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Prince Max-Emanuel of Bavaria was adopted by his childless great uncle and inherited the title of Duke in Bavaria (Herzog in Bayern). Who will succeed to this title after Duke Max-Emanuel, as he has only daughters?
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The Bavarian royal line of succession flows to Prince Ludwig (born 1913) and his son Prince Luitpold (born 1951). Ludwig has a brother, Rasso, with sons, and Luitpold has sons. Maybe Duke Max Emanuel will adopt Prince Heinrich, the second son of Luitpold, or Rasso (or his eldest married son Prince Wolfgang) to allow the Ducal title to continue.
Whatever the future of the 'Duke in Bavaria' title and line, no doubt it will be decided between Max Emanuel and his brother, Duke Franz, the Head of the Royal House.
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07-22-2007, 12:55 PM
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Is anything known about the family and ancestors of Dr. Klaus Runow, or even exactly where and when he was born?
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I don't think he is an aristocrat so there is probably not a lot of info out there about his family.
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08-16-2007, 06:32 AM
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Wedding of HRH Duchess Maria Anna and Dr.Klaus Runow
Tegernsee today:
PPE Agency
Courtesy PPE/Albert Nieboer.
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09-09-2007, 05:34 PM
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Is Duchess Helene dating anyone? She's the only unmarried daughter. I hope she doesn't feel bad about it. 
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09-10-2007, 08:04 AM
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09-13-2007, 03:23 PM
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Before fleeing Munich, did Ludwig III live in the Residenz or the Wittelsbach Palace? The Residenz was rebuilt after World War II. The Wittelsbach Palace was not, presumably because it was used by the Gestapo, correct? Thanks.
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09-23-2007, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Harold
Before fleeing Munich, did Ludwig III live in the Residenz or the Wittelsbach Palace? The Residenz was rebuilt after World War II. The Wittelsbach Palace was not, presumably because it was used by the Gestapo, correct? Thanks.
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I checked some sources about the reasons why the Wittelsbacher Palais was not rebuilt after the war but the Nazi-history does only partly and temporarily feature there as a reason.
What I found was that the people of Munich used the former park of the palace and the ruins after 1945 as a means to survival: first they planted vegetable gardens in the former park (which were legalized around 1946 as offical leaseholds) and took all that could still be used from the palace, especially wood for fires and rebuilding. Later the area was used to build makeshift schools and homes for apprentices etc in order to help the younger people of Munich who had lost one or both of their parents.
Planing what to finally do with the area already started in 1946 - but the first plans consisted to removing all, including the still partly intact or repairable buildings of the whole area and rebuilding the quarter completely. But the man then responisible for public buildings refused this plan and started a thorough investigation into the chances of each building to be restored. Alas, the Wittelsbacher Palais could not be saved and was dismantelled. When the town and the federal state had supplied enough alternative housing for the young people living there, they cleared the area which in 1961 still belonged to the Federal State of Bavaria. In exchange of the Leopoldpark the town of Munich got most of the former park, the space where the palace had been was kept by the federal state. While the town used their area for building, it was planned that on the former palace grounds a park should be built as a place of remembrance of how Munich came to be the "Hauptstadt der Bewegung" for the Nazis. Instead the federal state sold the area in 1971 to it's own bank which built their headquarters there.
This year it was decided to use the area of the former party headquarters of the Nazis to built a new documentation center. This party headqurter was called the "Braune Haus" - "Brown House" - btw - did the US citizens know that the grandfather of the current president Bush, the father of former president Bush gave Hitler the money in 1930 to built the party headquarter and partly financed his sucessful run for German chancellorship? His dealings with Nazi Germany earned him the money to form part of the considerable Bush-fortune which has helped his son and grandson running for presidency of the US... Talk about historical irony.We'll see if the documentation center is finally being build.
I recall that as a child in the mid 70ties I often visited the rooms in the Residenz which were already rebuild and redecorated. Year after year new areas were finished and opened - it was a very interesting and fascinating process to watch. But it was terribly expensive as well so one can understand why they only rebuilt the main Royal palace and not all the others.
Hope this helps.
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09-23-2007, 09:07 AM
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Jo -
Thank you very much for your reply. Do you know if Ludwig lived in the Wittelsbach Palace rather than the Residenz prior to the end of the monarchy?
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09-23-2007, 05:02 PM
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Jo -
Thank you very much for your reply. Do you know if Ludwig lived in the Wittelsbach Palace rather than the Residenz prior to the end of the monarchy?
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Yes, he did. I got the impression from varous articles that this was because the residenz was the officail seat of the mad kings Ludiwg II. and Otto I., while at first Ludwig III.'s father Luitpold and he himself were "just" prince regents for their relatives. So Luitpold lived at the Leuchtenberg Palace while Ludwig used the Wittelsbacher Palais as his townhouse - he had a passion for farming and prefered to live at Schloß Leutstetten (south of Munich, a bit north of Starnberg and lake of Starnberg) with its extensive home farm, which he had bought in 1875.
From his mother's side he had inherited an estate in Hungary which has been famous for its stud - here he died in 1921. Today the Wittelsbachs still have horses from this Hungarian estate and use them for breeding at Leutstetten - the estate is well worth a visit and has a very nice beergarden who offers Bavarian beer and food specialities in a very picturesque surrounding.
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09-24-2007, 07:20 PM
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It seems that many monarchs preferred not to live in the main official royal residence but a smaller palace. I guess that just makes sense. Thanks.
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Were any of the Wittelsbach at the Wiesn this year (Oktoberfest)? I remember reading that Duke Franz was at one function but I can't find any pictures.
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01-11-2008, 06:06 AM
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Any news concerning the birth of Elizabeth Terberger´s second child? Strange that they don ´t announce anything. Hopefully everything went well!! (The birth was to be expected already for November!)
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01-11-2008, 11:02 AM
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btw - did the US citizens know that the grandfather of the current president Bush, the father of former president Bush gave Hitler the money in 1930 to built the party headquarter and partly financed his sucessful run for German chancellorship? His dealings with Nazi Germany earned him the money to form part of the considerable Bush-fortune which has helped his son and grandson running for presidency of the US... Talk about historical irony.
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Very interesting! I don't think this is known otherwise it certainly would've been used as political ammunition against them in their campaigns. But it makes sense - there is something Nazi-ish about Bush.
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01-17-2008, 05:14 AM
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Any news concerning the birth of Elizabeth Terberger´s second child? Strange that they don ´t announce anything. Hopefully everything went well!! (The birth was to be expected already for November!)
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They had a daughter Ottora Elisabeth Victoria Lucia on December 13th 2007
Everything went well.
Source: Bunte 4
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01-17-2008, 08:54 PM
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They had a daughter Ottora Elisabeth Victoria Lucia on December 13th 2007
Everything went well.
Source: Bunte 4
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Really? That's good to hear. I've been checking Bunte and other magazines online for any news, but I havn't seen anything. How did I miss it? Well, congratulations to the family!
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Really? That's good to hear. I've been checking Bunte and other magazines online for any news, but I havn't seen anything. How did I miss it? Well, congratulations to the family! |
It is only a small piece of text in the printed issue which came out yesterday.
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01-19-2008, 03:35 PM
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From the Jacobite Yahoo Group:
Ottora - the name of the newly-born's maternal great-grandmother Ottora Haas-Heye, Countess Carl Ludwig Douglas.
Elisabeth - the name of her mother, Princess Elisabeth, and her grandmother, Princess Max, born Countess Elizabeth Douglas
Victoria - the name of her great-great-grandmother, mother of Ottora Haas-Heye, Grafin Viktoria zu Eulenberg, the daughter of a prominent Prussian diplomat and politician, Philipp, Fürst zu Eulenburg und Hertefeld (born in Königsberg, the former Capital of the Teutonic Order, today still occupied by Russia, under the totally Soviet name, Kaliningrad), a one time Prussian Ambassador to Bavaria, who married a Swedish Countess.
Lucia - named after St. Lucy, whose feast it is on December 13, the day when little Ottora was born. The feast of St.Lucy is particularly popular amongst the Swedish people, as the day when they light their Advent Candle (Lucy = Lux = Light) before Christmas.
> Elizabeth;s husband, Dr Daniel Terberger. Dr Terberger is the Chief Executive Officer of KATAG AktionGesellschaft, a leading German fashion house and retail clothing and textile company, based at Bielefeld, North Rhine-Westphalia. He is, incidentally, himself, regarded as one of the best-dressed and most elegant men in German corporate life.
> http://www.katag.de/
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