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Old 03-07-2013, 05:00 PM
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Today, all the Monarchist organization, the media, and even the Government recognize Prince Luiz as the Head of Imperial House.
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The Brazilian Constitution recognizes no Imperial House.
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The Brazilian Constitution recognizes no Imperial House.
I don't think I wrote the word "Constitution".
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Why would the government care one way or the other?
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:12 PM
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Why would the government care one way or the other?
I don't know why, but this is not happening only in Brazil.

King Michael is recognized by the Romanian Government, the Duke of Braganza is recognized by the Portuguese Governement, the same goes for Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia and Prince Leka of Albania. I see no reason for that's not happening with the Head of the Brazilian Imperial House.

Here, in Brazil, we are seen a kind of revitalization of the Imperial Period, and, since, 2008, members of the Imperial Family are been invited to take part in some official events.

Things like that are not only with the deposed European Royals, it's also happening in Brazil.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:15 PM
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The Government of Brazil recognizes no Imperial Family, neither does our Constitution. Of course the Goverment respects the descendents of our previous King and Emprerors, regardless of the branch they belong to. And that is all. 99 per cent of the population don't even know who D. Gastâo is. When there was a plebiscite for the Brazilian people to choose the form of Government they wanted, it was made very clear that no person was being appointed then to be the eventual king and that that matter was going to be resolved later if Monarchy was chosen. Neither of the branches make the front page on the newspapers and prime time news on tv. The only time they made big news was in 2008 when Brazil celebrated 200 years of the coming of the royal family to Brazil when Napoleon troups invaded Portugal. What the Brazilians are learning to do is to respect our past and previous King and Emperors due to new studies and researches done by respected scholars and writers.
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In fact, there's a kind of recognition by the Government. When Prince Luiz gave an interview to "TV Câmara" he was introduced as the Head of the Imperial House. Well, "TV Câmara" is the offical channel of the Chamber of Deputies of the Brazilian Congress.

Also, in 2008, the Government invited Prince Luiz, as the Head of the Imperial House, and Prince Bertrand, as the Prince Imperial, to take part in official celebration of 200th anniversary of the Portugueses Royal Family arrival in Brazil. During those events, they receive the Duke and Duchess of Braganza.

Prince Antônio and his daughter, Princess Maria Gabriela, represented the Imperial Family in the anniversary of Emperor Pedro I's statue, in Rio de Janeiro (an official event). Prince Antônio is always invited to represent the Imperial Family in events of Emperor's Batallion..

And that thing of the Congress deciding who will be the Emperor is one of the most ridiculous things I ever heard in my life.
That was one of the many things the Republican Government made in order to disrupt the Monarchist Campaign.
Why messing up with the Line of Succession, if the heir to Throne is, clearly, Prince Luiz?
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:25 PM
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...And that thing of the Congress deciding who will be the Emperor is one of the most ridiculous things I ever heard in my life.
Well, that's what happens in democracies, the elected representatives like to have a say in matters of state.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:34 PM
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Well, that's what happens in democracies, the elected representatives like to have a say in matters of state.
If we end up with an elected Emperor, it's better to remain with the Republic.

What's undemocratic in the lawful heir to the Throne becoming the Monarch?
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:58 PM
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Well, the Parliament in England ruled out the Catholic Stuarts so I guess the Brazilian Congress could do pretty much what they felt like (or what they thought their electors wanted them to do)....
And I would say D. Gastão is not the lawful heir, albeit being the rightful.
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Well, the Parliament in England ruled out the Catholic Stuarts so I guess the Brazilian Congress could do pretty much what they felt like (or what they thought their electors wanted them to do)....
And I would say D. Gastão is not the lawful heir, albeit being the rightful.
I don't think that what the Parliament of England has done in 18th century would be considered a very democratic act today.

As Prince Antônio always says: "The best Emperor will always be the heir." When you start to messing up with the Line of Succession, you end up with a "Crowned Republic."

And why Prince Luiz isn't the lawful heir?
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:49 AM
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And why Prince Luiz isn't the lawful heir?
There is no Brazilian law stating he is the heir, is there?
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:42 AM
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There is no Brazilian law stating he is the heir, is there?
Well, as it's impossible for a Republican Constitution to have an law regarding Monarchical succession, we, the Monarchist, and the Imperial Family, are based in the Imperial Constitution of 1824, and, according to it, Prince Luiz is the rightful heir of the Brazilian Throne.
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So, we are beating around the bush here. As I stated before he is the rightful heir not the lawful.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:02 PM
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So, we are beating around the bush here. As I stated before he is the rightful heir not the lawful.
It depends of your point of view. If we take the Imperial Constitution of 1824 as reference, Prince Luiz is the lawful and rightful heir. But, for the actual Constitution, no one is the heir, because there's no Throne.

Sabe, é muito estranho ter que conversar em inglês com outro brasileiro. Ainda mais sendo a Família Imperial do Brasil o assunto do qual estamos tratando.
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É bom para praticarmos o inglês... risos
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Since the empire was abolished about 120 years ago why would Brazilians ever want it back? It is not as if there is any one is still alive who can remember the "good old days" of empire. What benefit would there be to the Brazilian people in a restoration of a long gone monarchy? The benefit to the Braganzas is obvious.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:21 PM
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Since the empire was abolished about 120 years ago why would Brazilians ever want it back? It is not as if there is any one is still alive who can remember the "good old days" of empire. What benefit would there be to the Brazilian people in a restoration of a long gone monarchy? The benefit to the Braganzas is obvious.
Quite simple, the Monarchy was the "Golden Age" of Brazil, the country was the 4th of the world's most developed country, our people were respect everywere.

The Republic endend with all that. It's was proclaimed without any public support, and comes up holding with coups, corruption and scandals.

From 1891 to 1988, be a Monarchist was illegal. Since 1988, the Monarchist are trying to show people that Monarchy is better. In 1993 we had a good result in the referendum (13% after 97 years of persecution and lies told by the Republicans).

Today, the Monarchist Moviment is getting strong, little by little. As for benefits, there will be more for the Brazilian people. We had one of the less expensive Courts in the world. Today, the Presidents costs five times more than the British Monarchy.
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I don't think that what the Parliament of England has done in 18th century would be considered a very democratic act today.
Parliaments represent the will of the people. That is the very essence of a democratically-elected parliamentary system of government.

Most of the parliaments of the monarchies in Europe have, over the past decade or so, changed their country's traditional laws of succession, just as the British parliament is about to do. Agree with these changes or not, but under a constitutional monarchy the will of the parliament is supreme.
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Parliaments represent the will of the people. That is the very essence of a democratically-elected parliamentary system of government.

Most of the parliaments of the monarchies in Europe have, over the past decade or so, changed their country's traditional laws of succession, just as the British parliament is about to do. Agree with these changes or not, but under a constitutional monarchy the will of the parliament is supreme.
The last thing the Brazilian Congress does is represent the will of the people .

And there's a huge difference between change the law to guarantee that firstborn, regardless of genders, succeds to the Throne, and change who is the reightful heir to the Throne.

As Prince Antônio always says, "the best Emperor will always be the rightful heir."
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Prince Antonio of Brazil takes part in solidary action to help orphans

It was a huge success the solidary action at St. Rita of Cascia's Orphanage, Rio de Janeiro, on April 6. Prince Antonio of Brazil, Luiz Mantovini and other volunteers made the happiness of the 80 girls assisted by Franciscan Sisters of the Congregation of Our Lady.

Full article (in portuguese): Monarquia Já: Príncipe Dom Antonio de Orleans e Bragança comparece a ação solidária em Orfanato do Rio de Janeiro
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