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“Gloria Steinem. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Emma Watson. Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. Malala Yousafzai.

These are just a few influential women who have become pillars of strength and inspiration in the fight for gender equality and Meghan Markle has become another distinguished advocate for women’s rights after the royal tour to Africa with Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex.

Although supporting charitable causes is not new to Meghan or the Royals, her recent visit to South Africa resonated with locals and the rest of the world because she used it as an opportunity to highlight gender-based violence, a profound issue that’s been making headlines around the world as the war on women intensifies.“

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Old 10-11-2019, 02:27 PM
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And yet we all know at the end of the day it’s not going to make much difference. Not to say we don’t try but a lot this stuff doesn’t translate to the countries where it’s needed.

Religion is a powerful force and unfortunately it’s keeps women and girls excluded from many opportunities.

When I was in Afghanistan, we lobbied for years to build a school for girls. We ultimately received permission from the local authorities but within weeks it was demolished. And on it goes.

Much bigger names than Meghan Markle have fought this issue for years with really not much success. The change will have to come from within the countries themselves.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:41 PM
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And yet we all know at the end of the day it’s not going to make much difference. Not to say we don’t try but a lot this stuff doesn’t translate to the countries where it’s needed.

Religion is a powerful force and unfortunately it’s keeps women and girls excluded from many opportunities.

When I was in Afghanistan, we lobbied for years to build a school for girls. We ultimately received permission from the local authorities but within weeks it was demolished. And on it goes.

Much bigger names than Meghan Markle have fought this issue for years with really not much success. The change will have to come from within the countries themselves.
You make a very good point - and deserve a big thank you for your effort to build a school in Afghanistan - but IMO it's even less likely change if the rest of the world remains silent.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:42 PM
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The head of state is a women, two former prime ministers are women, the first minister of Scotland is a women, the head of the metropolitan police is a women.

‘Girl power’ has been alive and kicking for sometime.
It is great that the Head of State is a woman, but we all know it is because she did not have a brother. It is good that the Berth Agreement of 2011 replaced the male-preference with absolute-primogeniture, but still a lot needs to be done because still the boys and girls in her own family are not treated equally.

So IMO, International Day of the Girl still needs to be observed to try and bring worldwide awareness to the gender inequality.

So BRAVO to The Duchess of Sussex for posting a video in support of #InternationalDayoftheGirl.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:47 PM
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And yet we all know at the end of the day it’s not going to make much difference. Not to say we don’t try but a lot this stuff doesn’t translate to the countries where it’s needed.

Religion is a powerful force and unfortunately it’s keeps women and girls excluded from many opportunities.

When I was in Afghanistan, we lobbied for years to build a school for girls. We ultimately received permission from the local authorities but within weeks it was demolished. And on it goes.

Much bigger names than Meghan Markle have fought this issue for years with really not much success. The change will have to come from within the countries themselves.
As someone who is still in this work, I beg to differ. It DOES make a difference in ways big and small.

I am sorry the school didn't work out, but I can cite of examples of projects I've worked on in Afghanistan (and other places) that have been successful and endured, sometimes against incredible odds and violence, that have improved the outcomes of the girls in our goal communities. Thats not a brag, the success was because of smart partnership between international orgs and innovative and persistent Afghani women leaders on the ground. Not every project works, many don't. That is true for just about any issue anywhere. Perhaps conditions have changed since your time.

Progress isn't overnight. Its years, decades, generations of work. And its cumulative. The Duchess of Sussex is a massive name right name and is lending her voice to critical work globally while working locally to empower women in her new home country. Her work and everyone who works on this critical issue is to be applauded.
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It is great that the Head of State is a woman, but we all know it is because she did not have a brother. It is good that the Berth Agreement of 2011 replaced the male-preference with absolute-primogeniture, but still a lot needs to be done because still the boys and girls in her own family are not treated equally.

So IMO, International Day of the Girl still needs to be observed to try and bring worldwide awareness to the gender inequality.

So BRAVO to The Duchess of Sussex for posting a video in support of #InternationalDayoftheGirl.
I agree. Here in England, there are still some people that share such outdated views about women and girls - a few years ago, a UKIP member said that he thought women shouldn't be allowed to wear trousers, as an example. Whilst we've made enormous progress, as you have said, a lot still needs to be done and as a woman living in Britain a lot of people - women included, not just men - share very stereotypical and unrealistic sexist views of women. I think International Day of the Girl isn't widely observed enough - I personally hadn't heard of the day until I started regularly following the royals.
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Old 10-11-2019, 04:35 PM
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I think International Day of the Girl isn't widely observed enough - I personally hadn't heard of the day until I started regularly following the royals.
It's the first time I read about it, so learned something new today. I do know about international women's day, and would think that girls are included in that as well; so wasn't aware of a need for an international day of the girl either... I assume it focuses more on schooling etc while International Women's Day focuses more on career opportunities etc?! I'd say they are tied together and in general I don't care that much about 'day of X or Y' but it makes sense for others to jump on the band wagon and promote a cause they are also promoting the rest of the year.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:34 PM
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Even among religious communities there is a movement to expand women's rights and education. Perhaps in tighter boundaries but it is still there.

I attended my first International day of the girl (first year held) at the Centre for South Asian Women in my city. A centre for Muslim women. More then half the people there were men. Were fathers, brothers, and husbands there who were saying its time to change the dialogue about how the women in our society are treated. Standing up saying they would support their wives and daughters in their pursuits. The friend who invited me is a hijabi, and deals with so many people thinking every day that she is being forced to wear it, and that she has less rights then a man. She is one of the only women (including older women like her grandmother) who wears one. Her mother and grandmother only cover their head at mosque. She was working at the centre while working on her masters degree in psychology.

There is a difference between Internaional women's day and international day of the girl. But they both play a needed role in society. In educating people who don't get what still needs to be done in society.

Even in countries of priviledge for women like Canada and the UK, the wage gap is ridiculous, though getting smaller as time goes on. The role of women in power is small and only just building. Yes the UK has had two female prime ministers, but many of the queen's realms have not. Canada has Never had an Elected female prime minister (we had one who was shortly in office but because the PM resigned before election, and she took over the party).


International day of the girl is different. It focusses on education and potential. It makes me scream when I read 'well feminists don't get some women want to be nurses and house wives'. Oh we Do get it, we are not ignorant or close minded. And if a woman Chooses these paths, we are all for it. But it needs to be their choice and they need to have the tools to make other choices to.


Education is key. And is where real change can happen. This is where Meghan was heavily involved for years and where she is still showing an interest.

Two key areas she has worked with:

-water: because of no access to fresh water, some girls have to walk miles to get water for their home. They are forced to not to go to school, so they can make these walks every day for their family. By groups like World vision building simple wells in the village, girls are able to go to school like boys.

-sanitation: As sad as it is to say when girls hit puberty in some countries, they miss a lot of school or drop out, due to lack of sanitary products and facilities during their menstrual cycles. Providing access to such things, something so simple most take for granted, again allows those girls to focus on education.


It goes further into things like working conditions, forced child marriage and sexual violence. Meghan likely could do well working with Camilla and Eugenie on some of their projects. I notice Sophie is focussed on sexual violence on her upcoming trip to Kossovo.


This video was great, and I hope to see more of it from Meghan. I have no doubt we will. From her patronages, and focus on her tours so far, we see a real drive towards both education and female empowerment.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:17 PM
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A wonderful & inspirational video from Duchess Meghan on this important day. Sweet to see the clip of an 11 year old Meghan, emphasizes that what may seem like something small today, may have even greater impact in the future. Bravo to leaders & doers who try to have a positive impact & do not settle for the negativity of others. Even if it encourages 1 person, gives some hope, it’s an accomplishment & appreciated.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:47 PM
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The fact that International Day of the Girl isn't celebrated in some countries highlights the fact that battle hasn't been won and still needs to be fought.

Should we stop speaking out about democracy - another western progressive concept some countries don't share?

Keep in mind gender equality hasn't always been a western value. Two of the UK's prime ministers have been women but only in the past 40 years. The other 60 prime ministers were all men. Just one hundred years ago western society regarded wife abuse as a "private family matter" and authorities refused to intervene.

Yes, some countries have very different values than ours. But that doesn't mean we close our eyes to the abuses we see. And just because we aren't likely to see these countries change in our lifetime doesn't mean we shouldn't keep chipping away at the abuses. You do what you can then you pass the ammunition on to the next generation. It's not "idealism." It's simply the way all social movements in the real world work.

No one's saying International Day of the Girl is going to change the world. But it's an opportunity to shine a spotlight on the issues girls face in other countries.

As the UN website states:
"International days are occasions to educate the public on issues of concern, to mobilize political will and resources to address global problems, and to celebrate and reinforce achievements of humanity."
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:18 AM
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Well, I haven´t done a post about the controversy around the Sussexes so far - I don´t know if this is the correct thread to do it - still, I would like to share a few thoughts about it.

Before, I have to tell you that I am a pretty "hard core" Royalist/ Monarchist (I´am not a "fan"!, like you could be a fan of Lady Gaga or Miss Jolie). I started collecting magazine clippings about Royalty since my childhood, put Harry and William as babies in little frames on my desk in my nursery and funny other things...
I just want to say that I feel so connected to The Queen and her family (and some other royal families, too) and I have so much sympathy for them, much more would be pretty impossible.

So, what I wanted to say about Harry and Meghan is that I am concerned about in what direction this is going. Because I love the royal families so much I just cannot understand why, since about some years, they constantly keep saying the most personal of things which are of nobodys business except their own family?! It´so often about things you would normally only share with very selected family members, the best of friends or your therapist!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...mpression=true

It was the right thing to do of William and Harry to open up about how much of a loss their mother´s early death was and, in connection with their mental health charity (which indeed is a very important subject in our society!), stating how important it is to open up, to speak with someone about ones problems. Once, twice is ok. But this seems to become slowly of a "compulsion" they obviously can´t let go anymore. I, who had so much understanding and sympathy about the Prince´s loss 22 years ago become a bit, I must confess, driven off by all this "Oh my mother here", "my mother was the greatest", "Oh I will miss her forever" etc etc...

Of course this is a never completely healing wound, of course they will pity this early loss for the rest of their lives. But please, Princes Harry and William, mourn your mother together, in private, with your wives, tell your children about how wonderful their grandmother was - all this helps to cope!

But dragging this tragedy into public and media discussion over and over again won´t help the Princes themselves, nor the charity causes they represent and never the monarchy! If someone acts as a parton of a charity and then breaks down during his official speech because, again, he talks about personal things, he mixes his job, his duty (whatever you might call it) with his personal matters and puts this first before the job he actually was present for!

Everything at the moment seems to become covered up by Harry and Meghan´s problems with the media and family members. Where are the things Royalty is really there for? The Monarchy is here to be there for the people, to represent them in the most dignified way home and abroad, to be a voice for minorities, for the poor! Where are the serious discussions about their work, their charities WITHOUT arguments about their proper or not-so-proper public appearences?!

Harry was the star of the RF, loved by virtually anybody, men and women. What happened since he got married? For 15, almost 20 years he was my hero. Today I find him often simply annoying...
Why is the Queen held in such high regard? Why are so many people in Japan so reverential towards the japanese emperial family? Because they keep their mouth shut about personal things and speak only when their task requires for it!

In my opinion the desire of what is liked to be called "modern monarchy", giving interviews on virtually a daily basis, sharing your private things with a world audience, demonstrating constantly "We are nothing special, no, we are just like you!", is a road that leads into nowhere and is neither helpful for us, the media nor the Royals themselves!
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Old 10-19-2019, 12:32 PM
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Well, I haven´t done a post about the controversy around the Sussexes so far - I don´t know if this is the correct thread to do it - still, I would like to share a few thoughts about it.

Before, I have to tell you that I am a pretty "hard core" Royalist/ Monarchist (I´am not a "fan"!, like you could be a fan of Lady Gaga or Miss Jolie). I started collecting magazine clippings about Royalty since my childhood, put Harry and William as babies in little frames on my desk in my nursery and funny other things...
I just want to say that I feel so connected to The Queen and her family (and some other royal families, too) and I have so much sympathy for them, much more would be pretty impossible.

So, what I wanted to say about Harry and Meghan is that I am concerned about in what direction this is going. Because I love the royal families so much I just cannot understand why, since about some years, they constantly keep saying the most personal of things which are of nobodys business except their own family?! It´so often about things you would normally only share with very selected family members, the best of friends or your therapist!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...mpression=true

It was the right thing to do of William and Harry to open up about how much of a loss their mother´s early death was and, in connection with their mental health charity (which indeed is a very important subject in our society!), stating how important it is to open up, to speak with someone about ones problems. Once, twice is ok. But this seems to become slowly of a "compulsion" they obviously can´t let go anymore. I, who had so much understanding and sympathy about the Prince´s loss 22 years ago become a bit, I must confess, driven off by all this "Oh my mother here", "my mother was the greatest", "Oh I will miss her forever" etc etc...

Of course this is a never completely healing wound, of course they will pity this early loss for the rest of their lives. But please, Princes Harry and William, mourn your mother together, in private, with your wives, tell your children about how wonderful their grandmother was - all this helps to cope!

But dragging this tragedy into public and media discussion over and over again won´t help the Princes themselves, nor the charity causes they represent and never the monarchy! If someone acts as a parton of a charity and then breaks down during his official speech because, again, he talks about personal things, he mixes his job, his duty (whatever you might call it) with his personal matters and puts this first before the job he actually was present for!

Everything at the moment seems to become covered up by Harry and Meghan´s problems with the media and family members. Where are the things Royalty is really there for? The Monarchy is here to be there for the people, to represent them in the most dignified way home and abroad, to be a voice for minorities, for the poor! Where are the serious discussions about their work, their charities WITHOUT arguments about their proper or not-so-proper public appearences?!

Harry was the star of the RF, loved by virtually anybody, men and women. What happened since he got married? For 15, almost 20 years he was my hero. Today I find him often simply annoying...
Why is the Queen held in such high regard? Why are so many people in Japan so reverential towards the japanese emperial family? Because they keep their mouth shut about personal things and speak only when their task requires for it!

In my opinion the desire of what is liked to be called "modern monarchy", giving interviews on virtually a daily basis, sharing your private things with a world audience, demonstrating constantly "We are nothing special, no, we are just like you!", is a road that leads into nowhere and is neither helpful for us, the media nor the Royals themselves!
I have to say that I agree with quite a lot of what you say.
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Old 10-19-2019, 12:41 PM
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I see it as putting one's money where one's mouth is. Harry actively campaigns for mental health and urges people to start a conversation, tells them that they're not alone with having issues and to be open about one's issues. That's what he's done.

“How strange that we should ordinarily feel compelled to hide our wounds when we are all wounded! Community requires the ability to expose our wounds and weaknesses to our fellow creatures. It also requires the ability to be affected by the wounds of others... But even more important is the love that arises among us when we share, both ways, our woundedness.”

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That's our Harry in a nutshell.
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It sounds as though we'll find out when the program is aired tomorrow. An interesting thought, if true.
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I have to say that I agree with quite a lot of what you say.
Me too.
But in the modern era, it often seems as if full disclosure is not only a positive thing, but a necessary one as well.
I find that pov debatable.
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Old 10-19-2019, 10:50 PM
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Well, I haven´t done a post about the controversy around the Sussexes so far - I don´t know if this is the correct thread to do it - still, I would like to share a few thoughts about it.

Before, I have to tell you that I am a pretty "hard core" Royalist/ Monarchist (I´am not a "fan"!, like you could be a fan of Lady Gaga or Miss Jolie). I started collecting magazine clippings about Royalty since my childhood, put Harry and William as babies in little frames on my desk in my nursery and funny other things...
I just want to say that I feel so connected to The Queen and her family (and some other royal families, too) and I have so much sympathy for them, much more would be pretty impossible.

So, what I wanted to say about Harry and Meghan is that I am concerned about in what direction this is going. Because I love the royal families so much I just cannot understand why, since about some years, they constantly keep saying the most personal of things which are of nobodys business except their own family?! It´so often about things you would normally only share with very selected family members, the best of friends or your therapist!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...mpression=true

It was the right thing to do of William and Harry to open up about how much of a loss their mother´s early death was and, in connection with their mental health charity (which indeed is a very important subject in our society!), stating how important it is to open up, to speak with someone about ones problems. Once, twice is ok. But this seems to become slowly of a "compulsion" they obviously can´t let go anymore. I, who had so much understanding and sympathy about the Prince´s loss 22 years ago become a bit, I must confess, driven off by all this "Oh my mother here", "my mother was the greatest", "Oh I will miss her forever" etc etc...

Of course this is a never completely healing wound, of course they will pity this early loss for the rest of their lives. But please, Princes Harry and William, mourn your mother together, in private, with your wives, tell your children about how wonderful their grandmother was - all this helps to cope!

But dragging this tragedy into public and media discussion over and over again won´t help the Princes themselves, nor the charity causes they represent and never the monarchy! If someone acts as a parton of a charity and then breaks down during his official speech because, again, he talks about personal things, he mixes his job, his duty (whatever you might call it) with his personal matters and puts this first before the job he actually was present for!

Everything at the moment seems to become covered up by Harry and Meghan´s problems with the media and family members. Where are the things Royalty is really there for? The Monarchy is here to be there for the people, to represent them in the most dignified way home and abroad, to be a voice for minorities, for the poor! Where are the serious discussions about their work, their charities WITHOUT arguments about their proper or not-so-proper public appearences?!

Harry was the star of the RF, loved by virtually anybody, men and women. What happened since he got married? For 15, almost 20 years he was my hero. Today I find him often simply annoying...
Why is the Queen held in such high regard? Why are so many people in Japan so reverential towards the japanese emperial family? Because they keep their mouth shut about personal things and speak only when their task requires for it!

In my opinion the desire of what is liked to be called "modern monarchy", giving interviews on virtually a daily basis, sharing your private things with a world audience, demonstrating constantly "We are nothing special, no, we are just like you!", is a road that leads into nowhere and is neither helpful for us, the media nor the Royals themselves!
well said. I really agree with quite a lot in your post.
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I suppose at the end of the day it’ll be the British press and the British public who’ll decide if it’ll be an ‘issue’. Royal fans and commentators will have little say.
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[...] leaving the BRF is rIdiculous. It would be letting these bullies win and they certainly won't lay off if they did leave. They will try to turn them into the Duke and Duchess of Windsor 2.0.

If they are spending Thanksgiving with Doria they are blessed with one family member in their corner. Christmas at Sandringham is going to be ... who knows? The press will be out with body language experts.
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