Duchess of Cornwall Jewellery 2: Feb-Nov 2005

[Elspeth]

Well, I'm glad they haven't hacked it about to turn it into something other than what it was, especially with its historical importance, but it must be absolutely enormous. On someone with less hair, it'd end up being a collar.

 

[seto]

If it was not altered then wouldn't you see the whole thing? It tapers at the sides like a normal tiara.

 

[Warren]

Not proven yet

Thanks Xicamaluca. This is the video referred to earlier.
Umm, I'm yet to be convinced. From what others had stated it was obvious the Delhi Durbar was still a diadem, but the video does not establish this. The tiara certainly goes round quite a bit, but we don't get a clear view of the back.

The case is still open.

Whatever, it is certainly a most glittering jewel. Whenever Camilla moves her head the tiara just sparkles.

In this video , almost in the end of the report about the visit, you can see another view from Camilla wearing the tiara and it looks like that the Delhi Durbar it's still a full circle. I hope that helps From TV2 http://webtv.tv2.no/webtv/?treeId=101&progId=65239&itemId=114262

 

[seto]

Is it possible her hair is covering the sides of the tiara? It still doesn't look like the picture I have seen it looks big and it seems she would have to wear it on top of her head not like she has it,if it weren't altered.

 

[Warren]

If it was not altered then wouldn't you see the whole thing? It tapers at the sides like a normal tiara.

No, it doesn't taper. It was made as a full circle diadem and if it was "reconstructed" for Camilla to make it taper, the lyre pattern would be destroyed. There is no evidence of that in what we have seen and its unlikely the Queen would have allowed it. A split down the back of it maybe, but nothing radical. We may have to wait for P de V and Hello! to see if they have pics showing us whether it remains a full circle or not.
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[florawindsor]

when do royal women wear tiaras?

 

[seto]

Well whatever they did it is a beautiful piece.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

I liked this one on here as a smaller one would have been lost in hear feathery hairstyle. If she had straight, and long flowing hair like Mary or Mette Marit, she could have gotten away with a smaller tiara.

This is one of the grander pieces. It does look like it was opened in the back to allow it to lay on her head like a normal tiara not a crown.

 

[Elspeth]

when do royal women wear tiaras?

They wear them at official and formal events when they're wearing evening dress, as far as I can tell. The exception is that in Britain, for some reason that I have no idea about, tiaras are never worn in hotels.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Re:

From Lady Troubridge's Book of Etiquette, 1928

"Tiaras should be worn at all State Functions and you will be made aware of the requirement. When investing in a tiara, one should not plump for a vast creation that could overshadow the tiara worn by ladies of the Royal Family."

and later....

"Tiaras are never worn at private parties or in a setting where corporate buisness is discussed."

 

[branchg]

In this video , almost in the end of the report about the visit, you can see another view from Camilla wearing the tiara and it looks like that the Delhi Durbar it's still a full circle. I hope that helps

From TV2
http://webtv.tv2.no/webtv/?treeId=101&progId=65239&itemId=114262

This doesn't tell me anything except Camilla has a very large tiara. The diadem was clearly modified, otherwise it would have to be right on the top of her head if it was still enclosed. There is no way to fit the piece headband style with the sides tapered if it wasn't.

 

[branchg]

No Diana, did not wear a tiara to the White House dinner. That state dinner was the one she wore the saphire and pearl choker with the saphire blue gown. That was the dinner she danced with John Travolta. SHe wore the Lover's knot tiara at the dinner hosted at the British EMbassy.

The state dinner you are referring to was Diana's first as Princess of Wales. The picture I have is the second visit she made a few years later.

She is wearing her tiara and choker with a white dress on the steps of the White House with Nancy Reagan next to her shaking Prince Charles' hand while President Reagan is gesturing to Nancy. There are two Marines in formal dress by the entrance to the White House.

 

[xicamaluca]

This doesn't tell me anything except Camilla has a very large tiara. The diadem was clearly modified, otherwise it would have to be right on the top of her head if it was still enclosed. There is no way to fit the piece headband style with the sides tapered if it wasn't.

I didn´t said that the tiara was a full circle, only that looked like and that some people said that. I only left the video for you to see and that your conclusions about the subject

Althought i love to see royal jewels, i don´t know much (almost nothing) about them. But i also don´t see a full cicle tiara fit on Camilla's head, only if was a large tiara.

 

[Elspeth]

From Lady Troubridge's Book of Etiquette, 1928

"Tiaras should be worn at all State Functions and you will be made aware of the requirement. When investing in a tiara, one should not plump for a vast creation that could overshadow the tiara worn by ladies of the Royal Family."

and later....

"Tiaras are never worn at private parties or in a setting where corporate buisness is discussed."

Right - so if a discussion about corporate business breaks out, all the ladies have to take off their tiaras immediately!

The joys of early 20th century life...

 

[branchg]

when do royal women wear tiaras?

Any state banquet, Opening of Parliament, state visit or formal royal occasions in the evening are the usual events where protocol requires a tiara for Royal Highnesses.

For private events in the evening (i.e. a cultural event) in a non-royal location, it is considered to be inappropriate to wear a tiara, even for the Queen. And of course, non-royals should never wear a tiara in the presence of royalty unless they are British peers at a British event.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Re:

Right - so if a discussion about corporate business breaks out, all the ladies have to take off their tiaras immediately

I love it Elspeth! That book is full of brilliant rules to follow. One of my favourites is "A Gentleman never attempts to discuss sports with ladies but a lady may enjoy a light and short conversation about hunting, shooting or riding"

 

[Elspeth]

Any state banquet, Opening of Parliament, state visit or formal royal occasions in the evening are the usual events where protocol requires a tiara for Royal Highnesses.

For private events in the evening (i.e. a cultural event) in a non-royal location, it is considered to be inappropriate to wear a tiara, even for the Queen. And of course, non-royals should never wear a tiara in the presence of royalty unless they are British peers at a British event.

Earlier in her reign she did get dolled up in a tiara and the works for royal command performances in theatres and cinemas; I think I've seen pictures of her at those events looking pretty much like she looked when attending some official occasion at the Palace. These days things are quite a lot less formal.

 

[Ennyllorac]

The state dinner you are referring to was Diana's first as Princess of Wales. The picture I have is the second visit she made a few years later.

She is wearing her tiara and choker with a white dress on the steps of the White House with Nancy Reagan next to her shaking Prince Charles' hand while President Reagan is gesturing to Nancy. There are two Marines in formal dress by the entrance to the White House.

I know we are off topic but this is driving me crazy. I think I am getting forgetful but if I recall correctly Diana and Charles only made one state visit here. Though they visited on other occasions separately Do you have the picture to share? I just read an article saying that this is Charles first State visit in more than 20 years.

Now to get this back on topic, who knows the correct protocol? I know the Queen did wear a tiara when she visited George and Barbara Bush in the late 80's. Does Camilla wear one?

 

[Squidgy]

I know we are off topic but this is driving me crazy. I think I am getting forgetful but if I recall correctly Diana and Charles only made one state visit here. Though they visited on other occasions separately Do you have the picture to share? I just read an article saying that this is Charles first State visit in almost 20 years.

Your memory is just fine Ennyllorac. In 1985, Diana made her one & only state visit to the USA. She only wore a tiara once while there.

Photo: Rex.

 

[branchg]

I know we are off topic but this is driving me crazy. I think I am getting forgetful but if I recall correctly Diana and Charles only made one state visit here. Though they visited on other occasions separately Do you have the picture to share? I just read an article saying that this is Charles first State visit in almost 20 years.

Now to get this back on topic, who knows the correct protocol? I know the Queen did wear a tiara when she visited George and Barbara Bush in the late 80's. Does Camilla wear one?

I believe they made two official visits during Reagan's presidency, while the Queen made one, but I could be wrong.

As far as I know, the protocol for wearing a tiara at the White House is that it is acceptable for a Sovereign as Head of State as well as a crown prince/princess representing the Sovereign as head of state of the country.

All other royals are forbidden to wear a tiara at the White House because it symbolizes the temporal power of a throne, which is considered to be inappropriate in the presence of the President of the United States.

 

[Ennyllorac]

Your memory is just fine Ennyllorac. In 1985, Diana made her one & only state visit to the USA. She only wore a tiara once while there.

Photo: Rex.

Thanks Squidgy, That's the picture from the British Embassy where Vice-President Bush and his wife Barbara attended. I am so glad my memory is intact.

 

[Warren]

I didn´t said that the tiara was a full circle, only that looked like and that some people said that. I only left the video for you to see and that your conclusions about the subject

And thanks Xicamaluca for providing us with the link to the video:
From TV2 http://webtv.tv2.no/webtv/?treeId=1...9&itemId=114262

In the "full screen" mode (the button next to the right of the plus sign), there are two points where we see more of the side/not quite rear view: when Camilla is escorted by Haakon to the table, and later when, tiara shimmering, she turns her head. Not enough to determine either way, except that we can all agree that this tiara is HUGE.
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[CasiraghiTrio]

Source: www.hola.es

History of the Queen Mary empress of india tiara that Camilla has worn recently (all from www.hola.es) and also a collage of pics I put together showing "then and now" the tiara. All pics used in collage are from hola. Article is in Spanish. you can translate using www.freetranslations.com



[Added in edit: Since the article is in Spanish, I've deleted the cut-and-paste. Anybody wishing to do the translation at the freetranslations site can get the text from the hola.es link. If anyone would like to give an overview in English, please send it to me by PM and I'll post it here.

Elspeth

Royal Jewels moderator]

 

[florawindsor]

thank you BeatrixFan, Elspeth and Branchg for the answer. I got it, so basically tiaras are only worn at state functions.

 

[ysbel]

As far as I know, the protocol for wearing a tiara at the White House is that it is acceptable for a Sovereign as Head of State as well as a crown prince/princess representing the Sovereign as head of state of the country.

Oh my my, branchg, that means if Camilla wears a tiara at the White House, it will start tongues wagging even more!

 

[seto]

I would hope it wouldn't get tongues wagging after all they are representing the queen.

 

[Incas]

I like Camilla's tiara. It's not so "cutesy" or girlish. Very impressive.

 

[branchg]

Oh my my, branchg, that means if Camilla wears a tiara at the White House, it will start tongues wagging even more!

Why? Camilla is the wife of the future king and on representational duty with her husband on behalf of the Crown. Protocol allows her to wear her tiara when appropriate.

 

[wymanda]

All other royals are forbidden to wear a tiara at the White House because it symbolizes the temporal power of a throne, which is considered to be inappropriate in the presence of the President of the United States.

These people must really be insecure in their station!!!!!

 

[branchg]

These people must really be insecure in their station!!!!!

Not really. It's just a tradition because the USA was founded on the principle of rejecting British taxation and rule from the Sovereign from afar. Our Constitution specifically forbids noble titles and styles as a result of the Revolution. George Washington was offered the position of King, but he rejected it as contrary to democratic principles and a republic of sovereign states.