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Old 12-23-2007, 06:53 PM
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Wow...so much animosity over a bunch of pictures.

Anyway, I love all the photos. Fred and Mary are such a beautiful couple and they have two beautiful children. I hope they can just ignore all the rumours about them, because they are just a natural, beautiful family. They should have nothing to worry about. I don't see anything forced about their pictures, just a couple in love with one another.

Isabella's hair seems to have lightened up :) It seems Christian and Felix will be the family blondes, and Nikolai and Isabella will be the brunettes! Also, about the tree, it might be the children's tree. In my family, we have a big tree to put presents under, and then the little kids get to decorate their own small tree, so maybe that's what they did, especially so that a huge tree wouldn't dwarf the family during the photoshoot.
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Old 12-23-2007, 06:57 PM
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The same supporters of TCP are no different than those who say negative things about Mary and Frederik. It's unfortunate that both sides cannot see that.
Those who support the couple are tolerant of them, and those who don't are not, fair enough. It only gets tricky when the two sides try to understand where each is coming from. It does not have to be unfortunate if we measure our words!

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As for the 34 photos and extensive interview, I don't think it was necessary. Simplicity is stronger in the end.
I personally agree with you. It's seems they had a different approach, they'll tell their own story rather than let the tabloids make it up.

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Finally, I want to thank those for participating in an interesting as well as thoughtful discussion so far. Keep it up.
Yeah!!!

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I concur. Adding more to the bonfire than necessary. The more one (specifically they) puts out there the more the masses will begin to speculate and question as well as ask themselves, "Why?"

Who knows, maybe they are hiding something.


I officially don't know what I'm doing, sorry.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:18 PM
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Jeez, it's Christmas guys! Can't we just look at some nice photos without negative thoughts for a change?

Some of the photos are very nice, some of them are a little so-so IMO. Is that their real Christmas tree? If so, why is it so small?
The captions on the pictures state that this is the Christmas tree for Christian and Isabella.

I'm not getting into a debate on too much or too little - given that people complained about a lack of pictures around Christian's birthday, as well as Danes complaining about a lack of interviews from Mary and Frederik, I'd expect happiness that photos and interview were issued around Christmas time instead, but I suppose one cannot please everybody.

As for the interview, I don't think they revealed too much, it does read just like any interview with Haakon and Mette-Marit - and, quite honestly, it did not seem as a retort to Villemann's book to me - she is not the only one, by far, who has mentioned Frederik's childhood - and in the context it was said - ie. raising their own children, it made perfect sense. When Villemann's book was brought up - by the journalist - they declined to comment on the book in particular, although they had some comments about stories being made up about them in the press.

If anything, to me, it seems like the Danish monarchy is moving in the same directions as the Norwegian, by the younger generation being a bit more down-to-earth than the older. It has been mentioned that the royal houses [organizations and families]*converse, and this does seem a bit like the interview and photos around Sverre Magnus' christening
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:20 PM
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Wow...so much animosity over a bunch of pictures.
I disagree. It is simply a discussion that has filled the last page and a half rather than empty posts, that's all. If one looks at this discussion as a negative, from the beginning, then that will be the outcome, from their perspective, in the end.

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I officially don't know what I'm doing, sorry.
I'm not sure what you mean, but I do appreciate your opinions that you posted before.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:23 PM
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no, no, I can't seem to work the quotes correctly for some reason. Everything ended up together.
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Yes, I finally noticed that. Don't worry about it, I understand.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:40 PM
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I'm not getting into a debate on too much or too little - given that people complained about a lack of pictures around Christian's birthday, as well as Danes complaining about a lack of interviews from Mary and Frederik, I'd expect happiness that photos and interview were issued around Christmas time instead, but I suppose one cannot please everybody.

As for the interview, I don't think they revealed too much, it does read just like any interview with Haakon and Mette-Marit - and, quite honestly, it did not seem as a retort to Villemann's book to me - she is not the only one, by far, who has mentioned Frederik's childhood - and in the context it was said - ie. raising their own children, it made perfect sense. When Villemann's book was brought up - by the journalist - they declined to comment on the book in particular, although they had some comments about stories being made up about them in the press.

If anything, to me, it seems like the Danish monarchy is moving in the same directions as the Norwegian, by the younger generation being a bit more down-to-earth than the older. It has been mentioned that the royal houses [organizations and families]*converse, and this does seem a bit like the interview and photos around Sverre Magnus' christening
I think you are right here Norwegianne.

(not referrring to your post Norwegianne) - I just don't get this thread I must say that I agree with dee 4855 (#150) that there seems to be double standards for the young CP couples
I think that it is great if the Danes get a photo session of the CP couple and their young children just as they get in Norway - why is it suddenly staged and unnatural if F&M do it? And how does the argument about this being in reaction to that inconsequential book by Trine Willemann come into the equation? True, she got her limelight and her easy money - so what? Socalled 'royal experts' in all monarchies make these kind of 'scandalous' books about various royals - and the books are forgotten just as quickly. Judging from some of the posts here one would think that Trine WIllemann and her book is still a hot topic in every second Danish home - that has totally escaped my notice I'm afraid . To me, it seems that TW's book mostly lives on royalty boards (and probably in her own blog). As Norwegianna says it is not as if F&M goes into a lengthy discussion about that book in the interview; they are asked a question, answer is and the interview moves on. IMO, it is such a pity and wholly unnecessary to link the interview and the photos to that one book.

Does anyone know when this interview was first discussed and scheduled with Berlingske Tidende?

I will save my copy of Berlingske today and read the rest of the interview in the Christmas days - and enjoy the photos.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:54 PM
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Hmm, but honestly I don´t remember, that MM&Haakon did such an long interview (maybe the Mette Marit book would have told more, but some wise move did prevent that) And IMO there was actually a lot of the media criticism discussed. E.g. Frederik´s loonely childhood, bad press itsself, being too much into fashion...
I can just recommend everyone to self read it (or to hope for a complete translation) and to watch the development resulting out of it.
With the Swedish Royals I am often enjoying interviews, but at the same time, they often "frustrate" me and make the Royals more ordinary. Esp. if they are discussing the Monarchy itself
The more years, I am Royalwatching, the more I am admiring the British Queen for her wisdom not to get extended interviews on this&that done! Courts don´t work like the managers behind the career of some docu soap starlets. For them also bad news are good news. For Royals it´s IMO better to keep a low profile and to get some subtle hints of "glory&harmony" into the game. "Defence" is IMO at least the worst strategy, they can get into.

BTW I am wondering, if actually really many danes were dreaming of such an interview. I am remembering a journalist criticising them for it. But I guess he would have rather wanted some news

I´ve noted of late some positive tendencies in Mary´s and Frederik´s approach to work. It seems they have changed their minds a bit and got some PR help (this Lis woman is gone, isn´t she), but today (or whenever this interview and couple shooting was done) this PR department "overshot" things a bit...and IMO it would have been wiser to simply follow traditions (Xmas card) and to let future deeds speak. Words of defence and these pics were a bit too much. This doesn´t mean, that I can´t see, that the interview is interesting and the pics for some ppl nice.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:02 PM
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... Lovely to see them including ziggy in the pictures
I very much liked that too. Ziggy is a real part of the family, there's something very reassuring about how well these people are treating their pet.
Mary looked incredible - loved her elegant yet simple winter coat. Nothing overdone, just simple elegance, love it.

Little Christian is very cute too, Isabella looks like her grandma on some pictures!
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:08 PM
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...(this Lis woman is gone, isn´t she)...
Yes she will leave her present job early in 2008; we all just have to bear this heavy loss as best we can ....
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:13 PM
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I loved the new photo's.

It's so great to see how the children are growing. Isabella has changed so much. Christmas is such an exciting time when you have children that age. I remember it well.
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:27 PM
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What a wonderful time to give an interview and do a photo montage. After all the moaning about the private birthday events, this was worth the wait. It is nice to see little Isabella and how she appears to be the spitting image of her father, his genes certainly do dominate in his offspring!

Like the pictures taken during the first year, this latest set is once again appealing to those of us who like this couple. I got the same warm feeling as I did when Phillipe and Mathilde did their family montage a year or two ago.
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love the new pics! Isabella and christian are so cute!
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:07 PM
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With all due respect what you are confused about?

The discussion, so far, is varied with members expressing their opinions regarding today's photos. There will be some who disagree with their fellow members assessment of the photos, but why should anyone knock them for it? Or note that they wrong for having an opinion that is vastly different from the rest of the readers? You also noted the "double standard" theory, UD, but from my perspective I don't see it at all. And that's okay.

Second, not everyone sees these latest photos as being "staged", and if that is their opinion of the situation shouldn't others at least respect it? Then if they want, they could counterargue it.

Third, I think it's important to have a discussion rather than this, or any other topic, filled with empty posts. I'm sure there are some members who would agree.

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And how does the argument about this being in reaction to that inconsequential book by Trine Willemann come into the equation?
There have been several references to Trine swirling on the 'Net.

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True, she got her limelight and her easy money - so what? Socalled 'royal experts' in all monarchies make these kind of 'scandalous' books about various royals - and the books are forgotten just as quickly
I disagree with you. That book was one of the first, within this new decade, to seriously question the Danish monarchy. Is it a blasphemous thing to question their status (place in today's society) in the 21st century? Of course not. Does that mean that book will go away and everyone will forget about? No, not in my opinion; however, there will be those who will continue to lamblast that book, which is their right, but to say that it will fade into oblivion essentially isn't valid.

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Judging from some of the posts here one would think that Trine WIllemann and her book is still a hot topic in every second Danish home - that has totally escaped my notice I'm afraid
Of course not, UD, that's an over exaggeration. However, if someone brings it up, again, people will respond to it.


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As Norwegianna says it is not as if F&M goes into a lengthy discussion about that book in the interview
Of course not, their supposed to dodge that question or briefly acknowledge it and then move on, which is what they did.


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IMO, it is such a pity and wholly unnecessary to link the interview and the photos to that one book.
Not everyone did. Perhaps for some it was a culmination of events that led up to it.


I understand and respect your opinion, UD, but I think it's healthy to discuss things, even if it's over silly photos. Otherwise, what is the point of a discussion board?


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Old 12-23-2007, 10:59 PM
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Love the pictures, love the family, love the interview. People see what they wish. Personally, I think they are great! They should continue upon the path they are on and not change a thing.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:53 AM
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Just really love this family. They look united and beautiful. Plus its the first time we see Isabella with her brother and mom and dad. The pictures look great.
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I'm often amused at how my unoffensive yet supportive comments, no matter the length, are occasionally stricken from the exchange.

The photo's are great. A beautiful family and from the interview (though I've always believed it) I gather they share the same common values as many, myself included.

Isabella is certainly the granddaughter of Margrethe II. There is no mistaking that..hehe..And when looking at Isabella and Christian, it's easy to see just how much Christian resembles his mum.
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:31 AM
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May I refer you to TRF Empty Post Rule, Madame Royale:


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Empty posts are very short replies which add no value to the thread and do not contribute to or advance the discussion. Since these posts interrupt the flow of discussion, the moderators routinely remove them.


For further reading please click here.



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Old 12-24-2007, 04:04 AM
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...which add no value to the thread and do not contribute to or advance the discussion
Oh! Then I've seen many empty posts, yet they've contained around 100 words or more...hmm...hehe...j/k.

Thanks for that, GT

I'm quite fond of the decor in Mary and Frederik's private family apartments too. The perceived ambience suit's them.
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Old 12-24-2007, 03:05 PM
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Yes, however, some may view it as making the situation[s] slightly worse. Already people, for and against, note that the interview along with the happy family and couple photos seems out of place/dare I say forced (which may be too harsh of a word, in my opinion.) Do you understand what I mean? If that is their silent tool, as you stated, some may view it as having back fired.

Perhaps the Crown Prince couple should not have released the 34 new photos along with an extensive interview addressing negative allegations, Frederik's horrible childhood, and so on.

From my perspective, it would have been better to release one or two photos of the family as well as addressing specific issues (i.e. how the kids are doing, etc.) To discuss anything more is going a bit overboard.

Sometimes it is best to be simple or not to say anything at all; just a brief "We're doing well and thank you for the well wishes, we appreciate it." Instead of going into an extensive diatribe.

Please don't get me wrong, as an American I admire and support the DRF and have been interested in them for a long time; so please don't take my thoughts as a negative.

I completely agree. I just got done looking at the photos at DRW site. Beautiful pics, don't get me wrong. But the pics brought back reasons why I sometimes am not all that fond of this couple. I have changed my opinions on them over recent months and I have no problem with them for the most part. And it is common with most of these royal couples to photo shoots such as this. But it was a little overboard with this couple. The pictures of just them as a couple and then the pictures of the family all lovely but too much. I'm not necessarily speaking about the amount of pics because the Dutch cp's gave 60(I think). To me it's the way they are posing and the things they are doing, its just a little too over the top. Rehearsed! Are they trying to remind us they are still together and in love? That's what I was thinking when looking at the pics, simply too over the top in my opinion.
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