Discussion about Princess Sofia's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

[Lee-Z]

^^^^^^^
the point is: Europe is not the USofA
things that cause big drama in the USofA are regarded not important in Europe and vice-versa
If P.C-P *was* an american citizen and running for presidency, i'm sure what you say would happen

but....

he's not, and it's pointless to try to project USofA culture or values on the Swedish society, and the latter is the one that P.Sofia is having to fit in

 

[princess maggie]

I doubt the Swedish public has any interest whatsoever in Sofia's school grades, or wants to know if she had detention

Or if she was potty trained at the "proper age". LOL.
I agree that things that make headlines in the USA are considered silly in Europe(tabloid headlines that is) .

Also US president is an elected position and royalty in Sweden is not.
Not judging just stating a fact.

 

[LadyFinn]

Bunte has called to Lennart M. Sjöberg, the photographer who took photos of Sofia when she was 16 years old. Sjöberg tells that he met Sofia at a festival, she looked like an angel. Sjöberg asked how old Sofia was, she said she was 16. Sjöberg gave her his business card and asked Sofia's parents to call him. Sofia's father Erik Hellqvist called him, and soon the two men met. Sjöberg had soon the first job for Sofia, she should pose for a cover of a music album. Sofia flew with her parents to Thailand. Sjöberg photographed her in various ways, in some photos she wears a lace dress in innocent white, then a sexy leopard bikini. In some photos she poses even topless with her arms covering her curves. There are surprisingly revealing photos. But today they are found only on Sjöberg's site.
The planned album cover never actually became. Sjöberg about what Sofia thinks now about the old photos: "I do not think she has anything against our old photos, as they look very good, and can not be compared with the photos in Slitz' magazine".
According to Sjöberg the princess also knows that the images are still on his website. "We have discussed that. But if they would call me, we could talk about, of course, to remove them," he says.
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[Marty91charmed]

So, despite all the cover-up, there are indeed topless picutres of and underage Sofia in Thailand. No more denying. I have nothing to say about that, since I guess my view on the matter is well-known.
There is another matter, on which I've been quiet so far, as I wanted to see how things would develop. I'm talking about the tunisian state visit and the absence of Sofia. Perhaps my opinion won't be wlcomed here but I think it was not a coincidence that Sofia missed the state visit. To me it looked strange from the start that she was sent away to SA at least 1 week before the visit... The tunisian president also represents a consevative culture... I don't know, but I find all the matter strange...

 

[Queen Claude]

What cover up? Sofia is topless but as the article states "with her arms covering her curves" so you don't see anything but considering her age IMO the pictures are too risque. The article states that they are only on his site but I've seen them elsewhere. Sofia did pose nude later on where you see her breasts and backside but she is not underage.

 

[quest]

when there is nothing new, out of old stories already exits in the newspapers.
an article was already released in 2012, and writes here.

 

[Rudolph]

I agree its not news. Everyone has a past. Sofia is now a princess and seems quite popular in Sweden.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Very well said. Everyone does have a past and the need some people feel to shame Sofia for something completely harmless she did 10+ years ago will never fail to baffle me.

 

[quest]

Very well said. Everyone does have a past and the need some people feel to shame Sofia for something completely harmless she did 10+ years ago will never fail to baffle me.

+1 I suppose it is easier to criticize someone else than to look at oneself.


as said the photographer at the time :
Perhaps it is an art to create news about facts that are a decade old but then tilting it and enlarge the proportions so that there seems to be a problem is not to have respect for the people involved.

 

[eya]

Unfortunately this always happens. Lack something new and gossip natural rehashing old.

 

[polyesco]

According to Sjöberg the princess also knows that the images are still on his website. "We have discussed that. But if they would call me, we could talk about, of course, to remove them," he says.
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hmmm. that last sentence....Does the photographer want a payout to remove the images?

I think there is already lots of pictures of Sofia on the net, nothing new. She cant undo her past, just move forward. And so far she has done okay in her new role

 

[Madame Verseau]

@polyesco - I think the photog wants a payout. It's borderline blackmail to the palace: pay me or I'll release the real nasty pictures, stuff that make the current photos out there look like baby pictures.

I had a feeling the press would unearth Sofia's skeletons once she has had the princess role for a while; it was simply waiting for the moment to strike. What gets me is that the court thought this would never surface after Sofia got her HRH. Her parents look bad for allowing her to do the pictures.

 

[Madame Verseau]

@Queen Claude - the "cover up" is Sofia denying she ever did those pictures while underage.

 

[HRHHermione]

I think it doesn't matter. Worst that happens is a bad cycle of headlines and a little nasty gossip.

Sofia's life cannot and should not be defined by those pictures. The constant attempt to do so is misogynistic and gross.

 

[MARG]

The only people whose morals and decency I question are the photographer and Sofia's parents. They all knew she was underage. But for Sofia herself, if you are that age and someone told you you were beautiful and asked you to pose for a magazine and your mum and dad say it's okay well, it's every young girl's dream.

Three adults knew she was underage, three adults chose to ignore her age and three adults exploited her youth and ignorance. That set her on the road to her career. There is no dirt on Sofia's hands from those photos. Put the blame and the shame where it belongs . . . on those three adults.

 

[Winnie]

Bravo MARG, I agree with your post. Adults pushing underage teen are the ones lacking in integrity.

 

[LadyFinn]

The festival which photographer Sjöberg refers to is obviously Hultsfreds Rock Festival in June 2001, where Sofia very willingly posed for a photographer.
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Obviously Sofia wanted to get to photos taken by photographer Sjöberg and her parents were stupid enough to say yes. Of course they should have denied Sofia to pose at these topless photos in Thailand. The year was 2001 and the world was a lot different then than now. Nowadays many see 15 year olds as adults already.
And these kind of people are now going to be grandparents for prince Carl Philip's child.

 

[MARG]

I am betting that more people now see what happened to Sofia as child exploitation even a sex crime. In 2001, many of people didn't know ver much about such things because they were not campaigning against the exploitation of children and spreading it across the TV internationally as they are these days.

Thailand is and remains a base of child sex exploitation. I know a lot of people will not see a connection, but it is there. It's a long and expensive trip from Sweden to Thailand so there must have been (vain) hopes of making a killing.

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She looks like the child she is and what she was doing at such a festival drinking obviously unsupervised and drinking alcohol once again comes back to her parents.

As to letting a photographer take photos? Once again she was underage and obviously drinking.

 

[quest]

The festival which photographer Sjöberg refers to is obviously Hultsfreds Rock Festival in June 2001, where Sofia very willingly posed for a photographer.
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Obviously Sofia wanted to get to photos taken by photographer Sjöberg and her parents were stupid enough to say yes. Of course they should have denied Sofia to pose at these topless photos in Thailand. The year was 2001 and the world was a lot different then than now. Nowadays many see 15 year olds as adults already.
And these kind of people are now going to be grandparents for prince Carl Philip's child.

what right such a value judgment on future grandparents?




the king is a good example with his life of debauchery, in bars with friends and young women? not for me,

You fill the forum of information, which everybody can find on the net, but if it filled your life, it is very well. But when one deliberately chooses to put this or that information, it is not credible to me.
Almost every day, an article was written about sofia, positive or negative.

If you put a very often it will be that the less positive.
The majority of people and newspapers, are in the present, and look what sofia done in the present. And opinions are generally positive.
Perhaps, is this a problem for some people, hence the need to take out constantly the old stories and old photos, views and reviews, and have to speak the same things all the time.
You do not like sofia, fine, let him live his life, and continue to post on the forum information your 'perfect' victoria.
Last thing, my comment may be deleted, but if you can criticize people who are not public (sofia parents) I think it is the same for people here then.

 

[Skippy]

what right such a value judgment on future grandparents?




the king is a good example with his life of debauchery, in bars with friends and young women? not for me,

You fill the forum of information, which everybody can find on the net, but if it filled your life, it is very well. But when one deliberately chooses to put this or that information, it is not credible to me.
Almost every day, an article was written about sofia, positive or negative.

If you put a very often it will be that the less positive.
The majority of people and newspapers, are in the present, and look what sofia done in the present. And opinions are generally positive.
Perhaps, is this a problem for some people, hence the need to take out constantly the old stories and old photos, views and reviews, and have to speak the same things all the time.
You do not like sofia, fine, let him live his life, and continue to post on the forum information your 'perfect' victoria.
Last thing, my comment may be deleted, but if you can criticize people who are not public (sofia parents) I think it is the same for people here then.

AMEN, AMEN and AMEN. That is the problem a lot here, judgment and superiority. Especially where Sofia is concerned.

And, finally, someone who shares my viewpoint that Victoria receives a deifying treatment and apparently can do no wrong. That is what has been irritating me for a long time. She is a human being, not a holy being.

Apparently Victoria and Sofia can't co-exist due to Victoria being practically perfect and Sofia being Sofia.

 

[Madame Verseau]

The king has blatantly committed adultery, true; but the Hellqvists, depending on the laws in Sweden, may have committed a crime by allowing an underage girl do these kind of pictures. As for any nude and borderline porn pictures Sofia did when she was 18 or older, that is on Sofia because she was legally an adult at the time and she chose to do them. I doubt Sofia will publicly throw her parents under the bus now that the story is getting around, but the palace? The family will be there for the christening, but beyond that...who knows.

Sofia has also been dragged recently in the press since she became princess...

Efter kritiken: Sofia flyr från Sverige | Stoppa Pressarna – Kungligheter – Kungafamiljen – Svensk Damtidning – Prinsessan Madeleine – Kronprinsessan Victoria

Svenskdam is bringing up the tattoos...really?

Nytt nummer ute nu – Sofias okända tatueringar | Svensk Damtidning

The news stories are implying Sofia is bringing nothing new to the table, so they'll bring up her past. I think these stories were triggered by Sofia being a no show at the Tunisian state visit. The palace put out an explanation...but still Sofia is starting to get bad press, and that includes her past coming back to haunt her.

 

[Rudolph]

Sofia's 'past' is well known. Its nothing new. The people of Sweden are okay with it. She appears to be very popular and CP is in love with her.

The past is the past no matter how much some people want to bring it up. Sofia is now a princess and her future looks bright.

 

[eya]

As said Rudolph this is the past of Sofia and not changing anymore. Apparently Sofia could not imagine knowing that one day I would become a princess and a member of the royal family. Perhaps they have been more "prudent". The thing is that the press will always discovers new photos from the past or whatever and have them published. This always do. The past can not change, but its future seems to be bright.

 

[quest]

The king has blatantly committed adultery, true; but the Hellqvists, depending on the laws in Sweden, may have committed a crime by allowing an underage girl do these kind of pictures. As for any nude and borderline porn pictures Sofia did when she was 18 or older, that is on Sofia because she was legally an adult at the time and she chose to do them. I doubt Sofia will publicly throw her parents under the bus now that the story is getting around, but the palace? The family will be there for the christening, but beyond that...who knows.

Sofia has also been dragged recently in the press since she became princess...

Efter kritiken: Sofia flyr från Sverige | Stoppa Pressarna – Kungligheter – Kungafamiljen – Svensk Damtidning – Prinsessan Madeleine – Kronprinsessan Victoria

Svenskdam is bringing up the tattoos...really?

Nytt nummer ute nu – Sofias okända tatueringar | Svensk Damtidning

The news stories are implying Sofia is bringing nothing new to the table, so they'll bring up her past. I think these stories were triggered by Sofia being a no show at the Tunisian state visit. The palace put out an explanation...but still Sofia is starting to get bad press, and that includes her past coming back to haunt her.

Wow, the tabloids, you are right, this is information. EVERY weeks, a history, and a 'new' drama, which disappears the following week.

sofia's past, so he comes back, the media have nothing, so we go back. But all this is known. Magazines speak sofia tattoos, so what?

Today, it still speaks of the nightlife of madeleine.

Maddes heta utekväll på lyxiga innekrogen | Nyheter | Expressen

Is it a beautiful image of a princess, a young mother, molded in his pants. For me, it is vulgar. Every week the media talk about someone, for his taste for luxuries, life, etc .. It is not only that of sofia, bad press, as it seems to say here.

And this story, state visit becomes ridiculous. Do not worry, there will be others, she will be. The anniversary of his association was the same date. There she was, with the agreement of the palace. Point. I think that the palace had to say, 5 members of the Royal Family to receive, was largely sufficient. No need to deprive sofia, celebrated its association.

 

[Madame Verseau]

Tabloids can sometimes be right, oddly enough. The National Enquirer was first to report that U.S. presidential candidate John Edwards was cheating on his dying wife and had a child out of wedlock. And it turned out to be true, so true that the mainstream press had to run the stories; especially when revealed Edwards was allegedly using campaign funds to cover it up. (He was acquitted). Bigger surprise - the tabloid was nominated for a Pulitzer prize for exposing Edwards where the respected press wouldn't at first touch this story. Tabloids cook up stories, but once in a blue moon they get it right.

Project Playground was founded in March 2010. The five year anniversary was earlier and that could have been celebrated around that time. There was no reason for Sofia to be MIA from the state visit (she was there for the Indian state visit days before her wedding).

 

[quest]

Tabloids can sometimes be right, oddly enough. The National Enquirer was first to report that U.S. presidential candidate John Edwards was cheating on his dying wife and had a child out of wedlock. And it turned out to be true, so true that the mainstream press had to run the stories; especially when revealed Edwards was allegedly using campaign funds to cover it up. (He was acquitted). Bigger surprise - the tabloid was nominated for a Pulitzer prize for exposing Edwards where the respected press wouldn't at first touch this story. Tabloids cook up stories, but once in a blue moon they get it right.

Project Playground was founded in March 2010. The five year anniversary was earlier and that could have been celebrated around that time. There was no reason for Sofia to be MIA from the state visit (she was there for the Indian state visit days before her wedding).

But if there is a reason. A birthday. After why it was chosen this date, I do not know, you have more. Maybe they have said that Mars and the following month, it was difficult to come to Sofia and so we postponed the celebration. A wedding prepared, interviews and other thing that we perhaps do not know,.
A celebration was made on that date, sponsors and other guests, directed show, I precise because to read, soon you will tell us that there was nothing there, and everything is invented.

 

[Muhler]

The king has blatantly committed adultery, true; but the Hellqvists, depending on the laws in Sweden, may have committed a crime by allowing an underage girl do these kind of pictures. As for any nude and borderline porn pictures Sofia did when she was 18 or older, that is on Sofia because she was legally an adult at the time and she chose to do them. I doubt Sofia will publicly throw her parents under the bus now that the story is getting around, but the palace? The family will be there for the christening, but beyond that...who knows.

Nude pics of a person under the age of eighteen, would have been legal back then. Provided they were taken with the consent of a parent or guardian.

 

[Tilia C.]

It is not unusual that a Princess misses a State Banquet. Madeleine has missed out on many, and even the Crown Princess does not attend at all State Visits. Imo there is no reason to read so much into Sofia's absence.

 

[quest]

It is not unusual that a Princess misses a State Banquet. Madeleine has missed out on many, and even the Crown Princess does not attend at all State Visits. Imo there is no reason to read so much into Sofia's absence.

thanks for precision, because he seems, it is necessary to search a conspiracy behind the absence of sofia.

 

[Queen Claude]

I have never agreed with and don't plan to relax my stance about young girls / teens taking photos or walking in runway shows where they are nude and/or promoting sexuality. I wonder why the designers, photographers, editors, etc. can't find older models for this kind of work. Having said that I know that there are respectable people who have much more liberal views than I have and I suspect Sofia and her parents fit in that category.

I remember a few years ago there was an editorial featuring Swedish model Frida Gustavsson where her breast is visible, some found it inappropriate because of her young age while others thought it was OK and chided the critics for being prudes. Another well known Swedish model, Elsa Hosk has pictures of the same type when she was in her mid-teens, and bear in mind that the pictures Sofia took in Thailand are sexual/sexy but still PG-13.

Again, the photos are not to my taste and values, and Sofia's parents and the photographer have been criticized for their part and I get that, but I am much more bothered by how other models are treated, even those that are in the more respectable high fashion segment, oftentimes those models are shipped off alone to foreign countries to fend for themselves.

Nude pics of a person under the age of eighteen, would have been legal back then. Provided they were taken with the consent of a parent or guardian.

Thanks for that information. I just can't imagine that if something illegal had happened that it would not just have been reported, but it would have been a scandal.

@Queen Claude - the "cover up" is Sofia denying she ever did those pictures while underage.

When did Sofia deny doing the pictures? I don't recall her addressing it one way or another but she has made a vague comment about her past along the lines that if given the chance would have made different choices but overall she has no regrets. Also what words were used, because I see absurd and incorrect terms used like porn, soft-core porn, stripper, etc.?