Death and Funeral of Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy, Prince of Naples, Feb 2024


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JGio said:
Weird not to see Tsar Simen II of Bulgaria. They were first cousins and close.
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Not so close. In 2006, it was discovered during an investigation that Vittorio Emanuele had tried to involve Simeon in a corruption matter and that he and a businessman friend of his had invented information to harm him. Until the truth was discovered through recordings, this information greatly damaged Simeon's public and political reputation.

I really wouldn't like Queen Sofia's presence at that funeral, on this occasion her obsession with going to royal events is out of place. The relationship between both families was strong during the years of exile of the Counts of Barcelona in Portugal, but the deceased created a scandal at the wedding of the Prince of Asturias and, as you have said, recently attacked Juan Carlos in a documentary.
 
lula said:
Not so close. In 2006, it was discovered during an investigation that Vittorio Emanuele had tried to involve Simeon in a corruption matter and that he and a businessman friend of his had invented information to harm him. Until the truth was discovered through recordings, this information greatly damaged Simeon's public and political reputation.

I really wouldn't like Queen Sofia's presence at that funeral, on this occasion her obsession with going to royal events is out of place. The relationship between both families was strong during the years of exile of the Counts of Barcelona in Portugal, but the deceased created a scandal at the wedding of the Prince of Asturias and, as you have said, recently attacked Juan Carlos in a documentary.
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Nonetheless, the House of Savoy is still historically one of the great Catholic dynasties in Europe and it is fair thar the Spain, having now the miost important surviving reigning royal family in Europe, should be represented.

Queen Sofia seems to follow the old ways where a person’s royal dignity trumps his personal character flaws.
 
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Royals who will be present at the funeral:
Queen Sofia of Spain
Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg
Princess Astrid of Belgium and Prince Lorenz
Prince Albert II of Monaco
King Albert and Paola of Belgium
Prince Alexander of Serbia and Princess Katherine
Prince Leka of Albania
Duke and Duchess of Braganza and Duarte de Sousa Araújo Martins (spouse of Infanta María Francisca)
Mohammad bin Salman
Grand Duke George of Russia
Jean Christophe Bonaparte
Count and Countess of París
Duke and Duchess of Castro
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3I2ATcItos/?igsh=ZjVoZGIwN2Nsc2Nh
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3I0huqMN2M/?igsh=cGRkem1ycXV2czJp
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anyone from the italian government going?
 
I think the scandal at the Spanish Royal Wedding was much less in reality than what has been told by newspapers. Also Emanuele Filiberto was asked about it in an interview and he stated that newspapers made it much bigger than it actually was.
At the funeral of Pope Benedict XVI Princess Clotilde and Princess Vittoria went to greet Queen Sofia, and Queen Sofia unexpectedly wanted to kiss them both on the cheeks, meaning that Sofia has true affection for the Savoys, regardless of everything.

I also believe Queen Sofia knows her own husband is not a saint by any means and decided to carry on and be polite till the end.

I wouldn’t call it an obsession fo royal events. I prefer her sense of duty with respect to other former Monarchs like Albert II and Paola, that we barely know if they are still alive.
 
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His life behaviour was not as a Prince and Great Master of the Order of St Maurice and St Lazare. But for his Funerals what a glory.
 
JGio said:
I wouldn’t call it an obsession fo royal events. I prefer her sense of duty with respect to other former Monarchs like Albert II and Paola, that we barely know if they are still alive.
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Sofia is in better health than Albert and Paola and it's clearly a factor (btw, last year they attended several events in Belgium, also appearing on National Day, so I don't agree that "we barely know if they are still alive").
I'm still surprised to see that she's listed among those attending VE's funeral
 
I believe that the presence of Queen Sofia is correct, a representation of the Spanish Royal House, for reasons of friendship, the Spanish royal family and the Italian royal family in exile had a great friendship. But I think another very powerful reason is the historical reason. Spain had a King from the house of Savoy, his Reign was brief, but he was King (1871-1873), Amadeo I, in addition to the fact that the Savoys always appear in the history of Spain as candidates to marry the Spanish Infantas. The Savoys are a family that appears in the history of Spain in many historical moments.
 
Doña Sofía is doing the right thing. She was born Royal, she shows up when she knows it's the proper thing to do, others could learn a thing or two from her.

*cough cough*

Aimone and Olga have arrived.
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...nce-aimone-duke-of-nachrichtenfoto/2000076514

Prince Leka
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...e-funeral-of-h-s-r-nachrichtenfoto/2000129889

Carolina of Bourbon-Two Sicilies just posted a selfie with her father on their way to the cathedral, those people need to get a grip.:ohmy:
https://www.instagram.com/stories/c...ig_story_item_share&igsh=MWNqMWJjbXMzdjZ5Mg==

Victoria Romanovna
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...the-funeral-of-h-s-nachrichtenfoto/2000149566

I see Prince Jean of Luxembourg, not the Grand Duke.

Charles-Louis, Duke of Chartres, and Ileana Manos
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...s-and-iléana-manos-nachrichtenfoto/2000173430

The Bourbon-Two Sicilies arriving
https://media.gettyimages.com/id/20...=XWR_w62Pb9iKu8MOPEMmGvp6XwVw6rerCcFXAkKd6jw=
 
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Is there a way to watch the funeral live? Like website or IG live or something

Adda said:
Carolina of Bourbon-Two Sicilies just posted a selfie with her father on their way to the cathedral, those people need to get a grip.:ohmy:
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Oh dear, where’s the real class? It must be such a high profile event for her, I assume.
 
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JGio said:
Oh dear, where’s the real class? It must be such a high profile event for her, I assume.
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Today it's perfectly normal and acceptable to post these kind of photos. Do I like it? No, but times change. If things didn't evolve we'd could have had the women seated separately in a gallery like they did at Grand Duchess Charlotte's funeral in 1985.
 
A livestream of the funeral:


Princes Dimitri and Aimone preceded the coffin into the church with Prince Serge and Prince Emanuele Filiberto following behind it. The Aostas are also seated with the immediate family. I do hope that this genuine closeness between the two cousins will continue instead of letting dynastic squabbles alienate them.
 
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Was there anyone from Belgium?
Surprised not to see traditional mantilla being worn.
Queen Sofia is a stalwart at Royal funerals as is Prince Albert of Monaco.
 
Queen Sofía
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...e-funeral-of-h-s-r-nachrichtenfoto/2000179243
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Prince Albert
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...the-funeral-of-h-s-nachrichtenfoto/2000191469
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...the-funeral-of-h-s-nachrichtenfoto/2000191466

Fouad II is also there!
https://www.instagram.com/stories/r...rce=ig_story_item_share&igsh=dGp5bmo1d3BnZHZv

The Widow
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...ttends-the-funeral-nachrichtenfoto/2000193560

Emanuele Filiberto
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https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...d-prince-of-venice-nachrichtenfoto/2000196935

Vittoria and Luisa
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...ignano-attends-the-nachrichtenfoto/2000201765

Clotilde
https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/n...venice-attends-the-nachrichtenfoto/2000209190

Entry of the coffin
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An Ard Ri said:
Was there anyone from Belgium?
Surprised not to see traditional mantilla being worn.
Queen Sofia is a stalwart at Royal funerals as is Prince Albert of Monaco.
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I did not see anyone from Belgium. I'm shocked. Perhaps they entered through a different door like Princess Maria Pia?
Still, it's an impressive turnout!

Hopefully Emanuele and Aimone will remain in friendly terms FOREVER.
 
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JR76 said:
Princes Dimitri and Aimone preceded the coffin into the church with Prince Serge and Prince Emanuele Filiberto following behind it. The Aostas are also seated with the immediate family. I do hope that this genuine closeness between the two cousins will continue instead of letting dynastic squabbles alienate them.
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Aimone and Filiberto never had issues so I don’t think they will have any enmity
 
JGio said:
Weird not to see Tsar Simen II of Bulgaria. They were first cousins and close.
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It seems Prince Boris was there. Wonder if anyone from the Hesse Family attended as the late Landgrave Moritz was also one of VE's cosuins and he attended his funeral in 2013.
 
Vanitatis claiming the funeral is taking place in Superga, instead of Turin Cathedral. God help me!

Well, that was a beautiful mass.

Seeing Princess Maria Pia and Princess Luisa leaning into one another was heartbreaking, they both look so sad. I can't imagine what Pia is feeling, having reached old age and seeing her little brother pass before her.

I'm happy for Emanuele Filiberto, at some point he could have feared no-one was going to show up, but he gave his father a proper farewell.

Marina and Emanuele bid farewell:
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https://media.gettyimages.com/id/20...=WiyaDW2UetNB7LnrXB9GRSNkHi6xOOIw14UvPa1HNB0=

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Just saw photos of Boris of Bulgaria and Dom Alfonso de Bragança.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/r...ig_story_item_share&igsh=MWE1bGxpeDE5NWx1cQ==

The list of royal/noble guests, please correct if I'm forgetting someone:

Queen Sofia
Prince Albert II
King Fouad II
Duke and Duchess of Aosta
Princes Dmitri and Serge of Yugoslavia
Victoria Romanovna
Prince Leka of Albania
Prince Jean of Luxembourg
Prince Philippos of Greece
Duke and Duchess of Chartres
Duke of Castro and his daughter Maria Carolina
Boris of Bulgaria
Alfonso de Bragança
 
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Albert of Monaco has his share of personal controversies but he can ALWAYS be counted on to conduct himself with grace and dignity in public.

He was the first non-family Prince to greet Marina Doria; bowing his head and then reaching out to kiss her hand.

He is a very warm classy guy imho.
 
Adda said:
Just saw photos of Boris of Bulgaria and Dom Alfonso de Bragança.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/r...ig_story_item_share&igsh=MWE1bGxpeDE5NWx1cQ==
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Afonso's presence at this funeral was not expected. It was planned that the Portuguese Royal Family would be represented by the Duke and Duchess of Bragança and Duarte Araújo Martins (the husband of Infanta Maria Francisca). Was it a last minute change? or did the Duke and Duchess of Bragança and Duarte Araújo Martins also attend the funeral?
 
I did not see the Duke and Duchess of Bragança, but then again, the Count and Countess of Paris didn't attend either (we got the Duke of Chartres), Prince Jean was present instead of GD Henri, and Victoria Romanovna attended instead of Grand Duke George.

Prince Philippos was also there!
https://twitter.com/x/status/1756330060011733245

Moonmaiden23 said:
Albert of Monaco has his share of personal controversies but he can ALWAYS be counted on to conduct himself with grace and dignity in public.

He was the first non-family Prince to greet Marina Doria; bowing his head and then reaching out to kiss her hand.

He is a very warm classy guy imho.
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Exactly! I can criticise so many things about Albert, but he always shows up, he is never snobbish and behaves with respect towards everyone, no matter the religion. At King Konstantinos' funeral he was nothing short of reverential to the patriarchs, what a difference with, say, Carl Gustav, who was laughing at times.
 
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Blog Real said:
Afonso's presence at this funeral was not expected. It was planned that the Portuguese Royal Family would be represented by the Duke and Duchess of Bragança and Duarte Araújo Martins (the husband of Infanta Maria Francisca). Was it a last minute change? or did the Duke and Duchess of Bragança and Duarte Araújo Martins also attend the funeral?
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It was also reported yesterday that Princess Astrid and Prince Lorenz from Belgium would attend. Some sources even King Albert and Queen Paola. None of them was there. And also a Saudi-Prince was reported. So i guess they were simply wrong.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
Aimone and Filiberto never had issues so I don’t think they will have any enmity
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Vittorio Emanuele was referred to in the Mass as Prince of Naples and "Grand Master of the Orders of the Royal House of Savoy". Marina was also cited as "Her Royal Highness", and her son and granddaughters as "Prince/Princess". Is the Church in practice taking sides in the dynastic question?

It is also noteworthy that the designation "Royal House of Savoy" was consistently used throughout the Mass, as opposed to simply "House of Savoy". But that is not entirely surprising for the Church, even inside the Italian Republic.

Stefan said:
It was also reported yesterday that Princess Astrid and Prince Lorenz from Belgium would attend. Some sources even King Albert and Queen Paola. None of them was there. And also a Saudi-Prince was reported. So i guess they were simply wrong.
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King Albert was Vittorio Emanuele's first cousin. Princess Astrid was his first cousin once removed. It is disappointing that neither one chose to attend and there was no representative of the Belgian Royal House.

Perhaps they were advised against attending by the Belgian government, in which case I understand that they were under a constitutional obligation to comply with the government's advice. It would be sad if their absence was motivated by personal issues.
 
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Mbruno said:
Vittorio Emanuele was referred to in the Mass as Prince of Naples and "Grand Master of the Orders of the Royal House of Savoy". Marina was also cited as "Her Royal Highness". Is the Church in practice taking sides in the dynastic question?
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I assume that all reigning monarchies recognized until the end Victor Emmanuel as Head of the House of Savoy. The Vatican does so as well - see the Message sent by Pope Francis.
It’s also worthy to notice that Prince Amedeo in 2021 has been buried and his grave in the Sanctuary of Superga says “Amedeo of Savoy | Duke of Aosta”, not “Duke of Savoy”.
 
JGio said:
I assume that all reigning monarchies recognized until the end Victor Emmanuel as Head of the House of Savoy. The Vatican does so as well - see the Message sent by Pope Francis.
It’s also worthy to notice that Prince Amedeo in 2021 has been buried and his grave in the Sanctuary of Superga says “Amedeo of Savoy | Duke of Aosta”, not “Duke of Savoy”.
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Indeed. The Pope's position by itself, a couple of centuries ago, should have been enough to settle the argument.
 
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