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Old 07-27-2011, 06:39 AM
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In time as William takes on full time royal duties, I would expect W&C, quite like C&C, to become patrons of the arts, spend a lot more time in London, and increase their social networks, which will then include people from all walks of life.
I am going to throw my box of donuts in the ring here. I have to agree with you Muriel that over time William and Kate both will have the opportunity to mix with far more diverse people and cultures than probably any of us will ever meet in our lifetimes and I'd like to add another to your list.

c) As many priviledged young people do, William took a gap year. Many spend that time traveling the world and doing things they like to do. William (and Kate also at a different time) spent time with Raleigh International. They lived the culture in Chile and it wasn't at a 4 star resort either.

To me, its not so important who William has in his circle of friends nor how "cultured" he is that will make him a good monarch but rather his own values and attitudes towards the world around him.

The fact that his chosen profession is a search and rescue pilot alone tells me he's taken his father's motto "Ich dien" (I serve) to heart. I think William is a man that genuinely cares about the next guy and to be honest, I don't think it matters all that much to him where that person is from or what his background might be. To quote one of my favorite poems.......

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If all men count with you, but none too much;
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:41 AM
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Unfortunately the BRF is surrounded by what the courtiers and family understand as suitable friends. Going to a poorer part of the country and receiving a bunch of flowers and saying hello and asking what they do for a living is not mingling with the masses. The occasional visits to nightclubs etc and having people from other walks of life in the same nightclub is not mingling with the masses.
They are apart, and live a completely different life from the so called ordinary people of Britain. If they were to mingle completely and lead the same lives as these people, who are still called their subjects, then what would be the use of having a royal family. Unfortunately I think that we are seeing the beginning of the end for these privileged by accident of birth people.
If the duchess invited her local grocer to the wedding it is for the very reason that she was part of the ordinary folk until Prince William decided to elevate her to the position of wife.
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I think William is trying to be special, but also ordinary.
Which means - he can't win.
Not exactly an enviable position.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:34 PM
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He must have been exposed to different cultures at Sandhurst. Lots of foreigners from all over attend there.
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:54 PM
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Are you able to substantiate your point with facts?



You are right, it is possible that as of now, William's social set-up will be limited, and possibly homogeneos. IMO, that will be as a result of;

a) having attended University in a remote part of the country, as opposed to the London based Uni's and the Oxbridge colleges which are a lot more ethnically diverse in their in-take

b) joining the armed forces, which again are largely ethnically white in their make-up.

In time as William takes on full time royal duties, I would expect W&C, quite like C&C, to become patrons of the arts, spend a lot more time in London, and increase their social networks, which will then include people from all walks of life.
I'm not critical of William. I have a very high opinion of him and I'm touched by his constant efforts to make himself a better person and make the world a batter place.

The only people of color noticed by reporters at the wedding were heads of state from Swaziland and various Caribbean countries that are part of the commonwealth. AS FAR AS I KNOW, William's guests did not include personal friends of color. Whether that even matters is up for debate.

It's a bit of a joke here. Not a big deal, but an open and obvious fact. I didn't think that proof was needed for a point as obvious as whether it rained on the day of the wedding. Please take this with a grain of salt and a sense of humor:

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Old 07-27-2011, 09:21 PM
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Well, as insulting, humourless and offensive as your "joke" is, it is as on topic as the rest of your diatribes.

It has, as usual, absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "Prince William's Suuitability to be King?"
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:30 PM
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I think that this is going just a little overboard. I hate to say this, but it's not showing the United States in a very good light.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:43 PM
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Well, as insulting, humourless and offensive as your "joke" is, it is as on topic as the rest of your diatribes.

It has, as usual, absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with "Prince William's Suuitability to be King?"
Hi Marg-- nice to meet you. Earlier in this thread more than one poster asked me to provide more info on the diversity (or lack thereof) of the guests. It is not my joke.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:49 PM
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I think that this is going just a little overboard. I hate to say this, but it's not showing the United States in a very good light.
Sheri Shepard famously debated whether the world is round because it doesn't say so in the bible. It is perhaps a bit *high pitched* to say this clip puts the entire United States in a bad light. As I said, the clip must be viewed in a humorous light.
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Old 07-28-2011, 04:34 AM
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The only people of color noticed by reporters at the wedding were heads of state from Swaziland and various Caribbean countries that are part of the commonwealth. AS FAR AS I KNOW, William's guests did not include personal friends of color. Whether that even matters is up for debate.

It's a bit of a joke here. Not a big deal, but an open and obvious fact. I didn't think that proof was needed for a point as obvious as whether it rained on the day of the wedding. Please take this with a grain of salt and a sense of humor:

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Not sure who you are talking about, but there were a reasonable number of Asian people (of colour, might I add) at the wedding. Unlike the US, there are a lot fewer black people in the UK.

I hope the "reporters" you refer to did not include those rude women on the television
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Old 07-28-2011, 05:56 AM
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If Prince William mixed with other cultures at school and Sandhurst the foreign students would be mainly the sons of rulers and other people of influence in their own countries and not representative of the masses in their own countries so on the whole he would be mixing with the kind of people he would meet anyway in his royal life.
I think he is facing an impossible task, if he thinks he can be one of the boys and become a King in the future. Edward VIII wanted that. so he abdicated and from reading many biographies, he spent the rest of his life, if not regretting his abdication, but at least trying to recreate his privileges while he was living abroad. Royal emblems and portraits all over the house, the insistence on his wife being called HRH (in that perhaps he was right but it was petty).
I don't want to go off topic so I will just say I really don't think that William is suitable, but then I don't think Harry is either but then who else is?
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:18 AM
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Only time will tell if William is suitable. Right now he isn't. I'm confident in William and he has the best teachers: Dad and Grandparents.

If he's allowed to he should visit the other royal houses in Europe or wherever and have a discussion on their roles and gain some insight from their perspective.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:57 AM
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If Prince William mixed with other cultures at school and Sandhurst the foreign students would be mainly the sons of rulers and other people of influence in their own countries and not representative of the masses in their own countries so on the whole he would be mixing with the kind of people he would meet anyway in his royal life.
I think he is facing an impossible task, if he thinks he can be one of the boys and become a King in the future. Edward VIII wanted that. so he abdicated and from reading many biographies, he spent the rest of his life, if not regretting his abdication, but at least trying to recreate his privileges while he was living abroad. Royal emblems and portraits all over the house, the insistence on his wife being called HRH (in that perhaps he was right but it was petty).
I don't want to go off topic so I will just say I really don't think that William is suitable, but then I don't think Harry is either but then who else is?
Actually, I don't think it is imperative that he has to "mix" with other cultures/socio-economic peoples on an "Average Joe" basis. That is the job of elected government.

The duties of the monarch are governed by protocol.

Currently, I don't believe William is ready to be king; but I do believe he will be when the time comes.
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People have said this before, of course he's suitable, he's the son of a future monarch and the grandson of the current one. His blood makes him suitable. That's all he needs in the long run.
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Well Edward VIII certainly had all the royal blood necessary but was highly unsuitable.
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Not sure who you are talking about, but there were a reasonable number of Asian people (of colour, might I add) at the wedding. Unlike the US, there are a lot fewer black people in the UK.
A "reasonable" number- could you please clarify? (And please note that the original question came up with respect to diversity among personal guests, not heads of state or representatives of charities.)

Thank you.
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People have said this before, of course he's suitable, he's the son of a future monarch and the grandson of the current one. His blood makes him suitable. That's all he needs in the long run.
You're absolutely right. The question of suitability conflates monarchy with meritocracy. William was suitable on the day he was born.

Unless, of course, more is demanded of a king or queen in modern times when people have access to information and can chose whether, in times of austerity, it makes sense for the public to support a private individual that feels no duty to his or her public.
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How about we stay on topic...if you wish to discuss the diversity (or lack of it) at the Royal wedding....please do so here Wedding of William & Catherine: Reflections on the Royal Wedding .

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Well Edward VIII certainly had all the royal blood necessary but was highly unsuitable.
He fell in love with a divorced women, that makes him highly unsuitable? IMO, no. It made him seem unsuitable in the minds of the royals, politician and possible people, at the time. He would have made a very suitable King, and presumably ruled his country very well and through the war, if he had not been forced to abdicate due to a misguided heart. If Edward had ruled, this topic may not exist.

Love did not make that man highly unsuitable, opinions forced him to be looked upon as unsuitable.

William will, unless (touch wood) something happens, will be King. There is no test he can take, no one really he has to prove himself to, no jury to decide the decision on suitability. He is of royal blood.
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He fell in love with a divorced women, that makes him highly unsuitable? IMO, no. It made him seem unsuitable in the minds of the royals, politician and possible people, at the time. He would have made a very suitable King, and presumably ruled his country very well and through the war, if he had not been forced to abdicate due to a misguided heart. If Edward had ruled, this topic may not exist.

Love did not make that man highly unsuitable, opinions forced him to be looked upon as unsuitable.

William will, unless (touch wood) something happens, will be King. There is no test he can take, no one really he has to prove himself to, no jury to decide the decision on suitability. He is of royal blood.
I highlighted the points you made that are incorrect. You are right to say that the direct reason Edward VIII was forced to abdicate was because of his relationship to Wallis, but to honestly think that Britain would have been led well by a Nazi sympathizer when Britain was at war with Nazi Germany, is simply wrong.
Britain was saved from a monarch who would have led his country into the lion's den thankfully by a simple misguided heart.

But this thread is about William's suitability, not Edward's...
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