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Old 09-02-2013, 08:42 PM
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I think they, including Albert and Charléne, consider themselves more of a jet set-celebrity-family rather than a royal one, and it seems they don´t want to be seen as such.
I cannot help myself, but I´ve never reckoned Stéphanie for instance as "Princess", more a wealthy jet-set-lady from the Cote d´ Azur. When they attend european royal weddings or jubilees, they seem to be strangely misplaced.
Living in circus-trucks, dozends of children out of wedlock, affairs, divorces etc. is the opposite of what Rainier and Grace once built up.
Don´t get me wrong - I have nothing against Andrea and his new wife, as I do not even know them. But this "royal Game" in terms of the Grimaldis is quite a farce to me.
I have no doubt that the Grimaldis do not consider themselves Royal, and for good reason...they aren't. The current Ruling Family are descended from the Ducs de Polignac, which is a Princely/Aristocratic line and not a Royal one.

Anyway, as nontraditional as their behavior is I think it's a bit hypocritical to pretend they are that much different than all the other so called "Royal" families today. We have two divorcees who will be Queen someday, another Queen-to-be who is a confessed former drug abuser and party girl, an heir to the Throne caught talking dirty to his married mistress on tape, and a Royal prince who may be about to marry his reality TV/soft porn model girlfriend. Those are just a few I can think of right off the top.

Are the Grimaldis really so awful in comparison? I don't think so.
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:23 PM
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I have no doubt that the Grimaldis do not consider themselves Royal, and for good reason...they aren't. The current Ruling Family are descended from the Ducs de Polignac, which is a Princely/Aristocratic line and not a Royal one.

Anyway, as nontraditional as their behavior is I think it's a bit hypocritical to pretend they are that much different than all the other so called "Royal" families today. We have two divorcees who will be Queen someday, another who is a confessed drug abuser and party girl, an heir to the Throne caught talking dirty to his married mistress on tape, and a Royal prince who may be about to marry his reality TV/soft porn model girlfriend. Those are just a few I can think of right off the top.

Are the Grimaldis really so awful in comparison? I don't think so.
Well said.

And may I add: I do not feel entitled to pics of anyone, royal or not. People have private lives and all the rights to have them. Even public figures, paid from public money, are entitled to their privacy. It would have been nice to have had more pictures from the wedding, but I understand and respect their privacy, even though, purely for my own, selfish pleasure I would have liked to see a whole album of the wedding party with all the details.
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:45 PM
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Why must a civil ceremony take place first, when the Catholic Church does not recognize civil marriages in the first place?
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Why must a civil ceremony take place first, when the Catholic Church does not recognize civil marriages in the first place?
Does the government recognize religious ceremonies?
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:09 AM
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In the USA you get your marriage license from the local records of deeds office and then can be married by any authorized judge, lawyer, priest, minister. They sign the license along with 2 witnesses and it is submitted for recording. No need for 2 ceremonies. Your Choice in who marries you.
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:25 AM
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In the USA you get your marriage license from the local records of deeds office and then can be married by any authorized judge, lawyer, priest, minister. They sign the license along with 2 witnesses and it is submitted for recording. No need for 2 ceremonies. Your Choice in who marries you.
Yes, but in much of Europe what happens is you first marry in a civil ceremony then if you wish you marry in a religious one. It's neither better nor worse than the American way, just a difference in culture. I'm pretty sure that Europeans aren't the only ones who have more than one ceremony either.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:06 AM
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Why must a civil ceremony take place first, when the Catholic Church does not recognize civil marriages in the first place?
Because it many European countries, a civil ceremony is required by law for the marriage to be valid, not a religious one.

Observant Catholics must therefore meet the legal requirements just like any other citizen, but since a Catholic can only be validly married before a priest and two witnesses they also have a ceremony.

This confuses many Americans since you actually choose whether to have a civil or religious ceremony, not both, once you have acquired a marriage license.
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Why is it that Andreas is marrying religiously in Gstaad and not in Monaco? He will likely be their reigning prince one day and the people of Monaco could use the renewed interest in the principality.
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I think I read somewhere that Tatiana was born in Gstaad. So they reached a compromise where they could have their marriage ceremonies in the places they were both born...Monaco and Switzerland.
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Gossip from Pipole, which quotes Closer: Pierre and Gad were Andrea's witnesses at the wedding.
Gad Elmaleh témoin d'Andrea Casiraghi
I wonder how accurate it is about Gad when it says "Outside the Grimaldi family, Prince Albert and Charlene of Monaco in particular the "crowned heads were missing." They were there.
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Tatiana's third dress for the reception looks very much like this Valentino lace dress
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Maybe they chose to get marry (in religious "sense") in Gstaad because, for exampe, they have their favourite church/chapel there or they just wanted winter, romantique scenery. Could be numbers of things... My grandparents had their civil ceremony 3 months before the religious one just to have price reduction for trains, which probably isn't the case here ;-)
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i just loved the brides wedding dress, it was so "her", just awesome
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Tatiana's third dress for the reception looks very much like this Valentino lace dress
Do you mean the dress that she wore at the reception (with the first one being the one she wore with her bridesmaids and the second one the Missoni for the actual ceremony)? It certainly does look like it. Her version seems so heavy, though, I wonder if it's a coat of some sort. It seemed pretty warm in Monaco.
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Posts discussing Sofia Hellqvist have been deleted as off-topic. This is a thread for the wedding of Andrea and Tatiana only, so please stay on topic of this thread! Thanks!
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If I am not mistaken when Caro married with Stefano they cut a wedding cake and the pics went around the world - alas is there pic of this matrimonial cake anywhere?
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Does the government recognize religious ceremonies?
No. In Monaco and in several other nations the religious wedding ceremony has no legal meaning at all. The civil wedding ceremony is the only legal wedding ceremony, and by law it must happen before any religious ceremonies. It has been this way since at least Napoleon Ist time.
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No. In Monaco and in several other nations the religious wedding ceremony has no legal meaning at all. The civil wedding ceremony is the only legal wedding ceremony, and by law it must happen before any religious ceremonies. It has been this way since at least Napoleon Ist time.
That was what I was thinking.
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sigh...the media will post anything. gad was not a witness since he has been filming in LA. not that it matters, there was no wedding after all, just a party.
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Do you mean the dress that she wore at the reception (with the first one being the one she wore with her bridesmaids and the second one the Missoni for the actual ceremony)? It certainly does look like it. Her version seems so heavy, though, I wonder if it's a coat of some sort. It seemed pretty warm in Monaco.
Yes to the dinner (reception after the ceremony). It could be a custom made dress as her's was floor length but still had the same style of the Valentino collection dresses.
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