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Old 07-30-2007, 06:17 PM
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I still don't understand why we are wasting so much time trying to find some reasoning in the way Charlene behaves and if she will ever be competent to be anything more than an escort. For God's sake she isn't some 20 year old girl just emerging from a high school into social scene. Charlene is 30 year old woman and she is who she is/will be already.
This is a woman who until a couple of years ago had spent her life in and around a pool, dressed in bathing-suit and jump-suits, surrounded with easy going sports people, sleeping in a cheap hotels/motels and eating in canteens. Almost over night she has been catapulted into a high society, sleeping in luxurious hotels and eating in fancy restaurants.
No wonder that she has no clue how to behave, and most importantly what to say when around people outside of her swimming domain. She's never tried to expend her education neither in a formal way nor by a self-education. This is a woman who doesn't have any interests outside of sports and is not able to have any kind of conversation. That is apparent when you sit her at the table with people outside of her comfort zone. If I remember correctly she didn't have any problems talking to her fellow swimmer Massimo at the dinner in Rome.
IMO Charlene is who she is and is to late for her to change to became somebody else. NOt because she is dumb but because she has/never had have any interests outside of swimming. You have to have thirst for knowledge to actually pick up a book in order to self-educate yourself. Also you need to have altruistic nature in order to be charitable and involved.
Charlene is a kind of woman that you will more likely find in a bar then in a book store.JMO
I wonder how many books she had read by now, excluding a summer reading books required by the her high school which she never finished.
Can I ask you something? HOW DO YOU KNOW ?
I'm trying really hard to get the sense here, what is it that makes you ( not only you - there are some more posters doing the same) pick on Charlene and Albert and all their beeing, decisions, their relationship, their every move ??? I'm kind of curious because I just don't get it.
You're judging them by seeing pictures, reading interviews ... you draw your own conclusions ( which is absolutely your right ) but , you know nothing! Plain and simple: That's unfair.
I don't want to defend Albert, or Charlene or anyone. I believe they are reasonable people. There is a reason for Aöbert to be with her. Whatever it is, it isn't as complicated and shady as you might think. There is no conspiracy going on.
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:31 PM
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I'm new around here and I am happy to be posting with others who are interested in the Monaco Royals!

I just want to say, I think Charlene Wittstock is lovely. I hope PA does marry her and soon. Because he can do a lot worse, and in my opinion he HAS done a lot worse! She is strikingly attractive, and I cannot find any negative publicity about her in the French or British tabs which I read constantly. On the contrary, she seems gracious and charming and sweet.

Until I see her picking spinach from her teeth or hear that she has an out of wedlock kid with some criminal stashed away, I think she's great.
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:49 PM
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I'm new around here and I am happy to be posting with others who are interested in the Monaco Royals!

I just want to say, I think Charlene Wittstock is lovely. I hope PA does marry her and soon. Because he can do a lot worse, and in my opinion he HAS done a lot worse! She is strikingly attractive, and I cannot find any negative publicity about her in the French or British tabs which I read constantly. On the contrary, she seems gracious and charming and sweet.

Until I see her picking spinach from her teeth or hear that she has an out of wedlock kid with some criminal stashed away, I think she's great.
Actually there was a photo of her picking her teeth at the small states games I 'm not sure where you will find the photo but I did see it. I can't verify it was spinich.
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:52 PM
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Can I ask you something? HOW DO YOU KNOW ?
I'm trying really hard to get the sense here, what is it that makes you ( not only you - there are some more posters doing the same) pick on Charlene and Albert and all their beeing, decisions, their relationship, their every move ??? I'm kind of curious because I just don't get it.
You're judging them by seeing pictures, reading interviews ... you draw your own conclusions ( which is absolutely your right ) but , you know nothing! Plain and simple: That's unfair.
I don't want to defend Albert, or Charlene or anyone. I believe they are reasonable people. There is a reason for Aöbert to be with her. Whatever it is, it isn't as complicated and shady as you might think. There is no conspiracy going on.

Actually if you go back a long ways through the threads on Charlene and read all the interviews she has given you will see her inconsistant statements I don't want to go through it all over again and I'm sure mods don't want yet another rehash of what she said but I would urge you to go read her interviews and you will see why many of us have issues with her it's not about the clothes and hair for most of us.
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Old 07-31-2007, 02:48 AM
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He seems to really like this woman. But there are things about her, if he stops for a moment, which would make her very unlikely to be supportive of his future career as head of monaco .. except that she is young and probably capable of having tall, strapping blonde children for his successors. This might be all he wants and hope that their relationship stays good for the rest of their lives? We speculate and speculate because we just want to know what he is thinking ... but we cannot until he speaks up!

He has dated, in an intimate way, MANY, MANY beautiful, tall, blonde, athletic or model women over the years. This might just be another one!?
She might have taken that eight months away to pack up her life in SAfrica in privacy and cull out her life and move her things to Monaco without having her baggage ravaged by pilferers. I wish she would show some sign of learning French, taking some commerce courses and maybe even doing some volunteer work in the area to show her growing love .. but then, it might give away too much if we knew all that? If he keeps his mom in mind, he might never marry her. But if he wants what makes him happy despite her unsuitability for the throne ... then he will marry her soon! :o)

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Old 07-31-2007, 05:59 AM
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He seems to really like this woman. But there are things about her, if he stops for a moment, which would make her very unlikely to be supportive of his future career as head of monaco .. except that she is young and probably capable of having tall, strapping blonde children for his successors. This might be all he wants and hope that their relationship stays good for the rest of their lives? We speculate and speculate because we just want to know what he is thinking ... but we cannot until he speaks up!
if that would have been all he wanted then he could have gotten married more then 20 years ago, could have spent time raising them, could have actually seen them grow up and be able to prepare them to succeed him. So judging by the fact that he didn't, he either wanted more then just a childbearer or he enjoyed his playboy lifestyle too much. I hope it was the first and thought so by his speech 2 years ago, but judging by his actions I guess it was the latter.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:20 AM
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Actually if you go back a long ways through the threads on Charlene and read all the interviews she has given you will see her inconsistant statements I don't want to go through it all over again and I'm sure mods don't want yet another rehash of what she said but I would urge you to go read her interviews and you will see why many of us have issues with her it's not about the clothes and hair for most of us.

I've read them a long time ago.
So...?
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:30 AM
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I'm new around here and I am happy to be posting with others who are interested in the Monaco Royals!

I just want to say, I think Charlene Wittstock is lovely. I hope PA does marry her and soon. Because he can do a lot worse, and in my opinion he HAS done a lot worse! She is strikingly attractive, and I cannot find any negative publicity about her in the French or British tabs which I read constantly. On the contrary, she seems gracious and charming and sweet.

Until I see her picking spinach from her teeth or hear that she has an out of wedlock kid with some criminal stashed away, I think she's great.
Here you are, Small States Games 2007: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...el/spinach.jpg
Please keep in mind that the tabloids don't have any reason yet to write anything negative about her. They pick and choose their stories and photos accordingly. You only get to see one photo out of a hundred taken and of course they'll pick a flattering one, or one that suits their story of the fairytale love affair. I have seen some of the other photos, those that the tabloids didn't pick and some of those seem to tell a different story. Like the tooth picking one. Tabloids only write what sells and at the moment that's the great love story. JMO.
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:58 AM
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Here you are, Small States Games 2007: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...el/spinach.jpg
Please keep in mind that the tabloids don't have any reason yet to write anything negative about her. They pick and choose their stories and photos accordingly. You only get to see one photo out of a hundred taken and of course they'll pick a flattering one, or one that suits their story of the fairytale love affair. I have seen some of the other photos, those that the tabloids didn't pick and some of those seem to tell a different story. Like the tooth picking one. Tabloids only write what sells and at the moment that's the great love story. JMO.
Well, then you've never seen any pics of young Caroline crossing her legs as Sharon Stone did in Basic Instinct. At least we know she wore panties...
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:07 AM
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I've read them a long time ago.
So...?
I guess lack of credibility doesn't bother you?
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:08 AM
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Well, then you've never seen any pics of young Caroline crossing her legs as Sharon Stone did in Basic Instinct. At least we know she wore panties...
...and Stephanie picking her teeth. Just because someone behaves like a human beeing doesn't mean that they are tacky or irresponible. They are just people. Princess Grace was, too.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:27 AM
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if that would have been all he wanted then he could have gotten married more then 20 years ago, could have spent time raising them, could have actually seen them grow up and be able to prepare them to succeed him. So judging by the fact that he didn't, he either wanted more then just a childbearer or he enjoyed his playboy lifestyle too much. I hope it was the first and thought so by his speech 2 years ago, but judging by his actions I guess it was the latter.
I think Albert wants to want more than someone to produce children but he's gotten so used to his life as a playboy that he doesn't know how to give it up. Apparently there he can't reconcile what he wants with what he needs.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:42 AM
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I think Albert wants to want more than someone to produce children but he's gotten so used to his life as a playboy that he doesn't know how to give it up. Apparently there he can't reconcile what he wants with what he needs.
That's was saying Nouvel Observateur journalist with Albert still teenager. Playboy life seems to be more pleasant than ruler life.
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:17 AM
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...and Stephanie picking her teeth. Just because someone behaves like a human beeing doesn't mean that they are tacky or irresponible. They are just people. Princess Grace was, too.
So bad manners make people more human...interesting theory. Maybe at the next official lunch I attend I might try eating with my hands instead that with knife and fork, I bet everyone will realize how nice and down to earth I am!

THanks Ghislaine for the pic that I hadn't seen; I now realize Albert and Charlene are two of a kind, and won't question their relationship ever again. BTW Grace was indeed a human being, but I'm sure she never picked her teeth in public, and would have been horrified in seeing one of her kids doing it!
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:56 AM
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Here you are, Small States Games 2007: http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/b...el/spinach.jpg
Please keep in mind that the tabloids don't have any reason yet to write anything negative about her. They pick and choose their stories and photos accordingly. You only get to see one photo out of a hundred taken and of course they'll pick a flattering one, or one that suits their story of the fairytale love affair. I have seen some of the other photos, those that the tabloids didn't pick and some of those seem to tell a different story. Like the tooth picking one. Tabloids only write what sells and at the moment that's the great love story. JMO.
Hi Ghislaine-

Thanks so much for the link with the photos...actuallly it seems that HSH and Ms Wittstock are joking around or playing...not picking food from their teeth. I see the Prince is doing something with his fingers and Charlene seems to be imitating him, or vice versa.

I don't agree that the tabloids don't have a reason to print something negative. They LOOK for things when someone is new on the scene, IMO. I remember when Lady Diana Spencer's engagement was announced, there was an article in British Vogue about how Fleet Street was amazed that the diciest thing they could dig up was that she once plunged fully clothed into a neighbor's pool!

I am certain that if there is dirt to be dug up on this young woman we'd know about it after the 18 mos or so that she has been on the "radar" so to speak?
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Can I ask you something? HOW DO YOU KNOW ?
I'm trying really hard to get the sense here, what is it that makes you ( not only you - there are some more posters doing the same) pick on Charlene and Albert and all their beeing, decisions, their relationship, their every move ??? I'm kind of curious because I just don't get it.
You're judging them by seeing pictures, reading interviews ... you draw your own conclusions ( which is absolutely your right ) but , you know nothing! Plain and simple: That's unfair.
I don't want to defend Albert, or Charlene or anyone. I believe they are reasonable people. There is a reason for Aöbert to be with her. Whatever it is, it isn't as complicated and shady as you might think. There is no conspiracy going on.

Michelle, I agree with you 100%. I am new to these boards and a little baffled by the increasingly strident and negative comments about Charlene. Regardless of any faux-pas she has committed or any unwise statements in the press-I have not personally read any and I have been following this story almost from the start-there are only TWO PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN A RELATIONSHIP. And that is the two people who are in the relationship.
Unless we are flies on the wall or have the Palais Princier electronically bugged, how can we know what is going on in this relationship behind the scenes? How do we know she is not trying to learn French(I recently read that Princess Grace refused to speak publically during her first two years as Princess of Monaco because she did not feel her French was proficient enough and it embarrassed her) How do we know, for example, that she has not being quietly instructed in the Catholic Faith by Msgr Barthe, or whomever?
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Old 07-31-2007, 12:37 PM
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So bad manners make people more human...interesting theory. Maybe at the next official lunch I attend I might try eating with my hands instead that with knife and fork, I bet everyone will realize how nice and down to earth I am!
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Oh, come on I did not talk about bad manners. You know very well that neither Stephanie nor Charlene would eat with their hands at an official dinner or any dinner whatsoever, unless they're having a privat lunch/ dinner or whatever at McDonalds. There they would eat their burgers and fries using their fingers and nothing else and that's just like it has to be. That is alright for Stephanie and it is alright for Charlene regardless what you think is appropriate for a princess or a princess-to-be or a friend of a prince.
For years and decades people were critizising Stephanie for doing -not appropriate things- like biting her nails, sunbathing without bikini-to, eating burgers with her hands, living in a caravan, chewing gum , buying clothes for 40 bucks , all of that = not princess-like. But that's how it goes. She knows very well how things go in her world and she has always done everything to be a good working part of it and so does Charlene I believe.
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Oh, come on I did not talk about bad manners. You know very well that neither Stephanie nor Charlene would eat with their hands at an official dinner or any dinner whatsoever, unless they're having a privat lunch/ dinner or whatever at McDonalds. There they would eat their burgers and fries using their fingers and nothing else and that's just like it has to be. That is alright for Stephanie and it is alright for Charlene regardless what you think is appropriate for a princess or a princess-to-be or a friend of a prince.
For years and decades people were critizising Stephanie for doing -not appropriate things- like biting her nails, sunbathing without bikini-to, eating burgers with her hands, living in a caravan, chewing gum , buying clothes for 40 bucks , all of that = not princess-like. But that's how it goes. She knows very well how things go in her world and she has always done everything to be a good working part of it and so does Charlene I believe.
What do good manners have to do with being a princess? They apply to everyone, rich or poor, noble or not, and even more so to people who live in the spot light. Anyway, to each his/her own: I'd take as a role model someone like Pr. Grace, always trying to appear at her best and trying to be appropriate on every occasion, and I think she ate her burgers with the hands as well; if you prefer Steph's way, that's perfectly ok, but we must remember Albert is a head of State, and I surely wouldn't like my Prime Minister or President photographed like that...
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What do good manners have to do with being a princess? They apply to everyone, rich or poor, noble or not, and even more so to people who live in the spot light. Anyway, to each his/her own: I'd take as a role model someone like Pr. Grace, always trying to appear at her best and trying to be appropriate on every occasion, and I think she ate her burgers with the hands as well; if you prefer Steph's way, that's perfectly ok, but we must remember Albert is a head of State, and I surely wouldn't like my Prime Minister or President photographed like that...
That's exactly what I was saying. Steph's way isn't different from her mothers. She conducts herself well. And so does Charlene.
I wouldn't mind a picture of Albert and Charlene sitting on a bench eating burgers and most of the poeple in Monaco wouldn't either.
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First, " Hi Simon "

Second: Charlene seems to mean something to Albert. She's with him most of the time. So, what's the trouble. If Stephanie or Caroline are huge fans of her or not is none of our business. I personally think that Stephanie beeing a not-very-complicated kind of person has her way to get along with her well and from what I see she's very fine with Charlene being around. Caro, I don't know really, things can be more complicated with her sometimes I guess. She's a little more picky. She obviously wasn't vary fond of Daniel Ducruet either but they found some way to deal with it. That's what families are like. His sisters opinions and feelings mean everything to Albert. They sort everything out. They know how to. Thee a team, they'll always be. They know it and it is important to them. I wouldn't worry.
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