Analysis of Máxima

[Verde Esmeralda]

Originally Posted by Princess Maxima

I have a doubt... can Máxima vote for the elections in Argentina, having double citizenship?
Thanks.

Yes, she still can - but it is not compulsory (she could do it via consular). Being more than 500 km away from the jurisdiction in which you are registered for voting allows you to skip voting, however you should prove that you're actually away. According to election law, not proving this would cause you a small fine (about 10 euros, actually). But as far as I know, no one has really had any serious problems with this. Less would Máxima!

[Empress]

Well, I am sure that there are some behind the scenes diplomatic relations going on to excuse her from voting. At this point, whilst I applaud her for keeping her Argentinian heritage, I really think that she should focus more (not entirely) on being Dutch, because that is who she is now, albeit with an Argentinian flair. I think that she should focus more on her Dutch nationality.

By the way, as far as I know the DRF can not vote in elections in the Netherlands, is this correct? I know that they are not allowed to have a political opinion, which is one of the reasons that Maximas speech a few weeks ago caused such a firestorm.

The RVD, or government information service, has to approve all speeches of the royal family as far as I am aware.

[ashelen]

When you live outside the country where you were born, you loose a little bit your nationality in a way. I born in Argentina, from Danish parents, live 10 years in Europe and now the last 8 years in America. When I go back to visit my family in Argentina everybody tell me that i am so different now, that i am not argentinean anymore or that even I speak spanish with an accent! they even refuse at the bank to exchange me maney becasue they told me I was a foreign, I have to show them my Argentinean ID. So I think probably it happen the same to Maxima, she is in another country everyday, with other customs, speaking another languages , eating different, by now she is probably very Dutch! and I fully understand her, plus she get a salary paid by the Dutch, I belive she became already very Dutch . She is a Dutch that it happen born in Argentina

[Vanesa]

And if she wasn't Dutch she MUST to be Dutch, since she will be the consort Queen of the Netherlands...It's her DUTY to be Dutch .

Of course, she will have some "Argentine" tastes and way of viewing things, for a whole story of life could not be erased. But she must be Dutch...Besides she had three Dutch daughters...

Vanesa.

[ashelen]

Originally Posted by Vanesa

And if she wasn't Dutch she MUST to be Dutch, since she will be the consort Queen of the Netherlands...It's her DUTY to be Dutch .

Of course, she will have some "Argentine" tastes and way of viewing things, for a whole story of life could not be erased. But she must be Dutch...Besides she had three Dutch daughters...

Vanesa.

I agree with you Vanesa, It is her DUTY to be Dutch, she has 3 Dutch daughters and beside the Dutch people pay her salary, It is her Duty, and moral obligation to be Dutch, I would be too in her place!

[Regina]

I agree with Vanessa too. Máxima's roots cannot and should not be forgotten, obviously. The way she understand the world, her tastes, her personality, have argentinian influences. But her role, responsibilities and affection are with Dutch people now.
When Máxima said she was a Dutch who happened to be born in Argentina, I thought "she truly understands her mission as a Dutch princess".
I guess it was not easy for her to reply like this to an argentinian reporter, because there are always persons who will criticize, but she did it. If I was a Dutch I would feel proud of her.

[DUCHESSSA]

[QUOTE=ashelen;700301]When you live outside the country where you were born, you loose a little bit your nationality in a way. ...


You are right; I, too, was born in Argentina and now, visiting Buenos Aires after living in New York for 26 years, I live the same type of experiences you did.
I imagine Maxima Zorriegueta, a Vicente López lady for 30+ years, is not different from any other person when he / she lives in a foreign land 5+ years.

[ashelen]

[QUOTE=DUCHESSSA;700386]

Originally Posted by ashelen

When you live outside the country where you were born, you loose a little bit your nationality in a way. ...


You are right; I, too, was born in Argentina and now, visiting Buenos Aires after living in New York for 26 years, I live the same type of experiences you did.
I imagine Maxima Zorriegueta, a Vicente López lady for 30+ years, is not different from any other person when he / she lives in a foreign land 5+ years.

Duchesa:
yes, it is like you said, we can born and grow up in a country but when you live so many years in others countries you asimilate their way of living. I born and grow up Argentina from danish parents who tried to keep the danish tradition at home, my danish grandmother lived there for 30 years without speaking spanish! so in a way I was already half argentinean , half danish,
Now I am married with a British man and my daughter born here in the US. She is living here , and we are keeping for her british, argentinean and danish traditions, I wonder what will be for her? She is only 6 and know about it, I am sure in a way it will be the same for Maxima's daughters they are dutch but in a way they are half argentinean and I am sure they will grow up with some Argentinean traditions! may be music, food, language etc......
and I am sure she feel today more Dutch than anything else!

Originally Posted by princess olga

You sure you read the article?
Maxima there is again confirmed as someone who knows <exactly> what she wants. Think she would have been as charmed by Willem Alexander's blond eighties hairdo if he'd been employed as a plummer, bar a trust fund and a throne? Think again.
This is the kind of girl, and the article underlines this, who was <brought up> with the (unspoken, but nevertheless very present) goal of marrying someone who could add to their prestige and bank account. I used to live and work in New York, and believe me, there are thousands of Maxima's in New York trying to get into the best of circles in order to find the best possible (read: wealthiest) husband.
We're talking about a woman here who so overshadowed her poor groom at her wedding that it is hard to remember he was even there.

And those dinners...they want and take the opportunity to influence, that's all. While I adore Queen Beatrix and quite like Laurentien and Constantijn, I am a bit sceptical about Willem Alexander and Maxima, because she strikes me as someone more like Evita than, say, Marilene. Evita bettered herself and her position and gained influence through marrying a powerful husband, in a cooly steely focused way. I see Maxima in not much of a different light, sorry folks who are choosing to drink the koolaid on this woman, I just see her as I've come across so many others of her sort when in New York.

princess olga:I agree with you, i had been in new york, and it is plenty girls like this, i wonde if W-A was a plummer, no money if she would have look at him? and she looks a little bit like EVITA!

Originally Posted by Henri M.

What is attractive in Prince Willem-Alexander?

He is the Heir to a fortune. He is gives her access to centuries old palaces, castles, estates. He provides her dazzling diamonds, rubies, pearls, emeralds, sapphires once worn by Stuarts, Yorks, Romanovs, etc. He makes her a housewife with one of the finest porcelain, gold-, silver- and crystalware collections in the world. He surrounds her with dozens of impeccably uniformed footmen. He lets her drive in bulletfree extended royalblue Volvo limousines with chauffeur. He makes her a Princess in her own right, with her own income, her own arms, her own personal standard, her own staff. He makes her free flying in private planes from Buenos Aires to Amsterdam v.v. He makes her dazzle amidst the high and the mighty of this world.

That is what is so attractive to Prince Willem-Alexander.

Oh yes: he is a loving and a caring husband. He is the most easy-going, laidback and goodnatured man you can imagine. He is devoted to his wife and his two daughters. Maybe we must not forget this too.

YES, HENRI WHICH WOMAN WOULDN'T BE TEMETEP FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID?, I WOULD AND I KNOW MILLIION OF WOMAN WOULD WANT SOEMBODY LIKE HIM!THA'T IS WHAT IS ATTRACTIVE ABOUT HIM1

[DUCHESSSA]

Princess Olga,

Maxima, because she strikes me as someone more like Evita

To compare Maxima Zorriegueta -a lady born to a family with money, name and education....a very weell educated person herself- with María Eva (Evita) Duarte de Perón is the same as to compare a diamant to a piece of junk.
Evita was a product of the lowest (among the lowests) echelon.

Duchesssa

[ashelen]

Originally Posted by DUCHESSSA

Princess Olga,

Maxima, because she strikes me as someone more like Evita

To compare Maxima Zorriegueta -a lady born to a family with money, name and education....a very weell educated person herself- with María Eva (Evita) Duarte de Perón is the same as to compare a diamant to a piece of junk.
Evita was a product of the lowest (among the lowests) echelon.

Duchesssa

duchessa :
you are right about evita, but i think what princess olga means her looks, sometimes she has the hair the same as EVITA and because would M look at W-A IF HE WAS A PLUMMER?

[ashelen]

I was reading most of the posts in this threat and we really will never know if she is a golddiger or a social climber, it is true that she come from an upper middle class familly but compare with the fortune of W-A her family don't have anything so I am sure she was deslumbrate by his power and fortune , and she is a lady that she knows what she wants, they look very in love despite what ever we think about her. She works very hard but I am sure a lot of us work very hard and we do not get her salary or close to that and eventhought she is a working mother like a lot of us, we do not get what she has at home, probably several babysitters, a cook , maids, etc...... so a lot of things she does not to get worry or in stress like us, she doesn't have to do any house work like we most of us do,
regarding her way to dress or hair, I think she does quite fine, she must have stylest, make up artist at home and somebody who choose her outfites , accesories or at list organize for her, most of us , who has kids know how difficult it is to go out to work looking good and she most of the time looks great so she has a lot of help for that. even in her bad hair days i would love to look as glamorous as her! I would be the same if I would have all the help that she has and certenly I would work hard too if the Dutch people is paying me such a salary free of tax!
Anyway I am sure she doesn't care what we think or we say about her, she looks happy who she is and her life how it is she probably got what she wanted a good package, a man who love her, beautifull kids, fortune and power! what else anybody wants to have! and I congratulate her for what she really is and have done! I take my hat of for her including learning a very difficult language like it is the dutch!

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by ashelen

duchessa :
you are right about evita, but i think what princess olga means her looks, sometimes she has the hair the same as EVITA and because would M look at W-A IF HE WAS A PLUMMER?

yes, I meant she does, physically, resemble Evita sometimes. And she also shares that they both married up. Sure, Evita came from the slums. Maxima came from a wealthy background. But let's face it, landing a European crown prince is, for billions of women on this planet, an enormous catch!

But let me, for the record, say this about Maxima: over the years I have followed her a bit more closely and as a result, adjusted my opinion of her.

I do think that she saw an opportunity in Alexander taking a shine to her. That I do.

Meanwhile, I on the other hand have no reason to believe she doesn't genuinely like Alexander as well. Especially now that I have adjusted my opinion on <him>, too, especially after this recent lenghty interview he gave in the Netherlands. It was clear, from that interview, that Alexander is a man of vision and substance. Moreover, he seems kind. And to go totally superficial: pictures do not do him justice. He is pretty handsome, and his voice is downright sexy. So if I from a remote distance can see that, Maxima certainly could, too.

To go back to her: she has proven over the past years that she is no idiot. There may be an ambitious side to her, but the good part about that is that she's made a huge effort to do whatever's on her path to show the world she's serious about her place in Dutch society. Her Dutch is exemplary.

Wherever she goes, she goes well prepared, and unlike some of her counterparts in other countries (Mette Marit, Mary especially), you will NEVER catch a Maxima who seems bored.
On the contrary, Maxima always, always, goes out of her way to show interest in whatever situation she is in.

Which is I think, the epitome of showing others respect.
This is why I adjusted my opinion of this lady. Let's face it, there are already enough bored-looking princesses on the European continent. Thank goodness Maxima is showing the world how to be the opposite!

[marilyne]

Originally Posted by princess olga

Wherever she goes, she goes well prepared, and unlike some of her counterparts in other countries (Mette Marit, Mary especially), you will NEVER catch a Maxima who seems bored.
On the contrary, Maxima always, always, goes out of her way to show interest in whatever situation she is in.

I agree with you. A while ago she opened the Mauritstentoonstelling in the Legermuseum in Delft. There were also kids present, who joined her. They told Blauw Bloed that the princess was very interested and that she knew a lot of information. She knew almost everything about the subject.

I don't know anything about the other princesses you mentioned, but I have never seen Macima bored...

[Regina]

Máxima is, imo, the Crown Princess who work harder to do everything well done. I also believe she has a good heart and she seems very resolute in all her movements

The only thing I don't like much on Máxima are her constant and long lasting laughs. They seem exaggerated to me. I wouldn't like to see a too serious and bored crown princess and I know a good smile makes wonders to the people around you, but her exaggerated behaviour is not very elegant, imo. Sometimes I wonder what she is seeing or hearing to make her laugh her guts out all the time.

[ashelen]

Originally Posted by princess olga

yes, I meant she does, physically, resemble Evita sometimes. And she also shares that they both married up. Sure, Evita came from the slums. Maxima came from a wealthy background. But let's face it, landing a European crown prince is, for billions of women on this planet, an enormous catch!

But let me, for the record, say this about Maxima: over the years I have followed her a bit more closely and as a result, adjusted my opinion of her.

I do think that she saw an opportunity in Alexander taking a shine to her. That I do.

Meanwhile, I on the other hand have no reason to believe she doesn't genuinely like Alexander as well. Especially now that I have adjusted my opinion on <him>, too, especially after this recent lenghty interview he gave in the Netherlands. It was clear, from that interview, that Alexander is a man of vision and substance. Moreover, he seems kind. And to go totally superficial: pictures do not do him justice. He is pretty handsome, and his voice is downright sexy. So if I from a remote distance can see that, Maxima certainly could, too.

To go back to her: she has proven over the past years that she is no idiot. There may be an ambitious side to her, but the good part about that is that she's made a huge effort to do whatever's on her path to show the world she's serious about her place in Dutch society. Her Dutch is exemplary.

Wherever she goes, she goes well prepared, and unlike some of her counterparts in other countries (Mette Marit, Mary especially), you will NEVER catch a Maxima who seems bored.
On the contrary, Maxima always, always, goes out of her way to show interest in whatever situation she is in.

Which is I think, the epitome of showing others respect.
This is why I adjusted my opinion of this lady. Let's face it, there are already enough bored-looking princesses on the European continent. Thank goodness Maxima is showing the world how to be the opposite!

princess olga, I agree so much with you, she looks in love with him but like you said "an enormous catch!"

[gamali]

Hello! I am a big fan of Maxima and I am looking forward to participate in this forum.
I like Maxima because she is genuine, she loves what she is doing and it shows, and she has strong family values.
No matter al the criticism she has received because of her father's past liason with a dictatorial regime, she has shown the world that she adores her father and that her father is a very important part of her new family.
Queen Beatriz has been excellent in giving Maxima a vote of confidence and letting the world know that Maxima is greatly respected and appreciated by her and her peers.

Originally Posted by saphills

as long as her brains don't shrink, it's ok...I think that they are her most valued talent.

Totally agree, Her brains and her personality are her assets.
She is definitely not looking as good as in the past; but she has had three pregnacies one after the other, and she has not rested enough, Even when she was about to give birth, you could see Princess Maxima going places. That is an admirable quality of hers!!!

[PadThaiPrincess]

Originally Posted by Regina

Máxima is, imo, the Crown Princess who work harder to do everything well done. I also believe she has a good heart and she seems very resolute in all her movements

The only thing I don't like much on Máxima are her constant and long lasting laughs. They seem exaggerated to me. I wouldn't like to see a too serious and bored crown princess and I know a good smile makes wonders to the people around you, but her exaggerated behaviour is not very elegant, imo. Sometimes I wonder what she is seeing or hearing to make her laugh her guts out all the time.

I felt the same way about Princess Maxima when she first appeared on the scene; that she was too boisterous for a Royal. Now I've come to appreciate her enthusiasm and how her sense of humor compliments her husband's personality. It will be an asset rather than a liability when she becomes Queen Consort.

[Empress]

What I think makes Maxima so endearing, and so loved by the Dutch people, is the fact that they can relate to her. She seems to be a down to earth, and genuinely caring person, who appears to take time to listen to what other people have to say.

Come to think of it, it seems like almost all of the Dutch princesses, or at the very least Laurentien and Maxima, share this trait. They were "normal" people before becoming princesses, and they do not seem to have lost that normalcy when they married into the Royal Family. They don't seem to have become caught up in the trappings that surround their new position.

Not to say that they are not making full use out of everything that they have, but nearly everyone would do that.

I guess the best way to say it is this way: "The title of princess does not wear them, Maxima and Laurentien wear the title of princess with grace and a measure of humility."

[gamali]

I guess the best way to say it is this way: "The title of princess does not wear them, Maxima and Laurentien wear the title of princess with grace and a measure of humility."

Could not have said it better!!!!

[Vanesa]

But I was amazed when seeing the pic in which she appears with his husband and the Queen en Italy. What a pinky stuff! Look at the Queen and the Princess outfits...Scandalously PINK! And also Prince Willem's Alexander's tie...

My...I've never liked pink in the clothes. People dressed in pink looks as if he/she was a big meringue-cake...Do you know, these meringues couloured with some pink in it...

Vanesa.