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What I meant was, no one seemd to care about Charles and Camilla living together, so I don't see why they have a problem with William living with Kate
It was criticised in the UK (Camilla moving in).Aussie Princess said:What I meant was, no one seemd to care about Charles and Camilla living together, so I don't see why they have a problem with William living with Kate
tiaraprin said:Segolen, I think it just better to agree to disagree. You aren't going to change your opinion, and I am not going to change mine. I am not in a mood for a war of words.
I agree with you on the religious points. It is a sign of lacking restraint, not to mention as I have written before, bilking the taxpayers to pay for someone who isn't even his fiancee. Kate should be more self sufficient.Queen Astrid said:First off I am a Christian and I love royalty...Prince William is very cute!! But I disagree with his "living together" with Kate..I think it is a Sin in the Eyes of God and William is going to be the Head of the Church of England!!! This is NOT a good way to start a relationship...I think Wills should just stick to dating and not living with a girl...a nice Christian Girl would do.I just hope william realizes what he is doing is wrong thats all.
Let God Choose the mate for you William....
Exactly. It puts Kate inadvertantly in a position to do harm to William. If she writes a tell-all book she could reveal very salacious details (true or untrue the public will read and believe much of it) about their love life if she wanted. Or details about his daily routine and intimate interests. There is always a market for this, furthermore if William dumps her she will have no reason to be discreet anymore. Not to mention the general hurt of losing someone coupled with the loss of potentially becoming Princess of Wales.What if the relationship doesn't turn out? Will Kate write a tell-all book about her relationship with Wills? Or even worse, if something unsavoury about her character comes out, it will be harder for him to break it off if he's lived with her.
Thus the taxpayers will. William gets the bulk of his money from taxpayers, if not all of it.Kate is not going to be expected to contribute to the household expenses of a multimillionaire grandson of the Sovereign.
Johnny Smith doesn't have taxpayers paying for his residence and security. Not to mention Johnny Smith isn't in line for the throne.Living with Kate would not be any different than what Johnny Smith down the street is doing.
Sophie was already officially engaged. Not to mention William wants to wait to be married, it was mentioned by a poster who stated he wanted to wait until late twenties, early thirties until he ties the knot. So Kate lives in the lap of luxury until William breaks up with her, or for ten years or so until they have an official engagement.I also think this is good for Kate if she does marry William. It could be an "apprenticeship" like Sophie had.
Oh, the taxpayers will love that. The Republicans would/will have a field day with that scenario.Will all of William's girlfriends be living in Clarence house after they have been dating for a while?
Precisely, due to the fact that he would be officially engaged. Furthermore Diana was moved into Clarence House for her safety right before the engagement was announced publicly.Had William been in his 30s and planning to head down the aisle soon living together for a few months prior to the wedding would've been fine.
It's this very media Kate could use to cause trouble for William if he dumps her. PLus with her "Saint Kate" image the press would go to town on William publicity wise. The English love the underdog and William is seen as the top dog, along with the monarchy in general. The media would have tons of pictures of Kate moving her stuff out of Clarence House with a miserable look on her face, with headlines such has "KATE KICKED OUT!!" and such exaggerated headlines detailing the cruelty of William to their sainted "English Rose".We're way past the days when there could be gentlemen's agreements between the powers that be at the Palace and the editors of the majr newpapers to suppress or manipulate news. These days the editors seem to take great joy in embarrassing the royal family whenever possible,
Tzu An said:I agree with you on the religious points. It is a sign of lacking restraint, not to mention as I have written before, bilking the taxpayers to pay for someone who isn't even his fiancee. Kate should be more self sufficient.
Exactly. It puts Kate inadvertantly in a position to do harm to William. If she writes a tell-all book she could reveal very salacious details (true or untrue the public will read and believe much of it) about their love life if she wanted. Or details about his daily routine and intimate interests. There is always a market for this, furthermore if William dumps her she will have no reason to be discreet anymore. Not to mention the general hurt of losing someone coupled with the loss of potentially becoming Princess of Wales.
Thus the taxpayers will. William gets the bulk of his money from taxpayers, if not all of it.
Johnny Smith doesn't have taxpayers paying for his residence and security. Not to mention Johnny Smith isn't in line for the throne.
Sophie was already officially engaged. Not to mention William wants to wait to be married, it was mentioned by a poster who stated he wanted to wait until late twenties, early thirties until he ties the knot. So Kate lives in the lap of luxury until William breaks up with her, or for ten years or so until they have an official engagement.
Furthermore I mentioned that It puts Kate in William's power. If they have an argument, Kate will have to give in so that way William does not throw her out of the luxurious lifestyle she's accustomed to. If Kate has her own place then she can fight, argue, then retreat to her own place knowing no one can take it away. If she has to live in a less prestigious area then so be it.
Oh, the taxpayers will love that. The Republicans would/will have a field day with that scenario.
Precisely, due to the fact that he would be officially engaged. Furthermore Diana was moved into Clarence House for her safety right before the engagement was announced publicly.
It's this very media Kate could use to cause trouble for William if he dumps her. PLus with her "Saint Kate" image the press would go to town on William publicity wise. The English love the underdog and William is seen as the top dog, along with the monarchy in general. The media would have tons of pictures of Kate moving her stuff out of Clarence House with a miserable look on her face, with headlines such has "KATE KICKED OUT!!" and such exaggerated headlines detailing the cruelty of William to their sainted "English Rose".
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At the moment William is supported by his father who receives his income via profits from the Duchy of Cornwall.Tzu An said:William gets the bulk of his money from taxpayers, if not all of it.
Tzu An said:Exactly. It puts Kate inadvertantly in a position to do harm to William. If she writes a tell-all book she could reveal very salacious details (true or untrue the public will read and believe much of it) about their love life if she wanted. Or details about his daily routine and intimate interests. There is always a market for this, furthermore if William dumps her she will have no reason to be discreet anymore.
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Warren said:At the moment William is supported by his father who receives his income via profits from the Duchy of Cornwall.
When William gains access to his various trust funds he will be a self-funded multi-millionaire in fact and not just on paper.
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chrissy57 said:William will not receive any tax-payers money, other than to cover the expense directly related to being a working royal - i.e. travel to official visits - until he becomes king.
He is currently supported by the Duke of Cornwall. At 25 (I believe) he will be able to access the Trust Fund left by his mother. (He may already have access to anything left to him by his great-grandmother and Spencer grandparents, if anything was left. I don't know of any).
When Charles becomes king he will have the income of the Duchy of Cornwall estates to support him and then as King he will get a Civil List allowance to cover official costs and the income of the Duchy of Lancaster to support himself.
The cost of the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh is, I believe 61p per person per year - i.e. a loaf of bread, Charles costs 4p per person per year and no other member of the RF cost anything as the Queen repays the government for anything they receive.
tiaraprin said:That is quite hypocritcal. William and Kate have already "sinned" a great deal if we follow that line of logic.
Thi said:In others words, if you do something bad or sinful once, you can continue doing it? If they sinned, shouldnt they try to "fix" it?
cd_1 said:yes, but the 21 century doesnt condone sins
Warren said:At the moment William is supported by his father who receives his income via profits from the Duchy of Cornwall.
When William gains access to his various trust funds he will be a self-funded multi-millionaire in fact and not just on paper.
branchg said:Both William and Harry started receiving an income from their mother's trust in this year. They are permitted, with the permission of the trustees, to request additional funds when necessary (i.e. to buy a car). When they turn 25, they will receive the first of four installments of the trust's principal outright.
The Duchy of Cornwall only pays for their household expenses such as staff and food, most of which is part of their father's household anyway. Once they marry and have their own staff, the Duchy would cover these expenses. It is likely, however, some of their own private income would be used as well in the spirit of downsizing the monarchy.
Harry's polo shirt said:that is so sad. were have all the morals gone?
True, but shouldn't William sacrifice a little? He's a future king with a duty toward his people, whether he likes it or not. If he doesn't at least try to set an example then people will rightly get rid of the monarchy, or the Windsor dynasty. He's not, I repeat, NOT a normal person with a normal life ahead of him. He has privileges beyond our scope of understanding and has to repay that by doing his duty and exercising self dicipline. Let Kate live on her own, William can always visit, or Kate can visit. William has been quite spoiled (press deal, "normal college life") and it has made him less inclined to do the job his birth has required of him.As long as her sons is happy.
Tzu An said:True, but shouldn't William sacrifice a little? He's a future king with a duty toward his people, whether he likes it or not. If he doesn't at least try to set an example then people will rightly get rid of the monarchy, or the Windsor dynasty. He's not, I repeat, NOT a normal person with a normal life ahead of him. He has privileges beyond our scope of understanding and has to repay that by doing his duty and exercising self dicipline. Let Kate live on her own, William can always visit, or Kate can visit. William has been quite spoiled (press deal, "normal college life") and it has made him less inclined to do the job his birth has required of him.
Tzu An said:True, but shouldn't William sacrifice a little? He's a future king with a duty toward his people, whether he likes it or not. If he doesn't at least try to set an example then people will rightly get rid of the monarchy, or the Windsor dynasty. He's not, I repeat, NOT a normal person with a normal life ahead of him. He has privileges beyond our scope of understanding and has to repay that by doing his duty and exercising self dicipline. Let Kate live on her own, William can always visit, or Kate can visit. William has been quite spoiled (press deal, "normal college life") and it has made him less inclined to do the job his birth has required of him.
Tzu An said:True, but shouldn't William sacrifice a little? He's a future king with a duty toward his people, whether he likes it or not. If he doesn't at least try to set an example then people will rightly get rid of the monarchy, or the Windsor dynasty. He's not, I repeat, NOT a normal person with a normal life ahead of him. He has privileges beyond our scope of understanding and has to repay that by doing his duty and exercising self dicipline. Let Kate live on her own, William can always visit, or Kate can visit. William has been quite spoiled (press deal, "normal college life") and it has made him less inclined to do the job his birth has required of him.
He already has. The press has refused to harass him at all while he was at St. Andrews. He's lived with Kate and another couple not to mention he was allowed to have a private birthday party despite the vociferous protestations of parliamentarians who wanted to celebrate with a big ceremony and reception. He's been photographed it's true, but mostly in an official capacity and with his consent. He needs to suck it up and do the darn job.He has the opportunity that his father and grandmother never had--time to live life a little before taking up this tremendous burden.
He lost his beloved Mother, lived a childhood of tremendous sadness, and exploitation of his family's private life to such a degree as has never been know before in British Royal History.
the tug of war between being royal and being a "normal" human being
Tzu An said:He already has. He needs to suck it up and do the darn job.
Other children have lost their mothers in far more horrendous ways and never had the world's support, or a lavish lifestyle to help them cope. Many children have been exploited, far worse than being photographed by hungry press hounds. There's a price for the life he lives and he had better start paying up.
She was supposed to be "Diana, the Princess of Wales", not Diana 'ordinary person.'
Getting back on topic, William must let go of his dream of being ordinary. He's had it easy as anyone could hope for. People are getting rid of monarchs since they see their future monarchs as spoiled rich kids they support with their taxes. William needs to start doing the job, maintaining the pageantry and glamour of royalty, but most important, the dignity. He's gone through a divorce, a terrible one, but so have many many people of this generation. I've had a sad early childhood (divorce) and I've managed to rise above it. I did it without a royal lifestyle. So forgive me if I have little sympathy for someone who has had everything handed to him on a gold platter. Many people in the British government are calling the royals freeloaders and I am kind of agreeing with them since the younger generation are simply living the good life and not doing anything to earn it. Hate Charles as much as it might please people on this board, but he's never shirked his duty when it comes to performing his duties.
Harry's polo shirt said:that is so sad. were have all the morals gone?
cd_1 said:what do you mean?