are (or were traditionally, maybe not so much anymore) also raised to be the breadwinners of the family, to get a good education so they can make lots of money and build a prosperous life. That is why in the course of human history, men have been very much driven career or job-wise, and sometimes accused by their wives of not spending enough "quality time" with the family. Hence the "self-centered" line.
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I think men have more of a tendency to be self centered than women because society encourages men to look after their own needs and not let themselves get pushed around whereas women are raised to take care of others and not focus on their own needs. Generally though in our culture, to be considered self-centered is not usually considered a bad trait for a man but it is considered a bad trait for a woman.

I just watched the movie The Devil Wears Prada and one of the lines from the movie was that if a man acted the way the fashion exec Miranda Priestly acted the man would be called brilliant whereas Miranda was just called the Dragon Lady and had a reputation as impossible to work for.
This is totally true. A woman with the same gungho traits in the work force can often be considered a "bitch", whereas a man with the same traits would be considered "ambitious, driven, hard working, dedicated."
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Well I think two things contribute to being self-centered. Both women and men can have flunkies and yes men fuelling their self centeredness but only men are condoned by society as a whole for being self-centered.

Both Charles and Diana had their hangers-on telling them how wonderful they were and how horrible the other was. Charles had his set of friends and Diana had her Andrew Morton, Richard Kay, etc.

However, despite the ability to have flunkies and yes-men, women generally aren't condoned by society as a whole for being self-centered and Charles being a male and the heir to the throne was probably encouraged during his childhood from everybody (even the non-flunkies) to be more self-centered than others.
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Your statements have nothing to do with this thread and and they have nothing to do with any truth.
Brain washing? Eyes like a thief? etc. Start writing a fantasy thriller maybe you will find some readers. I don´t think this is the right place for this utter nonsence.
I agree milla CA. Polo's statements in this and at least one other thread have little or nothing to do with the topic being discussed. This topic is "the marriage"not William and Harry and the marriage. William and Harry have their own section and sub topics. If Polo's topics don't fit in the categories offered, she should start her own threads and not hijack threads with her Diana extremist beliefs.
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The moderators don't always delete inappropriate posts but rest assured that the inappropriate posts in this thread have already been handled. Let's move on.

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while i don't think charles is the love of camilla's life, she is definitely the love of his. i think it's ok too...they work well together and she obviously accepts his role and duty and all the things that go with being a member of the RF. this is IMO the best marriage for him and she, at least, appears to be happy as well.
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while i don't think charles is the love of camilla's life, she is definitely the love of his. i think it's ok too...they work well together and she obviously accepts his role and duty and all the things that go with being a member of the RF. this is IMO the best marriage for him and she, at least, appears to be happy as well.
I have mixed feelings here. I think perhaps you are right. At the same time, I think that it's possible Camilla has fallen in love Charles as much as he has fallen for her. I imagine that Charles was the first to fall, and maybe Camilla was torn between APB and Charles, who knows? Impossible to know, but this has always been my impression, and it has long struck me that she seems to have progressively become more attached to her relationship with Charles, particularly after her separation and divorce. That said, while I think we agree that Charles was not always "the love" of her life, it seems to be the case that he is now and likely to remain "the love" of her present and future. I agree completely that they are a great team. Camilla is a good royal consort in that she will never spill the beans or cause controversy of any magnitude. She will walk the line and do her duty. Charles also had a good team with Diana, until of course the marriage went down the tubes and they began leading separate lives. But be that as it may, Camilla and Charles are certainly the more ideally matched. They have the most compatibility, no doubts about that.
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It is sad that they all ended up with the wrong partners, but these things happen and have happened for years. I believe Camilla loved Charles, but was bullied by factions of his family, to do the right thing and settle elsewhere.

They are happy together now, there is so much misery in this world, surely nobody begrudges them their golden years - together?
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