Lady Marmalade said:Unless he proclaims it himself, it is not in the best interest to speculate. If he is gay friendly, then more power to him. There are many men comfortable in their sexuality to pose on the cover of gay magazines and I think that is wonderful. It does not mean one is gay or not gay. It can show that anyone's sexuality is acceptable, which is a great way to go.
YesRoyal Fan said:What do we know about
Ernst of Hesse
Grand Duke Sergei of Russia
any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York
So what do he do with all those ladies who go in and out his home? Do they spend the night discussing the latest fashion week?Royal Fan said:any truth their ive even heard a rumor about the current Duke of York
A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.Grand Duke Sergei of Russia
Idriel said:So what do he do with all those ladies who go in and out his home? Do they spend the night discussing the latest fashion week? A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.
lashinka2002 said:In this day and age you could get an anullment on those grounds but back then I guess that would have been scandolous. After he died Ella became a nun so she may have never had sexual relations.
So it's said.Marengo said:Isn't one of Alexander of Yougoslavia and Maria-Pia (who is now married to Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma) sons' gay?
Toledo said:She ate them?
I think gayness is a word that does not carry back with the same effect prior to gay rights in the 60's. In olden times men and women would get together and moved on with their other lives as husbands or wives.
So, there were not exactly gay by today's standards and labels, just people who loved a varied menu.
Yes, it was common for homosexual people then. However, Grand Duke Sergey probably had several same-sex liaisons with young Army officers; such things were rumoured back then in Moscow.Idriel said:...
A complicated case this one. He was asexual actually. He did not have any lover (male or female) that I ever heard of and did never touch his wife (the stunningly beautiful Grand Princess Ella). Whether he was a tortured homosexual or simply was repulsed by sex, this is debatable.
Personally, I think he was gay but because of his bigotry, felt extremely guilty about it and shun all sexual desires.
Marengo said:It didn't stop Ducky from divorcing Ernst-Ludwig of Hessen-Darmtadt (although they had intercourse, he still was gay).
What about present day royalty? Isn't one of Alexander of Yougoslavia and Maria-Pia (who is now married to Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma) sons gay, the one who is a jeweller? But these rumours stay rumours of course, an Austrian Archduke (brother of Sophie of Windisch-Graetz and grandson of Helena of Toerring-Jettenbach, sister of Marina of Kent and Olga of Greece) was supposed to be gay but recently married an Iraqi woman. It is interesting to note how the 3 greek sisters all 'produced' one or more (supposedly) gay grandson(s), with the gene theory etc.
Ella was very deeply in love with Sergei. I think that's the only reason why she never left him. Also, she still had hope things would improve. You know how we are we woman, always believing we can change our men... . I'm not totally sure about the 'never mistreated her' part in your previous post. He was certainly a very cruel men (just see how he treated Jews), and ice-cool blooded. I have read that he would exercise some kind of mental torture on his wife, or something approaching. Still she was miserable when he died.lashinka2002 said:Right, but Ducky had to divorce wheras Ella would have probably been able to obtain an anullment because the marraige was not consumated and for other reasons etc...
Ducky caught Ernst in the act whereas Ella was virtually ignorant of Sergei's sexual orientation. This played a very large role in Ducky's decision to divorce. These were two very different women of character, Ella was a very quiet devout and religious woman and Ducky was more liberal for the times.
Following Ducky's divorce and subsequent marraige the 2 suffered from scandal were shunned socially, the actually had to leave Russia at the Tsar's request, this is why they survived the revolution....
Again, I have to cringe. We are not animals, we are not driven by our hormones or genes only. People get attracted to other people for tons of reasons and a lot of heterosexual men have experimented with other men (same for women). Sexual attraction is more complex than that, IMO.Marengo, your gene theroy is interesting. I always thought it was something to do with the hormones, I don't know if that can be genetic...
Idriel said:Ella was very deeply in love with Sergei. I think that's the only reason why she never left him. Also, she still had hope things would improve. You know how we are we woman, always believing we can change our men... . I'm not totally sure about the 'never mistreated her' part in your previous post. He was certainly a very cruel men (just see how he treated Jews), and ice-cool blooded. I have read that he would exercise some kind of mental torture on his wife, or something approaching. Still she was miserable when he died.
About Ducky, it was actually her husband's father who caught his son. AFAIK, only him was ostracized after that because of how cowardly he tried to blame things on his wife during the trial that ensued.Again, I have to cringe. We are not animals, we are not driven by our hormones or genes only. People get attracted to other people for tons of reasons and a lot of heterosexual men have experimented with other men (same for women). Sexual attraction is more complex than that, IMO.
BeatrixFan said:I think a major problem is that we're sex obssessed. You don't have to have sex to make you of a certain sexuality. For example, Kenneth Williams was celibate but he had a deep attraction to men and was homosexual.
Yes, we are very progressive here at TRF, catering to all tastes and interests, with an occasional dash of discretion thrown in for good measure.Margrethe II said:My!
We have progressed have'nt we? We even have our own thread dedicated to gay royalty in general. How the times are 'a' changing "MII"
windsor the troll said:If I'm not mistaken, there was a recent hate campaign against the Swedish Royals.
The King was accused of being homosexual as was his immediate family. It was the work of a hugely homophobic site connected to some extreme church.
I linked to the site out of interest and it was vulgar. Its hopefully the last time I will come across such an ill minded site.
Warren said:With an occasional dash of discretion thrown in for good measure.
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violante said:Terrible. Must have been some fools writing this....It´s so completely ridiculous.
Marengo said:it was an american vicar who hates sweden for some strange reason. I think he even has a website stating how nice it was that so many swedish people died in the tsunami and how that was Gods punishment for them being gay. It is utterly discusting and I do not understand why the americans don't do anything about it, like sending him to a mental institution.