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Old 03-18-2011, 03:01 PM
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If two Christians want to stomp on a glass at the end of their wedding like they would in a Jewish service, what the hell does that have to do with you being a Christian? Nothing, that's what.

I don't think it's going to happen, simply because it doesn't sound rooted in reality.
Well, you are right that it doesn't have anything to do with me, or anyone, being Christian. My feeling, however, is that if two people who share the same religion are marrying, you wouldn't being in elements from another religion. Not without a very personal connection to that religion anyway

I agree, it doesn't sound rooted in reality.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:20 PM
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Can't two people appreciate the symbolism of that act and want to incorporate it into their own wedding? I'm not saying William and Kate are doing this, just that I don't understand the problem with anyone doing it. The Breaking of the Glass is a very symbolic thing in a Jewish wedding yes, but it symbolizes something that is inherent and present in ALL marriages, not just between those of the Jewish faith.

Another poster already detailed what it symbolizes, what it means, what it stands for......what is wrong with incorporating something that meaningful into your wedding, even if you or your spouse-to-be aren't Jewish?

I'm glad I don't have these hang-ups.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:34 PM
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I know that in the old Chinese philosophy of harmony (Feng Shui) the breaking of glass means misfortune, whether the breaking of earthenware means luck.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:04 PM
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I am not sure how adopting certain traditional gestures from other cultures will in any way is trivialising or compromising Willaim's future position as Defender of the Faith.

William's primary constituency are the people of Britain, and to a lesser extent, the other countries of which Queeen is head of state (which as you know is only a subset of the Commonwealth). The largest ethnic and religious groups in the UK outside the Anglican and Catholic communities are people from the Indian sub-continent (comprising Hindu, Sikh and Muslim faiths), Jewish people and Afro-Carribeans. As you are no doubt aware, Christianity is widespread amongst the Afro-Carribean communities. You may also be aware that the henna custom for the bride referred to is used amongst Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims.

Just because the wedding will be televised around the world does not mean that he needs to appease every ethnic or religious group of the world.
I didn't say it would compromise William's future position, however people feel very strongly about their cultures, religion and traditions. To use their traditions in a trivial manner or mix them with other traditions, i.e; Muslim, Hindu henna tradition mixed with the Judaism tradition of breaking the glass, in such a public way can have unintended consequences. In such a volatile atmosphere where religions and belief systems are so sensitive, I don't see this is necessary nor wise. England like the US is a melting pot of many cultures and traditions. I get that. However, as several people have pointed out already, if they want to show that they respect other diverse cultures and religions, then there are others ways to do so without incorporating those traditions into a Christian wedding that will be aired around the world.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:11 PM
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I think the mixing of religions is odd, royals sure aren't what they used to be. I at one point was so excited for this wedding because I thought it would turn out to be the grandest royal wedding that we've seen in years but they're trying to hard to be like ordinary people. I think they shouldn't include practices of other cultures or religions that they aren't a part of, I'm assuming they're Christians because they are marrying in a christian church (that doesn't mean anything really) so they should have a christian wedding. If they want a mix & match wedding, get married in a civil ceremony then have a non-denominational service including multiple religions on Buckingham Palace Lawn, a church is not a carnival to put thing on display!
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:11 PM
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I'm not particularily religious, but I don't know why, it's just kinds seems odd to want to borrow from other religions if you are of a particular religion (and don't have ties to other religions). If they were to incorporate elements, I can see the reasoning for it, but IMO it may be something that might sound better in theory than practice.

To expand on your point on breaking the glass - if it symbolizes something that is universal to all marriages, then why not find something that symbolizes the same thing in their religion? just a thought.

Religion touches a nerve with some people, borrowing from one when you identify with another is bound to raise a eyebrow or two.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:14 PM
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Who is Esther Calthorpe-Watts?

I've googled her, and the only mention of her name is from the blogs who are quoting her. She doesn't seem to exist aside from this "story".
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:20 PM
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I too believe Madame Royale's words are very well chosen.

A marriage is supposed to have deep meaning, hence the ceremony. If these other traditions had deep meaning to the couple, I could understand. But taking some trivial "fun" aspect of the other religions and incorporating it, isn't truly a gesture of respect to that religion (in the eyes of many practitioners of non-Christian faiths).

Now, it is true that in the distant past of William's ancestors, there were the Beaker-Breakers of northern Europe (and the Semitic/Jewish custom of glass breaking is likely related, it might have been a very broad practice at one time). But the groom stomping a wineglass has become strongly associated with Jewish weddings, of course.

Even earlier, Indo-Europeans shared customs of ritualized painting (using ochre before henna). But, I do not see this couple as deeply involved with resurrecting prehistoric rituals.

The Church of England traditions are, themselves, steeped in meaning.

If it turns out this news is true, I will attribute it to the youthful enthusiasm of a young couple who went to university at a time when multiculturalism of this type was popular. I do like the British royal marriages of the past where various impresa/insignia were incorporated into cloaks and dresses, but they were always of the heritage of the couple themselves.

No matter what, all this will fade in the excitement of the wedding itself (if it is even true).
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:24 PM
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Who Says That It Is True?

Wouldn't it be best to wait for Sunday's official announcement?
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:45 PM
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^Yep. It's definitely best to wait until Sunday's announcement.

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I've googled her, and the only mention of her name is from the blogs who are quoting her. She doesn't seem to exist aside from this "story".
I couldn't find anything on her either. Plus, none of the other papers have picked up this story. It sounds to me like the article is made up.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:47 PM
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With that in mind (waiting for Sunday's announcement), let's move on.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:50 PM
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So was it just that blog, or are there reputable sources saying there will be a official announcement on Sunday??

Somone out there is having a laugh I think!

anyway....
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:18 PM
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So was it just that blog, or are there reputable sources saying there will be a official announcement on Sunday??

Somone out there is having a laugh I think!

anyway....
It doesn't sound unlikely, now that I think about it. Perhaps it's just someone who wanted to stir the pot.

We shall see on Sunday.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:29 PM
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Sorry if you sound racist? < ed Warren - removed response to deleted part of quote > You might not approve of interracial marriages, which wake up it is the 21st century and while we may never see it with a royal couple at least close to the throne, is common and accepted in public now, but that is pure racist. To even make a comment that compares Africans to Neandrethals, do you think about what you type before you type it? Honestly. Do you think everyone on here is caucasian, I am, but I wouldn't doubt there are others who aren't.
I think you misunderstood me. Completely. I didn't write anything personal about me and my opinions. I am sorry if I sounded as if I thought Africans are "worse" than Maori - that's not my opinion. I just wanted to point out that a lady in line of succession was formally granted permission to marry a New Zealander with Maori-ancestry but that I don't think it would be easy for someone closer to the throne to marry an African - princess or not.

Edit: I just saw others felt hurt by my post and I'm truly sorry about that. So please believe that I didn't write about my own opinions which are completely open: whoever my own son decides to marry is alright by me when it comes to cultural or regional background. But she should be kind to him....

BUT: I don't think the Royals think along these lines. That was what I wanted to say.
BTW - I have African ancestry myself and am married to a man born at a hospital with direct views into the Neandertal - which is in between Duesseldorf and Mettmann in Germany... so, well, I have no problem with marriages others might think are unusual.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:37 PM
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With that in mind (waiting for Sunday's announcement), let's move on.
Amen!


BTW, it was officially announced today that the Prince of Orange and Princess Maxima will attend wedding of William & Kate on 29 April
twitter.com/nettyroyal
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Not knowing a whole lot about BRF protocol, I'm curious as to how much say HM has regarding the ceremony. If she felt something wasn't proper, is it possible she could object and William and Catherine would have to listen? Could she "put her foot down?"
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I don't doubt one bit that if the Queen thought something wasn't appropriate for a royal wedding at Westminster Abbey, she'd put the kibosh on it, even if it isn't her wedding. She's paying for it, so ultimately in some matters, she has the final say.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:43 PM
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Before anyone jumps on me for this I am in no way questioning Kate this is just an honest question. When William is out working I wonder what exactly she does I mean right now she's busy with the wedding but after obviously she will be doing some solo engagements and will build up slowly in time but on the days that she doesn't have any and William is away for the day I wonder what she's going to do.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:44 PM
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Amen!

BTW, it was officially announced today that the Prince of Orange and Princess Maxima will attend wedding of William & Kate on 29 April
twitter.com/nettyroyal
Oh this is excellent! I love Max

http://m.people.com/newsitem.rbml?item=20474794
Hilarious..... Kate and William teabags.... Too funny
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:32 PM
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As "interesting" and a bit disheartening this thread was to read, this story is a joke to mark the weekend's Purim festival. Check out www.thejc.com/node/46723
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