Prince Albert & Charlene Wittstock Wedding Suggestions & Musings

[melina premiere]

At a moment, I tought that she belongs to anglican religion because there are many anglican persons in South Africa and her grandfather(the father of her mother was english)

 

[Nathalie Cox]

In the first interview of Prince Albert and Charlene, the first question of the reporter about the religion on Charlene was in french and here many persons did not understand our language but Charlene understood, she awswered in French( the proof she learns and understands french)Je suis chretiene. Prince Albert said as Monseigneur Barsi said" there is no rule, this is thinghs we will see further. He said this in french.It is the proof she will convert soon before or after the wedding? they must have speak about that and he knows that Charlene will convert otherwise he would have not answer this in a public interview.

Errr! wrong! She made a face like she didn't understand or didn't know how to answer and said: "Je suis christian" and then PPDA said: "chretiene?" and then Charlene said: "yeah..." (like whatever). A proof that Charlene doesn't speak it very well. I mean, c'mon! When she was trying to speak french there were subtitles in french! Because it wasn't understanble what she was saying (or trying to say)

Probably Charlene will convert, but for now, she seems like she is protestant.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Unless that person belongs to a so-called non-denominational church. These are independent churches that don't align themselves with a particular denomination. They would consider themselves within the evangelical fold, but evangelicalism is a particular approach to doctrine and practice and not a denomination in itself.

Hi Mermaid...the so called non-denominational churches may of course CALL themselves that...but in belief and practice they are Protestant.

They do not observe Catholic feasts or Holy Days such as the Assumption of the Virgin on Aug 15.

Most if not all of them are Sola Scriptura (they accept only the New Testament for doctrinal authority)...even Catholic evangelicals reject Sola Scriptura. It is a Protestant doctrine that was unheard of before the Reformation.

The so called non denominational churches do not accept Seven Sacraments as valid, as do Catholic and Orthodox.

Again, though they are indeed Christian, they are PROTESTANT Christians in both belief and practice.

 

[Mermaid1962]

Yes, I know they (the non-denominational churches) are Protestant. I was making the point that there are churches that don't fit into the standard Protestant denominations: Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, etc.

Most if not all of them are Sola Scriptura (they accept only the New Testament for doctrinal authority)...even Catholic evangelicals reject Sola Scriptura. It is a Protestant doctrine that was unheard of before the Reformation.

Most Protestants recognize both the Hebrew and Greek scriptures as being authoritative; but some, as you say, concentrate on the New Testament only.

BTW I'm familiar with ecclesiastical history and the differences between Roman Catholicism, Othodoxy, and Protestantism.

 

[melissaadrian]

At a moment, I tought that she belongs to anglican religion because there are many anglican persons in South Africa and her grandfather(the father of her mother was english)

Not all Brits are Anglican, my father's family came from England and are Roman catholic. It is my mother's family that is protestant. Anglicans make up about 3.8% of the SAfrian population, not a very large number. Pentecostals, Zion Christians and Roman catholics have more, and 36% is unspecified Christian denominations.

 

[Sofiero]

I am very curious to know where came the information from that Charlene is having a wedding ceremony in South Africa or something like that?

 

[melina premiere]

The newspapers are announcing wrong news to sell papers, it is like when there was news in november (specialy in Italia) which said that Charlene was waiting a child it was a false new as we know . The ceremonies will be take place in Monaco as it is announced on the official page of the palace. The wins which will be served at the wedding dinner will be south African and they will be served at a privat dinner that the couple will give in South Africa when they will be there after the wedding

 

[Jaya]

I am very curious to know where came the information from that Charlene is having a wedding ceremony in South Africa or something like that?

the rumour mill....has a lot of time on their hands..they circulate news and gossip.The gossip around PA and Cw is really not serious.... or credible so it is unlikely that it will be dignified with a response

 

[Zonk]

Its time to move on from whether or not Charlene is a Catholic and her French speaking abilities.

 

[melina premiere]

I am resding a very serious biographie on the life of Princess Grace I liked a lot when she was alive. At the moment of the civil wedding, Prince Rainier said her,' don't be worry, I will be very serious, I will not look at you, I will have a strict face because prince sorereign cannot show what he is feeling
At the religious wedding, Grace Kelly asked why she had to enter the first in the cathedral before the Prince Rainier, and the head of protocole said her that a prince must not wait somebody. and she entered with her father before the prince Mr Kelly did not leave her daughter waiting with her the arrival of the prince. It is a nice history. I asked myself if it wiil be like with Charlene because the documentary on Point de Vue said: arrival of the princess on the right allée and arrival of the prince Albert on the central allée (1,80 m)
It is the first wedding of a prince sovereign or a king we will watch until the wedding of King Beaudoin of Belgium and king of Sweden They came into the cathedral together.It is a quesstion I asked myself will Charlene wait the prince or like other royal wedding will she arrive the last one with her father ?

 

[Stefan]

I am resding a very serious biographie on the life of Princess Grace I liked a lot when she was alive. At the moment of the civil wedding, Prince Rainier said her,' don't be worry, I will be very serious, I will not look at you, I will have a strict face because prince sorereign cannot show what he is feeling
At the religious wedding, Grace Kelly asked why she had to enter the first in the cathedral before the Prince Rainier, and the head of protocole said her that a prince must not wait somebody. and she entered with her father before the prince Mr Kelly did not leave her daughter waiting with her the arrival of the prince. It is a nice history. I asked myself if it wiil be like with Charlene because the documentary on Point de Vue said: arrival of the princess on the right allée and arrival of the prince Albert on the central allée (1,80 m)
It is the first wedding of a prince sovereign or a king we will watch until the wedding of King Beaudoin of Belgium and king of Sweden They came into the cathedral together.It is a quesstion I asked myself will Charlene wait the prince or like other royal wedding will she
arrive the last one with her father ?

There where 2 other marriages of reigning monarchs after King Baudouin.
In 1964 King Konstantine II. of the Hellenes and Princess Anne-Marie of Denmark who was escorted in the Church by her father and in 1976 King Carl XVI. Gustaf of Sweden and Silvia Sommerlath who arrived together with her parents at the Church but walked in together with the King.

 

[jonc93]

I think times have changed, royal can now show emotion, and many princes have waited (and for a long time) for their commoner brides. If Albert does come in last, I believe it'll prove that he is a pretentious snob, who's living in the early 1900's.

 

[melina premiere]

I did not remenber of the wedding of King Constantin of the Hellen perhaps becauses the couple lived in exil. For the emotion or showing it own feelings, Prince Rainier was shin, I do not think that prince Albert is snob, but in Frnace, we always say that french people are more reserved to show their feelings than the american people. We think that our privat feelings belong to us and sometimes it is hippocrit when we saw the president Clinton or president Kennedy taking always the hand of their wife while they had lover mistrss behind the walls.Showing his feelings in public is not a proof that it is true,

 

[Sofiero]

The newspapers are announcing wrong news to sell papers, it is like when there was news in november (specialy in Italia) which said that Charlene was waiting a child it was a false new as we know . The ceremonies will be take place in Monaco as it is announced on the official page of the palace. The wins which will be served at the wedding dinner will be south African and they will be served at a privat dinner that the couple will give in South Africa when they will be there after the wedding

The Palace can only inform what they will arrange in Monaco and not in South Africa. I can expect that if Charlene is not a member of a Catholic Church she will have a ceremony in the church of her Christian nomination in her hometown in her country? Or if her friends and relatives will arrange a party to celebrate the marriage?

 

[melina premiere]

Prince Albert said there was a changing date of the wedding because there will be tie ioc which will take place in Durban and he wanted that the first official travel of the future princess was reserved to her native country, I think there will be a privat dinner for friends of Charlene and Albert. I think He has also south africa friends because Charlene said to the radio 702 when she was in SA that they met again in 2005, a mutual friend invited them at a party,

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

Prince Albert said there was a changing date of the wedding because there will be tie ioc which will take place in Durban and he wanted that the first official travel of the future princess was reserved to her native country, I think there will be a privat dinner for friends of Charlene and Albert. I think He has also south africa friends because Charlene said to the radio 702 when she was in SA that they met again in 2005, a mutual friend invited them at a party,

At this point I don't think anyone knows when they reconnected because according to you from Stahls book it was after Prince Rainier died she sent him a letter of condolence. The party according to all other sources was New Years the year is in question.

 

[melissaadrian]

The Palace can only inform what they will arrange in Monaco and not in South Africa. I can expect that if Charlene is not a member of a Catholic Church she will have a ceremony in the church of her Christian nomination in her hometown in her country? Or if her friends and relatives will arrange a party to celebrate the marriage?

I doubt royals do things the way commoners would. Perhaps there will be a dinner, but there won't be a ceremony. Prince Albert is a catholic monarch, he is not about to have a protestant ceremony in South Africa.

 

[melina premiere]

I agree with you, there will be a catholic cermony , prince Albert is not a pop star, he is catholic, there will be a wedding in the catholic rite perhaps oechomenic because will not be perhaps not yet catholic but as Zonc said we can change the discuss about the Charlene"french learning or about her religion, I think all is said

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I doubt royals do things the way commoners would. Perhaps there will be a dinner, but there won't be a ceremony. Prince Albert is a catholic monarch, he is not about to have a protestant ceremony in South Africa.

I agree with you. I think it might even risk offending the Monagasques.
If CW is wise, she will stick with having a celebratory banquet in her homeland, without a second ceremony.

 

[Jaya]

I agree with you. I think it might even risk offending the Monagasques.
If CW is wise, she will stick with having a celebratory banquet in her homeland, without a second ceremony.

agreed about weddings and celebrations-Monaco is the priority and the jewel in the crown

 

[FanofMonaco]

I don't see any way that PA would be married in a foreign country. He has all the control in case of divorce if he is married in Monaco only.

 

[Zonk]

If I am correct, the intention is to have an event (maybe just a reception) for those people in Charlene's life who live in South Africa who for whatever reason (i.e. money, work, the fact that is not a normal wedding and you have over 2000 plus guests and you could still invite more) can't come to the actual wedding.

In the States, its somewhat common for people who marry (i.e. destination weddings or those who are from different states that are somewhat far or the family member is older and traveling is a problem)....you might have a smaller get together (just a reception/party) for those who couldn't attend the actual wedding.

Maybe that is what is meant by doing something in South Africa. Not an actual wedding per se. Just an event that for the South African contingent to celebrate the marriage.

 

[melina premiere]

I agree with you Zonk, it is what I wanted to exprim. Why begin a disscussion about an another wedding in South Africa,it's a rumor which came where we don't know, they are going in Durban for theIOC comettee, it will be the native land of Charlene, she has friends, family.An article talk about the south Africa wines which will be served at the wedding diner at monaco and at a private diner in South Africa.the couple will have diner with members of ioc comitee, mutual friends or members of the family they will be pleased to see and have a dinner at the beginning of a new life. It will be a privat diner that is all.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

If I am correct, the intention is to have an event (maybe just a reception) for those people in Charlene's life who live in South Africa who for whatever reason (i.e. money, work, the fact that is not a normal wedding and you have over 2000 plus guests and you could still invite more) can't come to the actual wedding.

In the States, its somewhat common for people who marry (i.e. destination weddings or those who are from different states that are somewhat far or the family member is older and traveling is a problem)....you might have a smaller get together (just a reception/party) for those who couldn't attend the actual wedding.

Maybe that is what is meant by doing something in South Africa. Not an actual wedding per se. Just an event that for the South African contingent to celebrate the marriage.

I think you are correct. Also I just thought of something. CW is known to be very fond of Nelson Mandela...she is said to idolize him.

But he is well into his 90's now, frail and in failing health so I doubt very much he will be making the trip to Monaco for the wedding.

Perhaps this side trip to South Africa will also give the former President an opportunity to congratulate his compatriot and to share somewhat in the nuptial festivities?

 

[rosana]

I cannot figure out why Mandela would be interested in attending this wedding, or whatever this is.

 

[Nathalie Cox]

I cannot figure out why Mandela would be interested in attending this wedding, or whatever this is.

Yes, me neither.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Perhaps because he and CW are friends and natives of the same country?

And as I pointed out CW is a great admirer of his, as are the entire Grimaldi family.

But I definitely do not think he will attend. He is too frail these days.

 

[Jaya]

Yes, me neither.

Charlene has milked the Mandela connection long enough. Is there anything else.. NO.
She is now marrying a right wing Prince with millions.
Once this happens she will be the wife of a Prince and Mandela is progressive and not of a feudal mentality. Many of the Princesses that married into the European houses happened to know many left wing individuals before their marriages- take Letizia- and after sort of drifted away. For all the discipline Charlene put into her Olympic training she has hardly applied herself here to the position she is about to enter. Had she applied herself with the identical focus and discipline of that marathon called the Olympics her French would have been learned; the certainty of conversion bagged;and her popularity in Monaco soaring. There would have been tangible results to speak and write about.The only reason to return to the broken record called Mandela is because there isn't anything else.
Grace had friends in America- plenty- she invited all to join from Frank Sinatra; Ava Gardner who was there to Gloria Swanson who was covering for a magazine.- those who could- did and those who could not did not and saw Grace another time.
Strabucks for Monaco indeed.

 

[Zonk]

Playing the devil's advocate....

But didn't Nelson Mandela attend another royal wedding in the past or am I thinking of another event.

And Finally, I realize that people don't think much of Charlene...but whose to say that Nelson Mandela's presence has anything to do with her? I would imagine he has met Prince Albert in the past? And perhaps Prince Albert would like his attendance at his wedding but because of his health, that is not possible? And just because she is a swimmer, or a South African...she can't respect Mr. Mandela? So we know what her inner most thoughts are now?

 

[melissaadrian]

Playing the devil's advocate....

But didn't Nelson Mandela attend another royal wedding in the past or am I thinking of another event.

And Finally, I realize that people don't think much of Charlene...but whose to say that Nelson Mandela's presence has anything to do with her? I would imagine he has met Prince Albert in the past? And perhaps Prince Albert would like his attendance at his wedding but because of his health, that is not possible? And just because she is a swimmer, or a South African...she can't respect Mr. Mandela? So we know what her inner most thoughts are now?

Nelson Mandela was a guest at Letizia and Felipe's wedding.

Perhaps because he and CW are friends and natives of the same country?

And as I pointed out CW is a great admirer of his, as are the entire Grimaldi family.

But I definitely do not think he will attend. He is too frail these days.

Technically she is a native of Zimbabwe, known as Rhodesia at the time. But she holds South African citizenship and represented them in the Olympics now.