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Old 01-05-2008, 05:33 PM
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I truly think as the years go by, the Princesses will likely have little relevance to the RF. Yes, now, they are granddaughters of a monarch, but some day they will be the nieces of the monarch and then eventually, cousins of a monarch, and well, do the Queen's cousins really play a daily role in the monarchy? Yes I completely agree that the Duke and Duchess of Glouchester are important and do carry out officially duties, but I would think as the monarchy progresses forward (as times change)the cousins of a monarch will bear little impact. The reason I say that is because I thought part of the reason the Earl and Countess of Wessex didn't want titles for their children is because, in part, the need to "stream-line" the RF. And wasn't there chatter in the past of stripping Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of their titles? I thought I read that somewhere.....
I hope that doesn't sound harsh, I truly don't mean it to, but those are my thoughts on B and E.
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Old 01-05-2008, 05:41 PM
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Prince Harry's gap year saw him in Queensland, Australia wrangling cattle and in Lesotho, Africa where he helped build a clinic and bridge. There was talk in January of 2007 Princess Beatrice wanting to spend her gap year working with her mum for the charity Springboard for Children. Did that ever happen this year? I can only find bits about her traveling with friends and going to parties.
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Old 01-05-2008, 07:26 PM
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Beatrice is FAR too busy to think about a job.
Mummy taught her well,I'd say.

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Old 01-05-2008, 08:24 PM
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The Royal Family have public money and private money. Their public money is very carefully documented, and we taxpayers pay about 63p each a year towards them. (I think this is just under a Euro and just over a US Dollar.) I for one don't get bitter and twisted about this. I think it is very good value for what we get in pomp and circumstance and all the general an charitable duties that The Queen, Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, Prince Edward, The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, The Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra of Kent, and Prince and Princess Michael of Kent all do. (Okay, those after Prince Edward don't do something every week - but they also only get a little money for the things they do.)

If we were to have a President, we would probaby have to pay nearly as much, and we wouldn't get all the glamour and family attached. (Just think who we might have had as president - usually former politicians - John Major, Margaret Thatcher, Paddy Ashdown, Michael Foot? Or possbily a trade unionist or two, such as Arthur Scargill? Or a film star - Peter Ustinov, Michael Caine, Albert Finney, Maggie Smith?) All countries have Heads of State and it seems to me that the Constitutional Monarchies of Europe provide an good solution, separating the politicians (Heads of Government) from the Heads of State.

On the younger members of the Royal Family, William and Harry are Army Officers, who have a few charities under their wings. Beatrice and Eugenie are still teenagers, and would not be expected to take on duties so young. Peter and Zara Phillips are not Royal - they have a lot of money (but no-one seems to complain about this) and lead their own lives.

Yes, some of them seem to be at a lot of parties - but their peer group go to a lot of parties. Come to think of it, when I was their age, I went to a lot of parties. My children went to a lot of parties. The difference is that we did not have a lot of paparazzi waiting outside to take photos of us. I think we all might have occasion to blush if we had. I think the ages of the Princes/Princesses are between about 25 and 17. If you can't spend some of your evenings and weekends socialising when in that age group, you would be a very sad person. I feel sure that Beatrice and Eugenie will take on royal duties, but probably not until they are some years older.

And, if Sarah, Duchess of York, wants to give money to her daughters, why shouldn't she? Since her divorce, she has received no public money. She has worked very hard and earns good money. Like most mothers, she probably doesn't keep it all to herself, but provides many things for her girls.
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Old 01-05-2008, 08:28 PM
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Beatrice is FAR too busy to think about a job.
Mummy taught her well,I'd say.

Beatrice and her beau enjoy romantic embrace while moosing around on the slopes | the Daily Mail

I respectfully totally disagree. Sarah, Duchess of York has EARNED a great deal of money since her divorce from Prince Andrew, on her own. From what I have seen she has worked really hard for what she has gotten and she did NOT get an extremely generous divorce settlement. Both of her daughters could do a great deal worse than to follow in her footsteps.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:07 PM
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Fabulous Fake--I enjoyed your post very much and welcome to the Forums! I'm sure you'll quickly find out addictive it is!
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Old 01-06-2008, 06:32 AM
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Fabulous Fake--I enjoyed your post very much and welcome to the Forums! I'm sure you'll quickly find out addictive it is!
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Old 01-06-2008, 06:52 AM
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The Royal Family have public money and private money. Their public money is very carefully documented, and we taxpayers pay about 63p each a year towards them. (I think this is just under a Euro and just over a US Dollar.) I for one don't get bitter and twisted about this.... EDITED....On the younger members of the Royal Family, William and Harry are Army Officers, who have a few charities under their wings. Beatrice and Eugenie are still teenagers, and would not be expected to take on duties so young. Peter and Zara Phillips are not Royal - they have a lot of money (but no-one seems to complain about this) and lead their own lives. ... EDITED....And, if Sarah, Duchess of York, wants to give money to her daughters, why shouldn't she? Since her divorce, she has received no public money. She has worked very hard and earns good money. Like most mothers, she probably doesn't keep it all to herself, but provides many things for her girls.
Zara and Peter are both royals, both are grandchildren of HM in exactly the same way as William, Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie are. Perhaps if UK taxpayers did not have to pay for the 'unneeded' bodyguards for Beatrice and Eugenie, the money could go towards the upkeep of the palaces, which bring in a lot more money than B & E.

I don't have any problem with Sarah or Andrew spending money on the girls, but if he wants them to have 'protection' because they are HIS daughters and he wants to ensure they keep the HRH, perhaps it is time their parents paid!
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Old 01-06-2008, 08:15 AM
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To Alison20

I very much agree with you dear Alison!
I've written almost the same on the Prince William thread. I would gladly give up my President to your Royal Family! And those few pennies are really not that much, I would pay tenfolds more in a year to have a monarchy rather than a republic!
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Old 01-06-2008, 09:29 AM
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Prince Harry's gap year saw him in Queensland, Australia wrangling cattle and in Lesotho, Africa where he helped build a clinic and bridge. There was talk in January of 2007 Princess Beatrice wanting to spend her gap year working with her mum for the charity Springboard for Children. Did that ever happen this year? I can only find bits about her traveling with friends and going to parties.
Here's the latest news about HRH's 'workload.'

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Old 01-06-2008, 10:19 AM
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She will be incredibly busy then! IF she does manage to obtain a junior position at a 'fashion magazine', perhaps they will be able to give her a free makeover. I don't hold out much hope though!
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:36 AM
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She will be incredibly busy then! IF she does manage to obtain a junior position at a 'fashion magazine', perhaps they will be able to give her a free makeover. I don't hold out much hope though!
I worked as an editor at a fashion magazine once and believe me, if times have not changed enormously, she will learn a thing or two about people... especially about women who want and who need to have a career in fashion world.

She should better ask her greek cousin-in-law Marie Chantal for a job, that would keep her feathers intact....
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:48 AM
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Prince Harry's gap year saw him in Queensland, Australia wrangling cattle and in Lesotho, Africa where he helped build a clinic and bridge. There was talk in January of 2007 Princess Beatrice wanting to spend her gap year working with her mum for the charity Springboard for Children. Did that ever happen this year? I can only find bits about her traveling with friends and going to parties.
Oh well, you know, Beatrice is busy building up "Brand Beatrice"!!!!
She is going to be a fashion designer, and the first royal to go to outer space, woohoo! (Double)

Right now Beatrice is just being an immature, foolish 18-19-whatever-year old.
Unfortunately for her, the tabloids are documenting all of her embarrassing, silly girly exploits. But fortunately, it might mean that it helps her to wake up a bit faster than other girls of her age group, and start becoming a real woman sooner. I just want to see her realize that all this posing is terrible. I want her to realize that she needs to find her true nature and be herself. Forget all this "Brand Bea" crap; forget trying to be "the fashion designer", the Space Traveller, the Mini-Mummy, or whatever. Even in the way she dresses, it seems like she is dressing to impress people (and not impressing!) rather than wearing what she truly likes. I bet the real Beatrice could be a very cool person.
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:00 PM
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i thinkk that they should both definitely do something when they are older, but while they are at school, there isnt much for them to do.
Say ing that though, i feel that beatrice should be using her gap y ear to focus on something important rather than being a celebrity because i feel that if they dont start to show responsibility (bea especialy), it will come back to haunt them because people hate the fact that their money is being spent helping someone who doenst deserve it
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Old 01-06-2008, 12:43 PM
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Oh well, you know, Beatrice is busy building up "Brand Beatrice"!!!!
She is going to be a fashion designer, and the first royal to go to outer space, woohoo! (Double)

Right now Beatrice is just being an immature, foolish 18-19-whatever-year old.
Unfortunately for her, the tabloids are documenting all of her embarrassing, silly girly exploits. But fortunately, it might mean that it helps her to wake up a bit faster than other girls of her age group, and start becoming a real woman sooner. I just want to see her realize that all this posing is terrible. I want her to realize that she needs to find her true nature and be herself. Forget all this "Brand Bea" crap; forget trying to be "the fashion designer", the Space Traveller, the Mini-Mummy, or whatever. Even in the way she dresses, it seems like she is dressing to impress people (and not impressing!) rather than wearing what she truly likes. I bet the real Beatrice could be a very cool person.
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The "Real Princess Beatrice" as it were seems like someone I'd want to go shopping for cute outfits then hit the clubs to knock back pints with, but that's not exactly how I envision a representative of an established and formal Royal Family. Times have changed since the future Queen to be Princess Lilibet wasn't even allowed a much coveted bicycle.
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Interesting article--and not at all surprising to me in the least. Honestly, if Andrew wants to encourage such self-indulgent behavior from his children, then the public shouldn't have to foot the bill for her security. She feels she's done enough and wants only to spend time with her boyfriend--ugh. Looks like we're not going to see any of Zara's independent spirit in this one.
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Princess Beatrice is 18 YEARS OLD.

She wants to spend time with her boyfriend, she wants to design clothes, she wants to go into outer space. SOUNDS LIKE AN 18 YEAR OLD TO ME??????

Whether or not she should be provided for protection and who should pay for it is another thing entirely. I have no problem with her Father/Mother footing the bill or her HM Queen Elizabeth for that matter. But let us remember something here PLEASE, there are WICKED, EVIL PEOPLE out in this world who would readily do her harm JUST BECAUSE OF HER FATHER AND GRANDMOTHER and that is NOT her fault.
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But she's not a normal 18 year old is she? Thats what people seem to forget - yes it's ok for an 18 year old to spend time with her boyfriend, design clothes etc but surely any good parent would require their kids to have some direction, especially if they're Royal. On the security issue, I'm with the majority who have been saying let Andrew pay for it.
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But she's not a normal 18 year old is she? Thats what people seem to forget - yes it's ok for an 18 year old to spend time with her boyfriend, design clothes etc but surely any good parent would require their kids to have some direction, especially if they're Royal. On the security issue, I'm with the majority who have been saying let Andrew pay for it.
This is where we are in total agreement. To my mind she is still a kid, she does still need alot of guidance and direction. She needs to be encouraged, to be told that YES SHE CAN and in fact DOES HAVE alot to contribute and then step by step be shown HOW to do that appropriately. That is most ASSUREDLY her parents responsibility to provide that for her.

I can see where an 18 year old would be totally overwhelmed in her situation. She is not really grown and mature yet. MUCH is expected of her and just how much help is she actually receiving to meet those expectations? Are we providing self fullfilling prophecies for her to fail already, maybe?

Look at it this way, when she looks at her parents, her Uncles and Aunt in the RF, what does she see? Maybe a group of people who have been forced to live in a fish bowl? Who have been criticized no matter what they do or do not do? Maybe she feels that no matter what she does, she LOSES? I don't know, but that seems logical to me. What does she know about her RF, maybe they are really and truly JUST HUMAN and fallible like everyone else?
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