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I'm wondering too if the granting of dukedoms upon marriage will be discontinued following the Noos scandal involving Inaki/Cristina former duchess de Palma de Mallorca.
Choosing the mother's surname first is not an exception, years ago the father's surname was the default and parents had to petition if they wanted the mother's surname first. Now parents must choose the surname order, there's no default. The law contemplates the option of a hyphenated surname but under conditions that I don't think would be met in this case.
There's no comparison between Leonor's (hypothetical) children and Elena's and Cristina's, who are dynastically irrelevant.
I'm wondering too if the granting of dukedoms upon marriage will be discontinued following the Noos scandal involving Inaki/Cristina former duchess de Palma de Mallorca.
That would be my expectation. The dukedom policy was invented for the marriages of Infantas Elena and Cristina. Previous Infantas/Infantes whose marriages were considered equal and whose spouses moved to Spain had their spouses created Infantes/Infantas of Spain, until King Juan Carlos put an end to that policy with his Royal Decree 1368/1987 which denied the status of Infanta/Infante to spouses.
The late Infanta Pilar was the 1st to receive a dukedom when she was made Duchess of Badajoz in 1967 and my guess is Juan Carlos followed his fathers example.
The mothers surname fiorst was also done for the present duke of Alba and i beleive one of his brothers. And i agree the for Leonor's children the mother'f forenmae will come first except iof she marries another Bourbon but the it would twice Bourbon
One of my pet peeves with royal watching is the a-few-years-old tendency by some to style the wife of a king as queen consort.The situation the other European kingdoms is the same as in Spain: The legal title of the queen consort does not include the word Consort, but nonetheless there is a clear difference in constitutional function between a queen regnant and a queen consort.
One of my pet peeves with royal watching is the a-few-years-old tendency by some to style the wife of a king as queen consort.
Queen consort is a position not a title.
One of my pet peeves with royal watching is the a-few-years-old tendency by some to style the wife of a king as queen consort.
Queen consort is a position not a title.
I don't mind queen consort but I my pet peeve is when a certain British paper refers to Letizia as the Spanish Monarch
As An Ard Ri explained the heir was his father and not don Carlos. In any case it doesn't matter if he was created an Infante or if he had been born an Infante (as the King's brother, for example), his wife wouldn't be an infanta unless the King created her an infanta. Besides the title of Queen Consort, the only title shared after marriage in the Spanish Royal Family is that of Pince or Princess of Asturias.
Article 3
1.
The King's sons and daughters not possessing the Dignity of Prince or Princess of the Asturias, as well as the children of the latter Prince or Princess, shall be Infantes or Infantas of Spain, respectively, and shall be addressed as Your Royal Highness. Their spouses, whilst they continue being so or stay a widower or widow, shall be entitled to the form of address and honours The King, as a gracious decision, may grant them, pursuant to the powers vested upon Him by paragraph f) of Article 62 of the Constitution.
2.
Likewise, The King may grant the dignity of Infante or Infanta and the form of address of Your Royal Highness to those persons he shall deem fit of such a grace given the exceptional circumstances that concur.
3.
Except as provided in the present Article and the preceding one hereof, and save as provided in Article 5 hereof for members of the Regency, no person whatsoever may:
a) Use the title of Prince or Princess of the Asturias or employ any other title whatsoever traditionally attached to the Successor to the Crown of Spain;
b) Use the title of Infante or Infanta of Spain.
c) Receive the forms of address and honours pertaining to the Dignities mentioned in paragraphs a) and b) above.
That is definitely the case. From what I've seen on social media it originated in two certain English speaking nations where: 1. Someone made an announcement that he now regrets about his future wife being styled as Princess Consort and 2. People, because of some very sloppy reporting, can't seem to fathom the notion that titles aren't personal but transferable and that there have been numerous queens before the current one and that there, G*d willing, will be many after.It seems that in their minds, a queen or king who is not styled "Consort" is necessarily a monarch. There was also talk that if the late husband of Queen Margrethe II of Denmark had been styled King without "Consort" it would have made him a monarch. Apparently it is not always understood that European monarchies do not apply the style "Consort" to those who hold the position of queen consort/king consort.
That is definitely the case. From what I've seen on social media it originated in two certain English speaking nations where: 1. Someone made an announcement that he now regrets about his future wife being styled as Princess Consort and 2. People, because of some very sloppy reporting, can't seem to fathom the notion that titles aren't personal but transferable and that there have been numerous queens before the current one and that there, G*d willing, will be many after.
In fact, it is a matter of linguistics. "Queen" may refer to the Head of State, the wife or widow of the Head of State, or, in some countries, the wife of a Head of State upon abdication. The ambiguity is solved by adding a qualifier such as Queen consort, Queen dowager, Queen emerita, etc.Artículo 58
La Reina consorte o el consorte de la Reina no podrán asumir funciones constitucionales, salvo lo dispuesto para la Regencia.
I don’t know if this is the appropriate thread but I always wanted to ask about the current and previous dukes of Calabria discontinuing handing titles to member of the family like the Infante Alfonso, Duke of Calabria created both of his daughters as duchess’s.
Did king Juan Carlos ask them to discontinue this tradition not to conflict with Spanish nobility.
Also, there are a lot of Spanish Nobels who hold two Sicilies and Italian prince/as Nobel titles like the late duchess of Medina Sedona who was Princess of Montalbano, are those titles recognized in Spain?
Why does the King of Spain use the titles of Archduke of Austria and Count of Habsburg? He is not a member of the House of Habsburg-Lothringen...
Yes, but in what way Juan Carlos could claim the titles of Habsburgs, as he is not descended from them in male-line and the house of Habsburg is extant.
Hopefully the press will give the family a break now that it is official.
I also find it interesting that, whereas Infanta Sofía's normal signature reads "Sofía, Infanta de España", Cristina on the other hand signed the announcement as "Cristina de Borbón" rather than "Cristina, Infanta de España".
How did she sign herself prior to her husband's corruption scandal?
A further question: Did Iñaki Urdangarin retain the form of address Excelentísimo Señor after he ceased to be the consort Duke of Palma de Mallorca? Concerning the spouses of Infantas and Infantes, the 1987 royal decree governing the titles of the Royal Family says only:
Their spouses, whilst they continue being so or stay a widower or widow, shall be entitled to the form of address and honours The King, as a gracious decision, may grant them, pursuant to the powers vested upon Him by paragraph f) of Article 62 of the Constitution.
How did she sign herself prior to her husband's corruption scandal?
A further question: Did Iñaki Urdangarin retain the form of address Excelentísimo Señor after he ceased to be the consort Duke of Palma de Mallorca? Concerning the spouses of Infantas and Infantes, the 1987 royal decree governing the titles of the Royal Family says only:
Their spouses, whilst they continue being so or stay a widower or widow, shall be entitled to the form of address and honours The King, as a gracious decision, may grant them, pursuant to the powers vested upon Him by paragraph f) of Article 62 of the Constitution.
That would be my expectation. The dukedom policy was invented for the marriages of Infantas Elena and Cristina. Previous Infantas/Infantes whose marriages were considered equal and whose spouses moved to Spain had their spouses created Infantes/Infantas of Spain, until King Juan Carlos put an end to that policy with his Royal Decree 1368/1987 which denied the status of Infanta/Infante to spouses.
As I wrote in another thread: My prediction is that unless the monarchy is considerably more secure by the time the Infanta Sofía marries, no title of nobility will be granted to the Infanta or her spouse, who will at most become an Excmo. Sr. Likewise, in contrast to Jaime de Marichalar and Iñaki Urdangarin, my guess is that a spouse of Infanta Sofía will not become even a part-time working royal. I think the King, in the present conditions, will minimize the risk of royal scandal by keeping the number of family members who are viewed as royals pared down.
Iñaki has been entitled to the use of the Excellence treatment since 2002, when he received the Grand Cross of the Royal Order of Sports Merit.
https://www.hola.com/casasreales/2002/01/24/urdangarin-grancruz/
It is true that Jaime de Marichalar and Iñaki Urdangarin were referred to as Duke of Lugo and Duke of Palma de Mallorca and were often cited by the prefix "Excelentísimo Señor" in Spain, even perhaps by the Royal Household itself.
However, as some legal scholars argued at the time, apparently to no avail, that was actually a misconception. When someone in Spain is given a Title of the Kingdom by royal decree, that title belongs to the grantee and can be transmitted hereditarily to his or her successors according to the terms of the concession and the Spanish nobiliary law currently in force. The use of the title also extends by courtesy to the legal spouse according to Spanish custom, which is why the husband of a Spanish duchess in her own right is addressed also as a duke.
The titles of nobility belonging to the Royal House, which are the object of the Art. 6 of the Royal Decree 1368/1987 are not, on the other hand, transferred to the grantee as an ordinary Title of the Kingdom. Instead, the King merely confers on the grantee, who must necessarily be a member of the King's family, a right to use the title, rather than the title itself. The concession of right is said in the RD to be "for life", but at the same time ex gratia, which is why the King can revoke it any time. The notion that it is the right to use the title which is being revoked, rather than the title itself, is made clear for example in the text of the RD 470/2015.
Another important aspect of Art. 6 is, furthermore, that the concession to members of the King's family of the right to use titles of nobility belonging to the Royal House is "personal", in addition to being "ex gratia" and "for life". That means, according to one interpretation, that the right of use of the title is strictly non-transferrable and does not extend, by courtesy, to the spouse, as it would be the case of an ordinary Title of the Kingdom.
Again, all that was ignored by the Spanish press (or maybe even the Royal Household) when they treated the dukedoms of Lugo and Palma as ordinary Spanish dukedoms to determine Jaime's and Iñaki's titulaire. Strictly speaking, however, if the King wanted to make sure that their sons-in-law had a title, the correct procedure would have been to bestow a hereditary peerage on each of them, which the King could have done, as the RD 1368/1987 says, under the powers granted to him by Art. 62(f) of the constitution. That would have required, however, another Royal Decree countersigned by the Prime Minister.
Could it have been the case that the Government was OK with the use for life of titles of nobility belonging to the Royal House by the Infantas Elena and Cristina, but did not agree to hereditary peerages for Jaime and Iñaki, which could then be transmitted to Felipe Froilán and Juan Valentin under the regular order of succession?
2 Infanta's did marry into the nobility.
Jaime de Marichalar was the son of a Count and is the younger brother to the current one.
Also the late Infanta Pilar's husband was also a noble the 2nd Viscount de la Torre. Their son Don Juan Filiberto Nicolás Gómez-Acebo is the current 3rd Viscount.
In Spain, the children of the infantes are "Grande de España", which is the highest title of the nobility, the rank below infante and above duke. With the title, they have the treatment of Most Excellent Sir/Madam.
For an example eventual children of Froilán de Marichalar will not be a Grande but a plain Mr/Mrs/Ms.
Grandchildren of Infantes/Infantas:
Excmo. Señor Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez-Bordiú [grandson of Infante Jaime]
Excmo. Señor Don Alvaro Jaime de Orleans-Borbón y Parodi Delfino [grandson of Infante Alfonso de Orleans]
Señor Don Juan de Bagration y Ulloa [grandson of Infanta Mercedes]
Spouses of the grandchildren of Infantes/Infantas:
Excma. Señora Doña Giovanna San Martino d'Aglie di San Germano [granddaughter-in-law of Infante Alfonso de Orleans]
Señora Doña Floriane del Río y Thorn [granddaughter-in-law of Infanta Mercedes]
Source: http://www.casareal.es/ES/Documents/boda/info/InvitadosCatedral.pdf
Infanta Luisa Teresa also married into the Spanish nobility with her marriage in 1847 to the Duke of Sessa.