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Very well said Genevieve!
lucys said:I would suggest that you ignore the posts by this newest member--the board name this person has selected says all you need to know. It is a flagrant insult and should not be permitted on this board. This poster has come only to speak ill and spread salacious gossip in an effort to slander another persons reputation. Ignoring this poster, IMO, is the best option.
I agree with you Genevieve!!!Genevieve said:Nobody has ever been able to prove that there is censorship in Spain, related to the monarchy or reaching outside of it. In this thread especially some people keep bringing it up but nobody has any proof of it. A very good point I see here: if there is legimately censorship in Spain, why are ex-pats not exposing the truth about the monarchy? Perhaps because there is no truth in these allegations?
As far as I see, the Spanish media is not doing anything different than what the Danish media are doing. The Spanish media want access to the royal family because there is interest by their readers and viewers. They would not be critical of Letizia, her divorce, her family, her clothes, her hair, or whatever for fear of being cut off from the royal court. If they were to say now that Letizia is inappropriate for the role of Queen, when Letizia has her first baby the royal court would no doubt prevent them access to the official presentation of the baby or send them news updates or pictures.
And while ideally the media should be objective, fair and honest, when it comes down to it, the media is a business like any other. Publishers and CEOS and producers want their newspapers, magazines, television networks to make money so that they can make money in turn. And as long as Letizia draws interest good or bad and sells those papers and magazines and news shows through their ads and commercials, then the media will continue to cozy up to the royal house so that they can continue their access.
The same goes in Denmark with CP Mary. Nobody is screaming censorship in Denmark because not a single drop of negative ink has been spilled about Mary. She is an international fashion icon, she is an inspiration to Hollywood, she is a star in Athens, she is the prettiest CP in all of Europe, she is the smartest woman on earth, etc. The Danish media wants to be there when Mary has her first baby and if they make criticisms of her, even light or honest ones, they know that they will be cut off from her and the rest of the royal family by extension.
As for Letizia's divorce papers, why should the media have access to it? Letizia's divorce is nobody's business but hers and that of her ex-husband's.
And if your speculations -- and that is all they are -- are right that Letizia and Felipe were friends before her divorce was final -- so what? Was Letizia not allowed to have any male friends until those divorce papers were signed? Even if her marriage was obviously over and she and her husband were living seperate lives, was she supposed to walk around with a big M on her chest stating that she was married and hence could not have male friends until her divorce was final? So what if they were friends? Women seperated from their husbands, or even married women aren't allowed to have friends of the opposite sex?
CeroTolerancia said:Of course, I will never married such person without character, I may not be rich not my husband but we are usefull to the society. Is all about principles. Once Letizia was the paradigm of the pro abortion, republican and atheist's womans in Spain, is nothing wrong with that, she told everyone she was proud to pay her own rent, she dosen't even like mans sending her flowers (she used to saw that as an machist attitude) there's a couple of cronics about it, and now all the sudden she's not only the real utherus but is kissing saint's feets all around every time, there's almost no picture without Letizia kissing San Fulano or San Mengano's feets, if the Monarchy believe that this marketing campaigne will be susccesfull they don't now who wrong their are, every day Letizia seems more distant to the people. Is so pathetic. Not to mention that now she live on our taxes and buy his clothes at the finest stores, she dosen't care anymore about her career, she left every principle, every conquist behind, everything for was she fought, but wait a minut...she has what she always wanted behind her progresive mask, lets see how long she can stand that life because she's not used to be the second and live mouth shut or be the last one in the list. And the monarchy, please, always playing the most conservative role, all those years...making butch meat of the other Felipe's girlfriends or friends without compasion or regards, even womans like Sartorious, who's not only from the same world but was never married before and was really pretty back on those days didn't scape from the press, noone was never good enough for the Prince in their parent's eyes, but suddently a divorced, pro abortion and non religious woman is the right one, of course, thanks to Felipe's ultimatum. After all he's 35, is now or never. Noone can denied the fact that if the press is not talking about Letizia, except for the good things, is because the Monarchy sent a message, subliminal or not, that this time nobody in the press could open the pandora's box like before, who wants to se a future daughter in law, princess of asturias, venting her life on the press. Oh Spanyards, you can pay for the princess but you cannot know about her past, you have to like her no matter what !. The King and the Queen may play the "Happiest persons in the whole word" but everybody knows that is all a facade. Oh not to mention Letizia's family, they will finish all in good positions and buying at Christian Dior is just a matter of time....The Queen Sofia especially has not and will never agree with such matrimony inside her soul, but she's polite and educated enought to keeping the sadness for herself and smart enough not to provoce an abdication because she cares a lot about the royal crown and the succesion, but a lot of people in Spain, and I mean A LOT, dosen't agree with and dosen't like Letizia, in fact the people here is Juancarlist, not Felipista and never the less Letizista. So the future of the Monarchy in Spain is not secure anymore because people say and not without reason: if anyone can be Queen anyone can be King. The only reason to maintain the monarchy is their "blue blood", their royal ancestors, their family, the good they did once for Spain's democracy, for other things there's the Prime Minister, besides that there's no need to maintain a lovely couple half monarch half proletary, why ? I'd never liked the monarchy but I get to understand they where a symbol, can someone tell me what is Letizia a symbol for ?.
rosa said:at the time of wedding of prince felipe, I heard on french tv, that spanich people are more juan carliste than royaliste, is it true?
personnaly, I think that spanich royal family is the more pleasant in europe
I agree with you, the king work a lot for Spain, and it will be difficult to equalize him, but I also think that prince Felipe is an intelligent man, he will be also a good kingAlexandria said:I think the Spanish people really admire the King for all that he has been able to do in terms of the monarchy following the death of Franco. Many people had their own doubts about a monarchy but also about a man (Juan Carlos) who was "groomed" by a man such as Franco. But I think the King, along with the Queen, have both worked tremendously hard to make Spain a democratic nation and that both have represented their country very well.
I think there is some "concern" about how Felipe will take on the role. While he is very well liked, his father's shoes are tremendous to fill. But if Felipe is anything like his father's son, he will do a very good job for Spain, too, I think. (He already is doing a very impressive job.)
Saturn said:The Royal Family has always had a strong support from the catholic church and from the aristocracy but neither of them will accept a commoner divorcee as a future queen of Spain.
madeleine victoria said:..is the royal family popular in Spain in the sense that we can see Felipe's daughter/son accede the throne?
Gita said:I hope the monarchy stays but with more demoracy.
Henri M. said:The Spanish Civil War and the long dictatorship of Franco (who took Prince Juan Carlos under his supervision) has left it's marks in the relationship of the Spanish people with 'Madrid', especially in regions which were the most rebellious.
Like in other 'problematic' countries as Belgium, the King is seen as the personification of 'them there in Brussels' or of 'them there in Madrid'.
In the Spanish heartland (Madrid, Castilla, León, La Mancha, Aragón, Andalucía, Extremadura) the love for the monarchy is deeper rooted than in regions like Cataluña (economically the most important region), País Vasco, Galicia, etc.
biboquinhas said:What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
biboquinhas said:What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
biboquinhas said:What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
Vanesa said:And there it is my every time question: if they can't solve any problem and they are there only to show a nice face and beatiful clothes...why there is a Monarchy in Spain? And the one who is writing this, it's not a Republican, precisely.
planetcher said:It's the same case with the King and Queen as well as other Royal Houses. They don't solve problems.