First-born Child - How Long After The Wedding?


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Carl Philip and Sofia of Sweden married some days ago (13.06. 2015).


When will their first child be born ? In 2016 or later ?
 
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George and the Queen Mum
Wedding 26 april 1923
First child: 21 april 1926

Almost 3 years


Queen elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburg
wedding: 20 november 1947
first child: 14 november 1948

Almost a year

The princess royal and Mark Philips
wedding: 14 november 1973
first child: 15 november 1977

A year later

Andrew and Fergie
Wedding: 23 july 1986
first child: 8 august 1988

2 years and a half month

Anne and Mark Philips 1973-1977, 4 years and 1 day.
 
Maria Theresia (1717-1780) and Franz Stephan (1708-1765)
Married : 12.02. 1736
First Child: Maria Elisabeth 05.02. 1737 (1737-1740)
Time: 11 month 24 days

Joseph II. (1741-1790) and Isabella of Parma (1741-1763)
Married: 06.10. 1760
First child: Maria Theresia 20.03. 1762 (1762-1770)
Time: 1 year 5 month 14 days

Marie Christine (1742-1798) and Albert of Saxony (1739-1822)
Married: 05.04. 1766
First child: Christine 16.05. 1767 (1767-1767)
Time: 1 year 1 month 11 days

Maria Amalia (1746-1804) and Ferdinand of Parma (1751-1802?)
Married:19.06. 1769
First child: Karolina 22.11. 1770 (1770-1804)
Time: 1 year 5 month 3 year

Leopold (1747-1792) and Maria Ludovika of Bourbon-Spanien (1745-1792)
Married: 05.08. 1765
First child: Maria Theresia 15.01. 1767 (1767-1827)
Time: 1 year 5 month 10 days

Maria Karolina (1752-1814) and Ferdinand of Neapel (1751-18??)
Married: 07.04. 1768
First Child: Maria Theresia 06.06. 1772 (1772-1807)
Time: 4 years 1 month and 29 days


(I don't know why so many time was between marriage and the the birth of there first child. As far as I know, there marriage was consumed in the honeymoon time.)


Ferdinand (1754-1806) and Maria Beatrix of Modena-Este (1752-1829)
Married: 15.10. 1771
First child: Maria Theresia 01.11. 1773 (1773-1832)
Time: 2 years 0 month 17 days

Maria Antonia (1755-1793) and Ludwig XVI. of Frankreich (1754 -1793)
Married: 14.05. 1770
First child: Maria Theresia/Marie Therese 19.12. 1778 (1778-1851)
Time: 8 years 4 month 5 days
 
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Note: Eyery child of Maria Theresia and Franz Stephan, had as first child a Girl.


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Ludwig Ferdinand of Bourbon (1729-1765) and Maria Theresia of Spanien (1726-1746)
Married: 23.02. 1745
First child: Maria Theresia 19.07. 1746 (1746-1748)
Time: 1 Jahr 4 Monate 26 Tage

Ludwig Ferdinand of Bourbon (1729-1765) and Maria Josepha of Saxony (1731-1767)
Married: 09.02. 1747
First child: Totgeborener Sohn 30.01. 1748 (1748-1748)
Time: 11 Monate 21 Tage


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Note: Maria Josepha of Saxony was the sister of Albert of Saxony.


Another sister Maria Amalia (1724-1760, 35) was married to Charles III., King of Spain and became mother of Maria Ludovika (1745-1792) and Ferdinand (1751-18??) of Neapel.
 
Prince William and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge:
Married: April 29, 2011
First Child: July 2013
2 Years and Two Months

Crown Princess Victoria and Prince Daniel:
Married: June 2012
First Child: February 2012
1 Year and 8 Months

Victoria and Daniel married in 2010, not in 2012. ;)
 
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Maria Amalia (1746-1804) and Ferdinand of Parma (1751-1802?)
Married:19.06. 1769
First child: Karolina 22.11. 1770 (1770-1804)
Time: 1 year 5 month 3 year"


Sorry. I made a mistake.


Correct time was: 1 year 5 month 3 days.
 
Carl Philip and Sofia of Sweden
Married: 13.06. 2015
First child: Expected in 04. 2016 (some sources say 03.).
 
"Ludwig Ferdinand of Bourbon (1729-1765) and Maria Theresia of Spanien (1726-1746)
Married: 23.02. 1745
First child: Maria Theresia 19.07. 1746 (1746-1748)
Time: 1 Jahr 4 Monate 26 Tage

Ludwig Ferdinand of Bourbon (1729-1765) and Maria Josepha of Saxony (1731-1767)
Married: 09.02. 1747
First child: Totgeborener Sohn 30.01. 1748 (1748-1748)
Time: 11 Monate 21 Tage "


Correct: 1 year 7 month 5 day


First child: stillborn Boy


Time: 11 month 31 days


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Sorry, I can't edit my Posts.
 
Franz Joseph (1830-1916) and Elisabeth of Bavaria (1837-1898)
Married : 24.04. 1854
First Child: Sophie 05.03. 1855 (1855-1857)
Time: 10 month 9 days


Gisela (1856-1932) and Leopold of Bavaria (1846-1930)
Married : 20.04. 1873
First Child: Elisabeth Marie 08.01. 1874 (1874-1957)
Time: 11 month 19 days


Elisabeth was born premature , about two weeks. She had one sister and two brothers.


Rudolf (1858-1889) and Stephanie of Belgium (1864-1945)
Married : 10.05. 1881
First Child: Elisabeth 02.09. 1883 (1883-1963)
Time: 2 years, 7 month, 23 days


Only child. The could never have children again, 'cause Rudolf gave an illness to Stephanie.


Rudolf and Stephanie were distantly related. They shared the same great-grandparents: Leopold of Austria (1747-1792) and Maria Ludovika of Bourbon-Spain (1745-1792).

Marie Valerie (1868-1924) and Franz Salvator, Archduke of Austria (1866-1939)
Married : 31.07. 1890
First Child: Elisabeth 27.01. 1892 (1892-1930)
Time: 1 year 4 month, 27 days


Elisabeth had five sisters (one of them died soon after birth, in 1911) and four brothers.


Leopold of Bavaria and Franz Salvator were first cousins, 'cause Leopolds mother Auguste Ferdinande (1825-1864) and Franz Salvators father Charles (1844-1892) were halb-siblings, who shared the same father. Charles died on 18.01. 1892 in Vienna, some days before this grand-daughter Elisabeth was born.


Gisela and Leopold were second cousins (Cousin/e 2. Grades) , Marie Valerie and Franz Salvator were third cousins (Cousine 3. Grades).
 
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Albert and Charlene of Monaco
wedding july 1st 2011
Births of Jacques and Gabriella of Monaco
december 10th 2014
3 years and 5 months
 
Madeleine of Sweden (1982) and Christopher O' Neil (1974)

Married: 08.06. 2013

First Child: Leonore (20.02. 2014)

8 month and 12 days.

Second Child: Nicolas (15.06. 2015)
 
Karl Theodor, Kurfürst of Bavaria (1724-1799) and his first wife Elisabeth Auguste (cousine) (1721-1794).

Married: 17.01. 1742 (her 21st birthday)

First Child: Franz Ludwig Joseph (28.06.1761) (died 29.06.1761)

19 years, 5 month and 11 days.

Karl Theodor married later Maria Leopoldine of Modena-Este (1776-1848), but had no issue with her.
 
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Friedrich August III. /I. King of Saxony (1750-1827) and Amalie, Princess of Pfalz-Zweibrücken (1752-1828).

Married: 29.01. 1769

First child: Maria Augusta (21.06. 1782 - 14.03. 1863)

12 years 4 month 23 days.

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Anton of Saxony (1755-1836), brother of Friedrich August, and Maria Theresia, Princess of Toskana (1767-1827), his second wife.

Married: 18.10. 1787

First child: Maria Ludovika (14.03. 1795 - 25.04. 1796)

8 years 4 month 24 days

Anton and Maria Theresia had 4 children (1 son and 3 daughters), but all of the died in childhood.

Anton was married first to Charlotte, Princess of Sardinia (1764-1782), 1781-1782, but had no issue with her.
 
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Carl Philip of Sweden and Sofia Hellqvist:

Married: 13.06. 2015

First Child: Alexander (19.04. 2016)

10 Month 2 days.
 
Gisela (1856-1932) and Leopold of Bavaria (1846-1930)
Married : 20.04. 1873
First Child: Elisabeth Marie 08.01. 1874 (1874-1957)
Time: 11 month 19 days

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Correctur: 8 month 19 days
 
Gisela (1856-1932) and Leopold of Bavaria (1846-1930)
Married : 20.04. 1873
First Child: Elisabeth Marie 08.01. 1874 (1874-1957)
Time: 11 month 19 days

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Correctur: 8 month 19 days
Either little Elisabeth Marie was in a hurry to get out or Leopold was in a hurry to... see Giselas petticoat 😜
 
Madeleine of Sweden (1982) and Christopher O' Neil (1974)

Married: 08.06. 2013

First Child: Leonore (20.02. 2014)

8 month and 12 days.

Second Child: Nicolas (15.06. 2015)


Was Madeleine pregnant on the wedding day or was Leonore born early? I thought she was due the first week of March. (As a comparison, my paternal grandparents got married on September 6th '47 and my uncle was born on May 6th '48, exactly 8 months after the wedding. For the longest time I thought my grandma was a month pregnant when she got married, but when I asked my dad about it, he said "No, Uncle Bill was premature.")


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Either little Elisabeth Marie was in a hurry to get out or Leopold was in a hurry to... see Giselas petticoat 😜


Elisabeth Marie was born premature, about two weeks, as far as I know.

"Leopold was in a hurry to ... see Giselas petticoat 😄." *loooooooool*
 
Was Madeleine pregnant on the wedding day or was Leonore born early? I thought she was due the first week of March. (As a comparison, my paternal grandparents got married on September 6th '47 and my uncle was born on May 6th '48, exactly 8 months after the wedding. For the longest time I thought my grandma was a month pregnant when she got married, but when I asked my dad about it, he said "No, Uncle Bill was premature.")


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I don't know excactly. Both can be: Leonore was born premature or Madeleine was pregnant at the wedding.

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Claire and Felix of Luxemburg:

Married: 13.09. 2013

First Child: Amalia 15.06. 2014

9 Month 2 days.

Here the same: Was the bride pregnant at the time of the wedding or was it a honey-moon child or was it born premature ?

Second Child: Liam 28.11. 2016
 
Either little Elisabeth Marie was in a hurry to get out or Leopold was in a hurry to... see Giselas petticoat 😜

As far as I know, the girl was born two weeks premature.
 
Was Madeleine pregnant on the wedding day or was Leonore born early? I thought she was due the first week of March. (As a comparison, my paternal grandparents got married on September 6th '47 and my uncle was born on May 6th '48, exactly 8 months after the wedding. For the longest time I thought my grandma was a month pregnant when she got married, but when I asked my dad about it, he said "No, Uncle Bill was premature.")


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She was probably nine days early:

https://www.babymed.com/tools/retro-conception-birthday-calculator?due-date=2/20/2014&weeks=40

Prince Alexander of Liechrtenstein & King Abdullah of Jordan - respectively 15 and 16 days early (but it's already considered a full term)

Ones that could in fact be premature were: Prince Alexandre of Belgium (exactly six weeks) and King Michael of Romania (five weeks and two days)
 
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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

Wedding: May 18, 2018
First child: May 6, 2019

11 months and 17 days.
 
I don't know excactly. Both can be: Leonore was born premature or Madeleine was pregnant at the wedding.

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Claire and Felix of Luxemburg:

Married: 13.09. 2013

First Child: Amalia 15.06. 2014

9 Month 2 days.

Here the same: Was the bride pregnant at the time of the wedding or was it a honey-moon child or was it born premature ?

Second Child: Liam 28.11. 2016
It was most likely a honeymoon child. For the child to be born at 9 months and still be conceived prior (in the few days leading up) to the wedding, she must have been overdue by about 1 1/2 weeks to 2 weeks. That combination of circumstances seems highly unlikely.

It's important to take into account that the '9 months' is not exactly 9 months, nor is the 40 weeks counted from the moment a child is conceived (but from the last period - about 2 weeks before ovulation).

If a bride would get pregnant from her wedding night, the due date would be about 9 months minus 1 week (i.e. 38 weeks after wedding). So, non-premature babies conceived after the wedding day could be born from 8 weeks and 1 1/2 weeks (taking into account that most months count about 4 1/2 weeks; and being born between 2 weeks prior until 2 weeks after due date is considered full-term).
 
Depending on the length of the honeymoon, she may not have even been a honeymoon baby.

If she was born on her due date, the range for intercourse and conception is September 19-29. Even at the earliest end of that spectrum her conception was a week after the wedding. Certainly not a pre-wedding baby.

https://www.calculator.net/pregnanc...dWeek=22&cUltrasoundDay=6&printit=0&x=91&y=14

If the baby was conceived on their wedding night, the due date would have been more then a week earlier. It would have been around June 6.
 
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Depending on the length of the honeymoon, she may not have even been a honeymoon baby.

If she was born on her due date, the range for intercourse and conception is September 19-29. Even at the earliest end of that spectrum her conception was a week after the wedding. Certainly not a pre-wedding baby.

https://www.calculator.net/pregnanc...dWeek=22&cUltrasoundDay=6&printit=0&x=91&y=14

If the baby was conceived on their wedding night, the due date would have been more then a week earlier. It would have been around June 6.

The wedding took place on the 17th (religious wedding on the 21st); so the 'most probable days' (17 - 24) are exactly the week from civil wedding until 1 week after civil wedding.

So, I agree that there is lots of reason to assume that she was a honeymoon child but even with this due date it could be wedding night. A due date of June 6 would make wedding night unlikely (most probable: 8 - 15).

N.B. Feels a bit weird to look into it in so much detail; mainly wanted to make sure that people would not start questioning babies born at 9 months after marriage as that is very much within the expected timeframe for a honeymoon baby; 8 months not so much.
 
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Except that Amalia was born on the 15th, not the 20th :flowers: and the wedding took place on the 17th (religious wedding on the 21st); so the 'most probable days' are exactly the week from civil wedding until 1 week after civil wedding.

I fixed my post when I realized I put the wrong date. If you click my link, you will see it is based on a June 15th due date. And the range of 19-29 was adjusted to reflect that.

Unfortunately I look the OP as being accurate when said wedding date was September 13 not 17th.:ermm:


Most probable date of intercourse was 17-24 so either wedding night or up to a week later. But still a post wedding baby either way.
 
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Guillaume and Stephanie of Luxemburg:
Married: October 2012
First child: Due in May 2020

7 Years 6 month and a lot of days.
 
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