King Carl Gustaf Controversy: 2010-2011

[nascarlucy]

The King will keep his crown after all is said and done.

 

[Mermaid1962]

Why do you think that, Lucy? I think that people are willing to put up with a sexually indiscrete monarch, but one that lies to them? I'm curious as to your reasoning.

 

[nascarlucy]

People are generally forgiving about these matters, regardless of whether their family forgives them or not. World leaders, people in public office and celebs are forgiven all the time for similar type things and even worse things than this. That's doesn't make what they've done right but that's the way that it is. That's my reasoning.

 

[Mermaid1962]

I see your point. In the end, what will decide things is how the politicians in Sweden feel about it. They're the ones who can force an abdication, if it comes to that.

 

[jemagre]

People are generally forgiving about these matters, regardless of whether their family forgives them or not. World leaders, people in public office and celebs are forgiven all the time for similar type things and even worse things than this. That's doesn't make what they've done right but that's the way that it is. That's my reasoning.

I agree. I would also add that when you look back on all of the King's reign doses the good out weigh the bad? If so then I am sure he will survive but of course some who supported him will turn against him. As for his marriage I remember how he was with Silva and I felt it was genuine. Maybe she knows parts of it or all of it. I guess what I am saying is that it is possible that she forgave him. On the other hand I have heard reports suggesting the Queen/family is angry at him.

 

[efraimsdotter]

I'm so happy that Victoria chose a regular guy who was brought up far away from this upper class tradition of infidelities and sex parties.

I think he is, as someone said earlier, a strong shoulder to lean on in this situation.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

People are generally forgiving about these matters, regardless of whether their family forgives them or not. World leaders, people in public office and celebs are forgiven all the time for similar type things and even worse things than this. That's doesn't make what they've done right but that's the way that it is. That's my reasoning.

They might forgive, but they are losing trust. Is there anyone out there today believing what politicians say - no, for exactly that reason.

CG might get away, much will depend on if he choses to come clean or will explain or not. If he continues to ignore and will get away, people will just become fed up with the institution the same way they are already fed up with the political system.

And Victoria is not superwoman, I doubt she can make up for it, she only has little impact, like her father, rather absent siblings and lots of things to worry about on her shoulders.

 

[Sunnystar]

They might forgive, but they are losing trust. Is there anyone out there today believing what politicians say - no, for exactly that reason.

CG might get away, much will depend on if he choses to come clean or will explain or not. If he continues to ignore and will get away, people will just become fed up with the institution the same way they are already fed up with the political system.

And Victoria is not superwoman, I doubt she can make up for it, she only has little impact, like her father, rather absent siblings and lots of things to worry about on her shoulders.

I have to agree with your assessment of Victoria. I like her, don't get me wrong, but she's no Queen Elizabeth II, at least not yet and she won't be for a good many decades. When all the troubles in early to mid '90s hit the British RF a large part of what carried them through, especially in the Commonwealth nations, was the great love and respect the people had for Elizabeth's selfless service. She'd already been on the throne forty years and people weren't inclined to punish her for the sins of her children. Even to this day, there is still a fair degree of sentiment against Charles ascending to the throne once his mother passes on.

While there might be a great deal of respect and admiration for Victoria by the Swedish people, she's not yet become Queen, so they wouldn't be taking anything from her if they chose to become a republic instead. Do I think that will happen? Not a clue. Only time will give us that answer but I don't think it's a slam dunk that the Swedish monarchy is safe even if CG abdicates in favor of Victoria.

 

[Esmerelda]

According to a new poll, 35% of Swedes have little or no faith in the King, 30% support him and the rest are ambivalent. 32% want Victoria to take over the throne. The Monarchy still has the support of 56% of the population.
http://m.thelocal.se/37778/20111207/

 

[CSENYC]

56% approval of the monarchy is awfully low.

Being King of Sweden just has to be one of the best jobs in the world- no stressful responsibilities vs. high prestige and benefits. How could anyone be so stupid as to totally screw up by doing what the King did?

 

[Mermaid1962]

If the allegations are true, I don't think that the problem is stupidity. There seems to be a huge sense of entitlement there as well as a lack of honestly and loyalty.

 

[HRHHermione]

I have to agree with your assessment of Victoria. I like her, don't get me wrong, but she's no Queen Elizabeth II, at least not yet and she won't be for a good many decades.

Neither was Queen Elizabeth herself when she took the throne at age 25

I think Victoria would be capable, and she seems to be pretty well loved.

 

[Sunnystar]

Neither was Queen Elizabeth herself when she took the throne at age 25

I think Victoria would be capable, and she seems to be pretty well loved.

The circumstances of why Queen Elizabeth ascended the throne at age 25 are far different than the circumstances would be if Victoria were to ascend the throne in the immediate future. One cannot compare the death of a beloved monarch with the abdication of a shamed monarch.

More comparable would be George VI's unexpected ascension upon Edward VIII's abdication.

 

[maria-olivia]

There are such a few Monarchs in Europe and an Abdication of the King of Sweden for personal affairs would be bad.
In Belgian The KIng only him not his Consort is above the Laws.
Leopold III choice to abdicate because during a Manifestation for «*la Question Royale*» 3 persons sadly died at Grace H. (Walonia).

 

[LadyFinn]

At Expressen Extra:
After the latest scandal rumors
Silvia devastated
"She is approaching the pain threshold"
The king is forced to break up with his friends
https://cdnstatic.expressen.se/polo...323327409969_slot100slotWide75ArticleFull.jpg

Until the book of Mille Markovic is published, we just have to wait, if there are different photos. Markovic showed yesterday unmanipulated photos to Aftonbladet and said that they will be published later.
Mille Markovic: Därför manipulerade jag dem | Nyheter | Aftonbladet

 

[jemagre]

At Expressen Extra:
After the latest scandal rumors
Silvia devastated
"She is approaching the pain threshold"
The king is forced to break up with his friends
http://cdnstatic.expressen.se/polop...323327409969_slot100slotWide75ArticleFull.jpg

I wonder how much is true and how much is driven by a business desperate to make sells. I am not saying there is not genuine cause for concern. My feeling is about wether the media is doing its job by trying to get the truth or are they just doing it for money.

 

[Esmerelda]

Lettstrom says he 'lied to the criminals out of fear' and was not acting on behalf of the King.
http://m.thelocal.se/37814/20111208/

 

[Mermaid1962]

This is good news for the king. However, one niggling question reminds, to my mind: If there was absolutely no possibility of there being a genuine picture "out there", why did the king's friend negotiate with a gangster to get a hold of it?

 

[Bine221]

Until the book of Mille Markovic is published, we just have to wait, if there are different photos. Markovic showed yesterday unmanipulated photos to Aftonbladet and said that they will be published later.
Mille Markovic: Därför manipulerade jag dem | Nyheter | Aftonbladet

Hmmm, very strange.... why is he showing MANIPULATED pic first and later claims, he has another UNMANIPULATED pics, which he wants to show in this book..... makes no sense at all..... he must know, that they will be comprehensively examined.....
Really nonsense, this behaviour!
BYe Bine

 

[kathia_sophia]

There are such a few Monarchs in Europe and an Abdication of the King of Sweden for personal affairs would be bad.
In Belgian The KIng only him not his Consort is above the Laws.
Leopold III choice to abdicate because during a Manifestation for «*la Question Royale*» 3 persons sadly died at Grace H. (Walonia).

i undertand your point. but lets imagine if this issues just get worse and worse as years pass and the King's image is so damaged to the point of his own population hating him and waiting to him to abdicate. will he really abdicate the throne to Victoria? even if he would do that, he will need to wait for Victoria's children to be big enough to elevate the royal status and duties such as the baby to come to be the next crown prince(ss)

 

[XeniaCasaraghi]

To anyone who lives in Sweden has this whole affair business died down? In America we of course get no information about Sweden or the monarchy so all I have to go by is this board.
I have been lead to believe that personal lives don't dictate whether a person should of shouldn't keep their job like it does in the U.S.

 

[tommy100]

i undertand your point. but lets imagine if this issues just get worse and worse as years pass and the King's image is so damaged to the point of his own population hating him and waiting to him to abdicate. will he really abdicate the throne to Victoria? even if he would do that, he will need to wait for Victoria's children to be big enough to elevate the royal status and duties such as the baby to come to be the next crown prince(ss)

I know much of the fuss has now died down but I think there was never any real possibility of the King Abdicating. Look at hwo unpopular Queen Victoria of GB was at parts of her reign or QE2 was after Diana died. I think the Swedish Court would always just work on until these incidents were forgotten.
However I don't see why they would have had to wait for Victoria's children to be older, Victoria and Daniel could have taken over most of the duties with support from the rest of the family. I'm sure Silvia could have carried on had she wanted to and Carl Philip could have taken over more duties.
I'm not saying there would have been an abdication but I don't think that would have been a reason to stop it.

 

[Josefine]

with all this it seems for that silvia stands by his side and support him the best she can
photo from his birthday

 

[grevinnan]

With counselling and a strong desire of both parties married couples can move on and re-capture the love that was the reason they got married in the first place. There has never been any indication that the king has had more than the one infidelity and although it certainly happened some of the "facts" turned out to be false and/or non-existing.

It appears the King and Queen has moved on and their relationship seems harmonious and they certainly spend lots of time alone travelling just the two of them. Congratulations to them for being willing to do the very hard work of working through the difficult times and again enjoy their many years of relationship.

 

[Josefine]

i agree, if we look at other royal couples like sofia and juan carlos , i would say this marrige is more solid, they have vaccations togather and seems to enjoy one and other

 

[MagMil]

With counselling and a strong desire of both parties married couples can move on and re-capture the love that was the reason they got married in the first place. There has never been any indication that the king has had more than the one infidelity and although it certainly happened some of the "facts" turned out to be false and/or non-existing.

It appears the King and Queen has moved on and their relationship seems harmonious and they certainly spend lots of time alone travelling just the two of them. Congratulations to them for being willing to do the very hard work of working through the difficult times and again enjoy their many years of relationship.

Great post

 

[LadyFinn]

Daniel Webb tells in his book (and Aftonbladet writes about it) that the king partied with an unknown mafia boss Dragan Joksovic in early spring in the mid 90's.
In his book "Livvakten/The Bodyguard" Daniel Webb describes how the mafia boss and club owner, Dragan Joksovic, said to him: "Can you be here as back-up at the door tonight? The king comes here." A few hours later, the head of state came in the company of Joksovic through the door between their SAPO-guards.
-They had some laughing girls, escort girls, scantily clad ladies, too. So what has been said is true, the king communed with scantily clad ladies, I have seen it myself. Daniel Webb writes in his book that the king, the mafia boss and women were upstairs a few hours.
- But what happened in there, nobody knows. I wanted to my nose in and look a bit more, but it had seemed frivolous. There were no cameras, says Daniel Webb.
Var god vän med kungen” | Nyheter | Aftonbladet

 

[NGalitzine]

So in other words he can write what he wants but he cannot prove it?

 

[MagMil]

So in other words he can write what he wants but he cannot prove it?

Looks like that.Everyone can write what he want .... just for little spotlight

 

[Meraude]

There have been found fake 1 crown coins with a defaming text about the king here in Sweden, I suspect the reason for these coins is the subject of this thread: Kunglig smädelse på enkrona - Sverige - Corren.se - Östergötlands största nyhetssajt