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Old 10-28-2018, 09:06 PM
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Can we please stop arguing about Meghan getting an RFO? It is way too early, and I can't deal with the same arguments back and forth without anything on substance.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:20 PM
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To me the only reason why the Queen might give Meghan the RFO in less time than Kate was if she knew she wasn't going to live that long. In that case I can see the Queen giving it to Meghan earlier than Kate simply so that she has it.

If the Queen was told by the doctor's for instance, that she had six months to live, I can see her ensuring that all her female descendants and Meghan have her RFO.

Otherwise I would expect Meghan to also have to wait for another six or so years.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:31 PM
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Now that the ivory vs glass issue has been solved, we’ll just have to wait and see.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:36 PM
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To me the only reason why the Queen might give Meghan the RFO in less time than Kate was if she knew she wasn't going to live that long. In that case I can see the Queen giving it to Meghan earlier than Kate simply so that she has it.

If the Queen was told by the doctor's for instance, that she had six months to live, I can see her ensuring that all her female descendants and Meghan have her RFO.

Otherwise I would expect Meghan to also have to wait for another six or so years.
Question: Wouldn't Prince Charles as King (once the Queen passes), be able to award the Royal Family Order too?

It's not generally known when a person is going to live or die. Therefore, a scenario where doctors would be informing the Queen in this way is unlikely, unless the Queen takes seriously ill.

So in terms of the Royal Family Order being awarded to Duchess Meghan, it may take a couple more years, or maybe next year after the Sussex baby is born and the Duchess has performed more public duties of a significant nature. Clearly Duchess Meghan has already brought so much of a positive nature to Prince Harry and to his family.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:40 PM
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Question: Wouldn't Prince Charles as King (once the Queen passes), be able to award the Royal Family Order too?
Charles can give his. And likely Meghan will receive his right away. However, he can't give The Queen's. That's why you see some with multiple orders.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:50 PM
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Right. The Queen herself has the RFO from both her father and grandfather. Princess Alexandra and the Queen are the only surviving women to have the RFO from George VI. Princess Alexandra also has the RFO from the Queen.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:17 PM
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Meghan’s royal service started under the reign of The Queen, so she’ll get The Queen’s Family Order. Next will be Charles’s.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:24 PM
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Assuming she gets the RFO before the Queen passes Dman? She wouldn't get the Queen's RFO after that would she?


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Old 10-28-2018, 10:24 PM
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To me the only reason why the Queen might give Meghan the RFO in less time than Kate was if she knew she wasn't going to live that long. In that case I can see the Queen giving it to Meghan earlier than Kate simply so that she has it.

If the Queen was told by the doctor's for instance, that she had six months to live, I can see her ensuring that all her female descendants and Meghan have her RFO.

Otherwise I would expect Meghan to also have to wait for another six or so years.
Umm, I definitely don't think she will be waiting 6 years or so, whether the Queen is still with us or not. Given how impressive she's been in just 5 months, I suspect she will have it within the next 2 to 3 years.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:31 PM
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Exactly. Duchess Meghan I think has brought increased positive interest to the royals from around the world, revenue to Great Britain's economy, and general goodwill toward the monarchy throughout the Commonwealth. Because many people are interested in Meghan, we are learning more about what all of the royals are doing. Plus I think Meghan is a wonderful role model for everyone, including some members of the royal family. In addition, she's been learning and working hard from Day 1 to support and encourage Prince Harry and to do all she can for humanitarian efforts, which has already had an impact on a number of charities. All of this makes an important difference to the Queen and the British monarchy. Above all, Meghan has made Prince Harry supremely happy, which means a lot to his family.

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Charles can give his. And likely Meghan will receive his right away. However, he can't give The Queen's. That's why you see some with multiple orders.
Ah thanks, I see. No doubt then, the Queen will probably wish to extend the RFO to Meghan sometime soon because time is never promised. I do think the Queen is in good health, so maybe within the next two years or so, Meghan will receive the RFO from the Queen.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:44 PM
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As much as I wonder what the queen’s current guidelines are for when to give the order, I also wonder how clear her reasoning is to the family. Has she vocalized a hard and fast rule of some sort so everyone in the fold knows why Kate got hers and why Princess Michael doesn’t have one, or are they presented as a complete surprise and mystery to them, too? I doubt we’ll ever know...

She has clearly changed her approach over time, though. I would offer that there is a possibility that she might not need anything as dire as a bad diagnosis to potentially speed up her granting of RFOs *if* she feels like the idea of knowing her order worn by certain women in the years after her passing, or taking some kind of satisfaction of her own in seeing them wear it, becomes as important to her as the concept of using the RFO to mark a woman reaching some sort of milestone seems to have been. It’s just seems like a shift in thinking that could potentially come with thoughts of needing to just take life in the moment rather than betting on there being years or decades left to come. Not out of any sense of morbidity, just a matter-of-fact acceptance that the scale of what time is left to her is very different from anything she’s experienced before, so might as well not bother waiting with things that have a low level of risk like handing out orders.

But that totally depends on how she thinks of the RFOs, what it means to her to give them and and what she gets or enjoys from granting them to a family member.
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:46 PM
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I doubt her own mortality is playing a part. I mean she is 92. It's not like she's been a spring chicken for the past 7 years. She gives them when she wants to. Not a moment before.
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Old 10-28-2018, 11:43 PM
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Assuming she gets the RFO before the Queen passes Dman? She wouldn't get the Queen's RFO after that would she?


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Likely, because she started her royal career “full-time” under Elizabeth II. I don’t think it’s going to take very long for her to get it.
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Old 10-29-2018, 12:03 AM
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Assuming she gets the RFO before the Queen passes Dman? She wouldn't get the Queen's RFO after that would she?


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Once the Queen dies her RFO can't be given to anyone else. The monarch has to be alive for their RFO to be given.

If Meghan doesn't get it before the Queen passes she won't get Elizabeth's.

She will get Charles and probably William's and maybe even George's.
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Old 10-29-2018, 12:12 AM
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Once the Queen dies her RFO can't be given to anyone else. The monarch has to be alive for their RFO to be given.

If Meghan doesn't get it before the Queen passes she won't get Elizabeth's.

She will get Charles and probably William's and maybe even George's.
Oh that’s right, but she’ll get it before then.
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Old 10-29-2018, 12:21 AM
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Did you personally ask HM about giving the RFO to Meghan? Don't assume something, bad idea for then it rarely happens. HM will do as HM wants regardless of anyone here or elsewhere when it comes to anything pertaining to the royal family. Catherine had to wait 7 years, please correct me if I am wrong, she worked and learned and became the wife of William without fail, the same should be done for all female members whom HM wants to give the RFO to, but then that decision if up to HM, not me....
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Old 10-29-2018, 12:49 AM
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Did you personally ask HM about giving the RFO to Meghan? Don't assume something, bad idea for then it rarely happens. HM will do as HM wants regardless of anyone here or elsewhere when it comes to anything pertaining to the royal family. Catherine had to wait 7 years, please correct me if I am wrong, she worked and learned and became the wife of William without fail, the same should be done for all female members whom HM wants to give the RFO to, but then that decision if up to HM, not me....
She’s gonna get it, don’t you worry.

I think it would be nice if Charles commissioned a sash and star for his family order as well.
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Old 10-29-2018, 12:54 AM
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Do we really need to start arguing about if/when Meghan is going to receive the RFO?
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Old 10-29-2018, 01:12 AM
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She’s gonna get it, don’t you worry.

I think it would be nice if Charles commissioned a sash and star for his family order as well.
I am not worried at all for I in my own opinion here, do not think Meghan deserves it at this point in her life, after all what has she done to deserve it, marry Harry....LOL....so maybe a letter to HM or Prince Charles telling them how they should run the Firm is in order perhaps? I thought the royal family was doing a pretty darn good job of running things without outsiders telling them what to do all the time........we have lots of dreamers here with assumptions, not substance, but dreams. Things will happen in the royal families own good time, as it always does, not before!
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Old 10-29-2018, 03:31 AM
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Do we really need to start arguing about if/when Meghan is going to receive the RFO?
Apparently, yes...I think with the DoCambridge wearing hers, people are missing the long winded discussion about hers and have moved on to the next candidate

I do wonder why Princess Michael never got one (assuming she'd wear it if she had), but i don't think she will anymore

Imo QEII treats most royal activities very businesslike, so my guess there is some thought behind who gets it, but we aren't likely to find out soon what
(i do agree with previous posts who noticed that she used to give it quite soon, but changed in the 80's; imo the divorces of her various children she considered as a disappointment to the Firm)
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