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Old 02-18-2007, 07:02 AM
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Finally - re the general claim that Danish DRF are masters at PR - that is a bit funny IMO. Since the wedding they have hired a press officer - Lis Frederiksen. If the office she runs is excellent at what they do - the other royal houses' press offices must be really really poor at their job. I have never liked Lis Frederiksen and her way of handling publicity for the DRF and it is not my impression that the is particularly liked by the media here either. She is heavy-handed and too often appears condescending in her dealings with the public.
I agree completely, the danish court is very new to this PR relations, before the press was handeled by the highest ranking members of the danish court, but with the entrance of Mary the interest reached new heigths and it was absolutly necessary to hire someone at the danish court working only with the press. I dont think any court was later at hiering a press person. If we want to talk about brilliant PR the swedish court has had a press secretary for many, many years (already when Madeleine was born I think) and IMO they are not perfect either but 100 times better than Lis Frederiksen, who IMO seems grumpy every time I see her on TV. Even with a happy thing like Mary and Christian going home from hospital she seemed rude and on odds with the press. And comparing the danish to the brittish press deaprtment is like comparing dry rasins to award winning whine. If you have a good product you can get away with a mediocre/bad Public relations specialist, and obiously *most* danes thinks they have a good product IMO it is not Lis Frederiksen who is the brain in the danish public relations but rather Per Thornit and maybe Ove Ullerups, but they should try and get a better person to deliver his thoughts to the press.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:04 PM
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That is a good point aurora. The Argentines can be passionate people and so I asked an Argentinian member why Maxima didn't generate the same hysteria in Argentina that Mary did in Australia.

She explained that Maxima came from the upper classes and so a lot of Argentinians may not necessarily relate to her.
I might also agree with that Argentinian member, Ysbel...

I would also like to add, as I did in some previous post in other thread, that at the time Máxima and WA got married, we [in Argentina] where undergoing a severe economic crash. So i guess our attention was really not on this event, for which we would have possibly made a big big fuzz over, if it only happened some other time...

Plus, whenever she's here (excluding last year's official visit), it's for private purposes, she keeps it very low-profile ... of course, we do have press coverage on her visits ... and I personally find it very peculiar to have an article based on, for instance, her visits to the supermarket with her mom, in a Prada coat

I think we just don't relate to her, we don't feel identified with her situation, we just see it as a fairy tale...
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Old 02-26-2007, 02:48 AM
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Sorry, may I again be allowed to express my intense dislike of this - IMO - totally misjudged view?
If you have problems seeing the fashion industry as one of the biggest money-making industries, just try substitute clothes with, say fish! That was one of the biggest Danish industries pre the Danish EU membership. And voila - you have a perfect understanding that the royal members support the most important money- making areas in Denmark. If one actually checks out the underlying reason - it all makes beautiful sense.

But tell me, how many fashion-events have you actually seen Mary at this year? How many have the others Cpss been at? What are your feelings about e.g. seeing CPss at the recent Norwegian fashion events. There were pics at e.g. Hellomagazine.
What does fashion have to do with duty and drawing attention to noble causes. Isn't that the role of royalty? It would be nice to see the royal slaves to fashion (and yes pun intended) draw attention to the eating disorders rampant in the industry. Crown Princesses Litizia and Victoria appear to have had personal experiences in this regard.

Shouldn't commericialism should be left to the those in the industry, trade and finance and not to royals?

Is this too much to expect from modern royalty or is it that people view royalty and celebrity as one and the same.
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Eating disorders are continually being covered (supported) by worthy patrons and shall continue to find the buttress they deserve and need.

But it is the function of a modernising institution to represent its national interests, and for Denmark, fashion is a progressing and highly valued sector of industry.

Whether some wish to call 'a' Crown Princess a 'slave to fashion' is neither here nor there. They are undertaking a role which benefits the economy and that is largrely what the royal families do and have done for some time (governmental aspects aside). They execute a function of national representation and internal worth.

I would very much like to see substantiative evidence which supports your claim that the Princess of Asturias has experienced an eating disorder. It is public knowledge that Crown Princess Victoria suffered from Anorexia Nervosa but I don't recall Letizia as having ever being confirmed to have shared in that, or any other affliction of body or mind.
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Old 02-26-2007, 04:18 AM
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What does fashion have to do with duty and drawing attention to noble causes. Isn't that the role of royalty? It would be nice to see the royal slaves to fashion (and yes pun intended) draw attention to the eating disorders rampant in the industry. Crown Princesses Litizia and Victoria appear to have had personal experiences in this regard.

Shouldn't commericialism should be left to the those in the industry, trade and finance and not to royals?

Is this too much to expect from modern royalty or is it that people view royalty and celebrity as one and the same.
If commercialism was left to those in industry trade and finance - how many sightings do you think we would have of the various royals? Try taking a quick count of the trade delegations spearheaded by a royal, or count all the openings of new plants in the presence of a royal.
All monarchies today use their royals to further their country's economic activities, especially exports. Whether a country's main export article is fashion, electric cars, hair appliances or pet food is irrelevant per se. Having fashion as a major trading area is no more 'disrespectful' to people suffering from eating disorders than exporting hair stuff is disrespectful to bald people.
The slave to fashion thing sounds rather outdated to my ears, excuse me for saying it.
To repeat myself - for some countries fashion is an export article like millions of other export articles.
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Old 02-27-2007, 03:47 AM
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Eating disorders are continually being covered (supported) by worthy patrons and shall continue to find the buttress they deserve and need.

But it is the function of a modernising institution to represent its national interests, and for Denmark, fashion is a progressing and highly valued sector of industry.

Whether some wish to call 'a' Crown Princess a 'slave to fashion' is neither here nor there. They are undertaking a role which benefits the economy and that is largrely what the royal families do and have done for some time (governmental aspects aside). They execute a function of national representation and internal worth.

I would very much like to see substantiative evidence which supports your claim that the Princess of Asturias has experienced an eating disorder. It is public knowledge that Crown Princess Victoria suffered from Anorexia Nervosa but I don't recall Letizia as having ever being confirmed to have shared in that, or any other affliction of body or mind.
Paragrpah 1: Yes and.

Paragrpah 2: Denmark
Economy

Once essentially an agricultural country and still possessing a visibly rural landscape, Denmark after 1945 greatly expanded its industrial base so that by the 1990s industry contributed over 25% of the gross domestic product and agriculture less than 5% (Denmark's other traditional industries of fishing and shipbuilding have also declined). Financial and other services, trade, transportation, and communication are also important.
The main commodities raised are livestock (pigs, cattle, and poultry), root crops (beets, kohlrabi, and potatoes), and cereals (barley, oats, and wheat). There is a large fishing industry, and Denmark possesses a commercial shipping fleet of considerable size. The leading manufactures include food products (especially meat and dairy goods), chemicals, machinery, metal products (made almost entirely from imported raw materials, since Denmark has practically no mineral resources), electronic and transport equipment, beer, textiles, and paper and wood products. Tourism is also an important industry.
Denmark's main exports are agricultural and industrial machinery, teak and oak furniture, meat, fish, and metals and metal manufactures; the chief imports are machinery, metals, motor vehicles, and fuels. The country's leading trade partners are Germany, Sweden, Great Britain, and other European Union countries as well as the United States. Denmark suffered severe economic problems throughout the 1980s, and in the 1990s it had a high unemployment rate, large public-sector expenses, and a massive foreign debt. However, tight fiscal and monetary policies combined with an increasing export base held some promise of economic recovery.

Couldn't find anything about fashion, but textiles are listed after beer in the order of Demark's manufactures.

Paragraph 3: See paragraph 2.

Paragrpah 4: Letizia's weight speaks for itself. I truly wish her the best.

I don't know, suppose I expect too much from royals.
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Old 02-27-2007, 03:52 AM
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Paragrpah 4: Letizia's weight speaks for itself. I truly wish her the best.

I happen to know a couple women who are really quite thin, but suffer from no eating disorder. Some people have a very high metabolism, so it's a struggle for them to gain weight, and they are constantly being asked if they have anorexia, if they are bulimic.....and they're neither. They just are naturally that thin. This may very well be the case for Letizia and frankly, it's irresponsible to assume she's sick if she's not.

Her weight does not speak for itself as there are many reasons why a woman is thin, an eating disorder being but one of them.
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Old 02-27-2007, 04:08 AM
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If commercialism was left to those in industry trade and finance - how many sightings do you think we would have of the various royals? Try taking a quick count of the trade delegations spearheaded by a royal, or count all the openings of new plants in the presence of a royal.
All monarchies today use their royals to further their country's economic activities, especially exports. Whether a country's main export article is fashion, electric cars, hair appliances or pet food is irrelevant per se. Having fashion as a major trading area is no more 'disrespectful' to people suffering from eating disorders than exporting hair stuff is disrespectful to bald people.
The slave to fashion thing sounds rather outdated to my ears, excuse me for saying it.
To repeat myself - for some countries fashion is an export article like millions of other export articles.
Sightings: Industry, trade and finance isn't a red carpet event. Royals will do just fine appearing at charitable and cultural events.

Fashion: Ok. Slave may have been too strong of a word.

Per Se - Trade - Disrespectful - Eating Disorder - Your Ears: Don't get me wrong. I like fashion too, I just don't think its should precede royal duties. The importance of fashion in Denmark's ecomony is born out by the numbers.

Royal Delegations & Trade: The US has done quite well as have many other countries that don't have a monarchy. China and India are quickly rising in the world economy with no monarchy.

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Old 02-27-2007, 04:12 AM
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I happen to know a couple women who are really quite thin, but suffer from no eating disorder. Some people have a very high metabolism, so it's a struggle for them to gain weight, and they are constantly being asked if they have anorexia, if they are bulimic.....and they're neither. They just are naturally that thin. This may very well be the case for Letizia and frankly, it's irresponsible to assume she's sick if she's not.

Her weight does not speak for itself as there are many reasons why a woman is thin, an eating disorder being but one of them.
Again, her weight speaks for itself whether it be an eating disorder or a high metabolism.
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Old 02-27-2007, 04:26 AM
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Again, her weight speaks for itself whether it be an eating disorder or a high metabolism.

What does it speak to? The fact she's thin? There are many reasons, as I stated, for why a woman is either thin or heavy. Eating disorders are one reason, but not the only reason. Do you think it's wrong of her to be thin, especially if it's something like a high metabolism which is completely out of her hands?


So I've yet to see just what her weight "speaks to".
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Once essentially an agricultural country and still possessing a visibly rural landscape, Denmark after 1945 greatly expanded its industrial base so that by the 1990s industry contributed over 25% of the gross domestic product and agriculture less than 5% (Denmark's other traditional industries of fishing and shipbuilding have also declined). Financial and other services, trade, transportation, and communication are also important.
The main commodities raised are livestock (pigs, cattle, and poultry), root crops (beets, kohlrabi, and potatoes), and cereals (barley, oats, and wheat). There is a large fishing industry, and Denmark possesses a commercial shipping fleet of considerable size. The leading manufactures include food products (especially meat and dairy goods), chemicals, machinery, metal products (made almost entirely from imported raw materials, since Denmark has practically no mineral resources), electronic and transport equipment, beer, textiles, and paper and wood products. Tourism is also an important industry.
Denmark's main exports are agricultural and industrial machinery, teak and oak furniture, meat, fish, and metals and metal manufactures; the chief imports are machinery, metals, motor vehicles, and fuels. The country's leading trade partners are Germany, Sweden, Great Britain, and other European Union countries as well as the United States. Denmark suffered severe economic problems throughout the 1980s, and in the 1990s it had a high unemployment rate, large public-sector expenses, and a massive foreign debt. However, tight fiscal and monetary policies combined with an increasing export base held some promise of economic recovery.

Couldn't find anything about fashion, but textiles are listed after beer in the order of Demark's manufactures.
The Danish clothing sector has the potential to reach a foundation at the level of New York, Paris, Milan & London. Working in this field, and having travelled to Denmark in correlation to my occupation I can assure you that the fashion sector is thriving and will only continue to produce gross economic benefits.

In 2004, Danish fashion exports totalled approximately 2 Billion euro and that figure has since risen to considerable margins in reflection of incessantly improved productivity (higher consumer demand).

Incase you aren't aware, textiles and fashion is largely a correspondance to the other. The Federation of Danish Textile and Clothing is amongst the premier export oriented subdivisions of the economy and boasts a total export estimate of around 70% of the turnover.

With all due respect, it is clear that you don't know enough about the Danish fashion industry to make the assumption that the Crown Princess can better direct her endorsement.

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Paragrpah 4: Letizia's weight speaks for itself. I truly wish her the best.
Again, letizia's weight is exactly that. There is nothing to suggest that the Princess has suffered from any eating disorder. Any suggestion that she has is purely built upon speculative tabloid trash. I'm sure many of us would join with you in wishing her much happiness.

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It's a pity that "Letizia's weight" has become the topic of discussion, again, in yet another thread.

Rather than tossing purely speculative labels around, can we please move on.

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Sightings: Industry, trade and finance isn't a red carpet event. Royals will do just fine appearing at charitable and cultural events.

Fashion: Ok. Slave may have been too strong of a word.

Per Se - Trade - Disrespectful - Eating Disorder - Your Ears: Don't get me wrong. I like fashion too, I just don't think its should precede royal duties. The importance of fashion in Denmark's ecomony is born out by the numbers.

Royal Delegations & Trade: The US has done quite well as have many other countries that don't have a monarchy. China and India are quickly rising in the world economy with no monarchy.

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...not sure I understand what you mean by 'the importance of fashion in Denmark's economy is born out by the numbers'.

Quin, the mistake you - in my opinion - are making here - is that you keep looking at fashion only in terms of ...well fashion. I am talking about it as an industry - a serious, very serious source of income for Denmark as Madame Royale also pointed out. We don't sell cars in Denmark; we sell agricultural products, Lego and fashion!
It is the financial importance of fashion that has made Mary a patron. If Mary was a passionate butterfly observer, they wouldn't make her a patron of a Danish butterfly observer society counting 20 people. There has to be an economic, cultural or charitable approach to the patronages the royal family undertake; personal likes are not enough.

I couldn't disagree more about our statement 'Royals will do just fine appearing at charitable and cultural events'. Royals are supposed to work for their country, support their countries in whatever endeavour they make. As always, the economy is of huge importance. Culture is too, true, but to say that royals should be confined to only culture and charity is completely wrong in my view and puts an unnecessary restraint on many royals who are keenly interested in their own country's economy. It must be hugely satisfying somehow to know that even if you have a cerimonial position, your time and efforts make a difference. And it does make a difference; royalty sell - and all royals are used to sell their country - one way or the other.
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Charlotte of Monaco.There is a lot of hype around her but she does not look interested in public life.Plus there is no scandals in her life so there is nothing "interesting" about her when it comes to the media.
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