Discussion about Princess Sofia's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

[princess maggie]

@Queen Claude I recall reading that Princess Sofia when asked about her past in a pre-wedding interview said she was not ashamed of the things she had done because your past experiences are what build your character but given the option now she would probably make a different choice.
NOW before everyone goes into attack mode I am writing the above in my own words and not quoting the Princess directly.
The pre wedding interview is on you tube and was,done by STV I think.
Perhaps one of our Swedish contributors could tells us what the exact words were. I have tried to find the interview in English but no luck.

 

[Lady Nimue]

It is not unusual that a Princess misses a State Banquet. Madeleine has missed out on many, and even the Crown Princess does not attend at all State Visits. Imo there is no reason to read so much into Sofia's absence.

Especially given she's pregnant. Who knows how she was feeling that day. Things happen.

 

[Madame Verseau]

The official story from the CIO was Sofia missed the banquet for a PP anniversary. Illness was never cited and would be have been understood.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

The official story from the CIO was Sofia missed the banquet for a PP anniversary. Illness was never cited and would be have been understood.

I must have missed this, who exactly doesn't "understand" the actual reason why she could attend the state banquet?

The news stories are implying Sofia is bringing nothing new to the table, so they'll bring up her past. I think these stories were triggered by Sofia being a no show at the Tunisian state visit. The palace put out an explanation...but still Sofia is starting to get bad press, and that includes her past coming back to haunt her.

That's not true and I think you know that There are constantly stories in the tabloids about e.g. Mary and Frederik or William and Catherine – are they not "bringing anything new to the table" either? Quite on the contrary, I think it's safe to establish by now that Sofia is very well-liked, passionate about her work and even more so, good at her work.

It's honestly hilarious to me that people are so adamant to see Sofia fail that when she then turns out to be popular and good at her job, they go to such great lengths to bring her down. I mean... wow.

 

[princess carmen]

Those who don't liker her will never give her a chance the blinders will never come off.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

Princess Sofia of Sweden kisses young man in a swimming pool in movie stills | Daily Mail Online

 

[princess maggie]

Sofia was good at her job then and she seems to be good at her job now.

 

[Lady Nimue]

Sofia was good at her job then and she seems to be good at her job now.

I concur.

 

[Lee-Z]

Princess Sofia of Sweden kisses young man in a swimming pool in movie stills | Daily Mail Online

Even has the shirt on under water very prude

 

[Muhler]

https://www.whimn.com.au/talk/news/...d/news-story/09fac5fa4d326331566e0fdee70a9038

A pretty silly article by Whimn, an Australian gossip site. In English.

It basically says that there may some controversy with Meghan, but we've someone who is more controversial, yippee!

I had considerable reservations about Sofia before she married Carl Phillip. However I'm happy to admit that she to my knowledge hasn't put a foot wrong, and apart from childish articles like this, her past really hasn't been that big an issue. (It helps that she's a secondary royal of course.)

 

[Somebody]

She is comparable to Meghan in her position (well, not yet, Meghan will have to wait a little longer before being the wife of the monarch's second child).

The main thing I think she/they should have handled differently is the promotion of Project Playground as a royal endeavour while it was a private endeavour probably partly set up to change her image. Having a family member (her sister) work for such an organization that is sponsored/promoted by the royal family isn't the best move either. So, it's good that that is no longer the case.

 

[Lady Nimue]

https://www.whimn.com.au/talk/news/...d/news-story/09fac5fa4d326331566e0fdee70a9038

A pretty silly article by Whimn, an Australian gossip site. In English.

It basically says that there may some controversy with Meghan, but we've someone who is more controversial, yippee!

I had considerable reservations about Sofia before she married Carl Phillip. However I'm happy to admit that she to my knowledge hasn't put a foot wrong, and apart from childish articles like this, her past really hasn't been that big an issue. (It helps that she's a secondary royal of course.)

It's all been remarkably discreet. Hardly know she's around. I will say marriage and motherhood agree with her. (Such handsome children!) She has bloomed. It helps that there is clear support from within the royal family, like from Madeleine. All looks solid.

 

[Blog Real]

To some extent we can compare Sofia and Meghan. But her past has not been such a big problem (of course Carl Philip not being the first in the line of succession to the throne also helps).
But basically they just showed the photos she made for a magazine and talked about her having participated in the "Paradise Hotel".
Apparently the closest family to Sofia (father, mother and sisters) has been discreet and have never spoken publicly of her.

Meanwhile, Meghan has had a more difficult start. Her family does not leave her in peace and they have already spoken very ill of her.

But I like the way Sofia never reneged on her past. She has been discreet and did a good job. And it seems to me that Sofia was supported by the royal family. Sofia and Carl Philip make a lovely couple and their children are beautiful.

 

[Countessmeout]

Your comparison isn't fair at all.

You are comparing personal decisions vs family.

Sofia and Meghan's careers are not comparable. Sofia modeled nude and appeared in a very questionable reality show. Meghan, while yes she has had some scenes with nudity, is a serious actress.

Good or bad, Sofia CHOSE to model nude and appear on such shows. That she stands by her choices is good.

Meghan is stuck with her family. She has no control over her family, or any choice in them. No one does.

Comparing Sofia's questionable CHOICES to the family Meghan was BORN into is an unfair comparison at best

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I totally agree.

For me the most significant difference is that Meghan's social consciousness and charity work began very early in her life-some say even in childhood.

NOT after she met and began dating a Royal prince.

 

[Blog Real]

On the Royal Household website, it says that Princess Sofia took independent courses in global ethics, child and youth studies, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child in Swedish theory and practice, and gender and international relations at Stockholm University.

H.K.H. Prinsessan Sofia

Sofia, Prinsessa av Sverige, Hertiginna av Värmland, föddes den 6 dec 1984 på Danderyds sjukhus. Förmäld den 13 jun 2015 med H.K.H. Prins Carl Philip.

www.kungahuset.se

Does she have any degree?

 

[iceflower]

There also is an English version available:

HRH Princess Sofia

SOFIA Kristina, Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Värmland, born on 6 December 1984. Married on 13 June 2015 to HRH Prince Carl Philip.

www.kungahuset.se

The way it is worded ("took independent courses") it can be assumed that she took certain courses at the University of Stockholm out of interest and for further education, but not that she actually studied those courses. In this sense, she cannot have obtained any degrees.

 

[Queen Claude]

On the Royal Household website, it says that Princess Sofia took independent courses in global ethics, child and youth studies, the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child in Swedish theory and practice, and gender and international relations at Stockholm University.

H.K.H. Prinsessan Sofia

Sofia, Prinsessa av Sverige, Hertiginna av Värmland, föddes den 6 dec 1984 på Danderyds sjukhus. Förmäld den 13 jun 2015 med H.K.H. Prins Carl Philip.

www.kungahuset.se

Does she have any degree?

No. She may have certifications, but if that is the case, any consequential ones would likely be included in the bio.

 

[Mbruno]

No. She may have certifications, but if that is the case, any consequential ones would likely be included in the bio.

Were the courses she took part of her preparation to be a Princess of Sweden, or did she take them as a private citizen before she got married or engaged?

 

[Blog Real]

Were the courses she took part of her preparation to be a Princess of Sweden, or did she take them as a private citizen before she got married or engaged?

She took these courses before she married Prince Carl Philip, but I don't know what year she started taking them.

 

[Lee-Z]

It's interesting that 7 years ago we were comparing Sofia and her past career to Meghan Markle and her career...
I don't think any of us could have imagined how it turned out with the way both settled into royal life (or failing to..)

 

[LadyFinn]

The Royal House confirms to DN Dagens Nyheter that Sofia met Jeffrey Epstein several times in various social contexts.
DN Dagens Nyheter:
Businesswoman Barbro Ehnbom put young Swedish women from her network in contact with the now-infamous sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
One of them was Princess Sofia, who met the billionaire several times, DN can reveal. He also offered to arrange acting training for her.

Princess Sofia has not agreed to an interview, but the court confirms that she met Jeffrey Epstein several times in various social contexts.
“Princess Sofia has been introduced to the person in question on a few occasions around 2005,” their information department wrote in an email to DN.
The court does not answer where, how, or why she met Jeffrey Epstein. The court does not provide an answer as to whether it is true that Princess Sofia received the offer.
“Princess Sofia has neither applied for nor attended any form of acting training,” they write.
But Sofia’s friend Camilla, who is mentioned in the email, says that they met Jeffrey Epstein at an office in New York – a meeting arranged by Barbro Ehnbom.
It is true that Epstein, who called himself “Jeff”, then offered her and Sofia to go to “film school”, Camilla tells DN.
– He probably wanted to throw out an offer, to show that he could and had power and money.

Prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein flera gånger

Prinsessan Sofia träffade sexförbrytaren Jeffrey Epstein flera gånger, kan DN avslöja. Miljardären erbjöd sig att ordna en skådespelarutbildning åt henne.

www.dn.se

SVT and TV4 quote the article

Hovet: Prinsessan Sofia har träffat Jeffrey Epstein

Sexförbrytaren Jeffrey Epstein hade kontakt med en svensk finanskvinna. Hon presenterade honom för prinsessan Sofia, rapporterar DN. Hovet bekräftar att prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein några gånger.

www.svt.se

Prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein – flera gånger

Prinsessan Sofia erbjöds biljett till Karibien • Mejl och möten i New York

www.tv4.se

 

[Blog Real]

I hope that Princess Sofia's past connections with Jeffrey Epstein do not tarnish the Princess's reputation or harm her work as a member of the royal family.

 

[Biri]

She was a "candidate" for a victim of Epstein, not his accomplice.

 

[JR76]

The Royal House confirms to DN Dagens Nyheter that Sofia met Jeffrey Epstein several times in various social contexts.
DN Dagens Nyheter:
Businesswoman Barbro Ehnbom put young Swedish women from her network in contact with the now-infamous sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
One of them was Princess Sofia, who met the billionaire several times, DN can reveal. He also offered to arrange acting training for her.

Princess Sofia has not agreed to an interview, but the court confirms that she met Jeffrey Epstein several times in various social contexts.
“Princess Sofia has been introduced to the person in question on a few occasions around 2005,” their information department wrote in an email to DN.
The court does not answer where, how, or why she met Jeffrey Epstein. The court does not provide an answer as to whether it is true that Princess Sofia received the offer.
“Princess Sofia has neither applied for nor attended any form of acting training,” they write.
But Sofia’s friend Camilla, who is mentioned in the email, says that they met Jeffrey Epstein at an office in New York – a meeting arranged by Barbro Ehnbom.
It is true that Epstein, who called himself “Jeff”, then offered her and Sofia to go to “film school”, Camilla tells DN.
– He probably wanted to throw out an offer, to show that he could and had power and money.

Prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein flera gånger

Prinsessan Sofia träffade sexförbrytaren Jeffrey Epstein flera gånger, kan DN avslöja. Miljardären erbjöd sig att ordna en skådespelarutbildning åt henne.

www.dn.se

SVT and TV4 quote the article

Hovet: Prinsessan Sofia har träffat Jeffrey Epstein

Sexförbrytaren Jeffrey Epstein hade kontakt med en svensk finanskvinna. Hon presenterade honom för prinsessan Sofia, rapporterar DN. Hovet bekräftar att prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein några gånger.

www.svt.se

Prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein – flera gånger

Prinsessan Sofia erbjöds biljett till Karibien • Mejl och möten i New York

www.tv4.se

I thought we knew this already?

I hope that Princess Sofia's past connections with Jeffrey Epstein do not tarnish the Princess's reputation or harm her work as a member of the royal family.

It didn't tarnish the reputation of Crown Princess Mette-Marit and it won't tarnish that off Princess Sofia.

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

She was a "candidate" for a victim of Epstein, not his accomplice.

That is indeed what it sounds like. Lucky for Sofia that she got away!!
Barbro Ehnbom sounds extremely questionable - sending young Swedish women to Epstein!!

 

[Sun Lion]

The Royal House confirms to DN Dagens Nyheter that Sofia met Jeffrey Epstein several times in various social contexts.
DN Dagens Nyheter:
Businesswoman Barbro Ehnbom put young Swedish women from her network in contact with the now-infamous sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
One of them was Princess Sofia, who met the billionaire several times, DN can reveal. He also offered to arrange acting training for her.

Princess Sofia has not agreed to an interview, but the court confirms that she met Jeffrey Epstein several times in various social contexts.
“Princess Sofia has been introduced to the person in question on a few occasions around 2005,” their information department wrote in an email to DN.
The court does not answer where, how, or why she met Jeffrey Epstein. The court does not provide an answer as to whether it is true that Princess Sofia received the offer.
“Princess Sofia has neither applied for nor attended any form of acting training,” they write.
But Sofia’s friend Camilla, who is mentioned in the email, says that they met Jeffrey Epstein at an office in New York – a meeting arranged by Barbro Ehnbom.
It is true that Epstein, who called himself “Jeff”, then offered her and Sofia to go to “film school”, Camilla tells DN.
– He probably wanted to throw out an offer, to show that he could and had power and money.

Prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein flera gånger

Prinsessan Sofia träffade sexförbrytaren Jeffrey Epstein flera gånger, kan DN avslöja. Miljardären erbjöd sig att ordna en skådespelarutbildning åt henne.

www.dn.se

SVT and TV4 quote the article

Hovet: Prinsessan Sofia har träffat Jeffrey Epstein

Sexförbrytaren Jeffrey Epstein hade kontakt med en svensk finanskvinna. Hon presenterade honom för prinsessan Sofia, rapporterar DN. Hovet bekräftar att prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein några gånger.

www.svt.se

Prinsessan Sofia träffade Epstein – flera gånger

Prinsessan Sofia erbjöds biljett till Karibien • Mejl och möten i New York

www.tv4.se

And offered her a ticket to go down to his island.

This is starting to spread across several media outlets.

“the little beautiful dark haired girl”, “delighted with his invitation” … from one of the emails.

Here’s an article in English …

LEAK: Swedish Princess Sofia and Epstein met several times - The Nordic Times

The Royal Court confirms that she met the convicted sex offender several times in 2005 through financier Barbro Ehnbom.

nordictimes.com

 

[Curryong]

Extremely embarrassing but 20 years ago Sofia probably thought of Epstein as just a pleasant wealthy US businessman. It’s what Barbro Ehnbom knew of his activities at the time that’s surely in question, however?

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I have read that Epstein once spotted a young Princess Madeleine at a social gathering and his eyes lit up. He was discouraged from getting anywhere near her when he learned-from her bodyguards- that she was a daughter of the King of Sweden and unlikely to be interested in "modeling" for him.

Is there ANY socially prominent person in Europe or the USA that has not been infected by association with this horrible person?

I can picture a mini cam in Hell, from which he is greatly enjoying the havoc he continues to wreak in peoples lives.

ETA: With the release of more and more classified Epstein information, the public should prepare to be appalled/disgusted.

 

[Queen Claude]

Extremely embarrassing but 20 years ago Sofia probably thought of Epstein as just a pleasant wealthy US businessman. It’s what Barbro Ehnbom knew of his activities at the time that’s surely in question, however?

Agree. I particularly question why someone whose intent is to help women with business networking feels the need to send photos of the women to Epstein.