Princely House de Ligne

[maria-olivia]

For his parents SA le Prince de Ligne et SAR la Princesse de Ligne , née Princesse Alix de Luxembourg.
It is just the same for his Brother Prince Michel : SA le Prince de Ligne et SAR la Princesse de Ligne , née Princesse d' Orleans Bragance.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Somebody

The announcement linked states 'Son Altesse', so 'His Highness'; where did you find the 'royale' part?

It does say "Son Altesse Royale"
"C’est avec une grande tristesse que Leurs Altesses Royales le Grand-Duc et la Grande-Duchesse ont appris la disparition de Son Altesse Royale le Prince Wauthier de Ligne, survenue lundi, à l’âge de 70 ans."

https://monarchie.lu/en/node/2682

[maria-olivia]

It is a mistake !

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by JR76

It does say "Son Altesse Royale"
"C’est avec une grande tristesse que Leurs Altesses Royales le Grand-Duc et la Grande-Duchesse ont appris la disparition de Son Altesse Royale le Prince Wauthier de Ligne, survenue lundi, à l’âge de 70 ans."

https://monarchie.lu/en/node/2682

I see. The official announcement by the family (that I linked) only used 'Son Altesse' but now I understand, the message was about a separate post by the Luxembourgian grand-ducal family.

[maria-olivia]

The Habsbourg and the de Ligne are Cousins.
Princess Yolande de Ligne, Sister of Prince Antoine (Prince Wauthier's Father) married Archduke Carl Ludwig of Habsbourg. She is still alive. They had 4 Children, Archdukes Rudolf and Christian did attend . They wore their Golden Fleece Order and their wifes the Starry Cross such as Princess Regine the Widow of Prince Wauthier.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

I don’t think the house law you speak of applies to the de Lignes.

Perhaps surprisingly, it does apply to them as descendants of Grand-Duchess Charlotte.

Read the house law here:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2485460

Originally Posted by Somebody

I see. The official announcement by the family (that I linked) only used 'Son Altesse' but now I understand, the message was about a separate post by the Luxembourgian grand-ducal family.

It looks as if you accidentally added the family-announcement link to (the quotation from) my post instead of your own.

I thought my own post had quoted Blog Real's link to the grand-ducal court's announcement, but either the quotation was removed or I misremembered. But it was indeed the announcement to which I was referring. In theory the Grand Duke could have elevated his cousin to HRH, but I do not see a reason why he would.

Originally Posted by JR76

I interpret the Belgian law as long as she doesn't apply for Belgian citizenship she's free, as a foreign national, to use her foreign title.

What I do find noteworthy is the phrase - "This is subject to the condition that the title is indicated on the official personal documents issued by the competent authorities in their country.". Does this mean that a Swedish Count Bielke, who belongs to the second oldest familiy in Sweden, wouldn't be able to use his noble title officially if he resided in Belgium because it's not in his passport?

It seems logical: If he cannot officially use it even in his own country, it would be odd to use it in another.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Perhaps surprisingly, it does apply to them as descendants of Grand-Duchess Charlotte.

Read the house law here:
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2485460




It looks as if you accidentally added the family-announcement link to (the quotation from) my post instead of your own.

I thought my own post had quoted Blog Real's link to the grand-ducal court's announcement, but either the quotation was removed or I misremembered. But it was indeed the announcement to which I was referring. In theory the Grand Duke could have elevated his cousin to HRH, but I do not see a reason why he would.




It seems logical: If he cannot officially use it even in his own country, it would be odd to use it in another.

But how can Grand Duke Henri elevate him? He belongs to the Belgian nobility and received his titles from the Belgian monarchy not the Luxembourgish.

[Tatiana Maria]

Legally, there is nothing to prevent it. Other foreigners, such as the Bernadotte former princes or more recently Claire Lademacher, have been elevated by Luxembourg monarchs.

As an aside, it is fine to only quote the part of the post to which you are responding.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Biri

Why daughters of Princess Elisabeth de Ligne and her husband Baeon Gilles de Pelichy don't have a title of Baroness?

It seems depending on the Letters Patent of Nobility or on the tradition in francophone milieu, I think.
For an example in France and Italy daughters of nobles often go without their father's titles:

Paola Ruffo di Calabria (daughter of Fulco, principe Ruffo di Calabria, VI duca di Guardia Lombardi)

Marie-Liesse de Rohan-Chabot (daughter of comte Louis-Mériadec de Rohan-Chabot)

Philippine Gillès de Pelichy (daughter of baron Baudouin Gillès de Pelichy)

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Legally, there is nothing to prevent it. Other foreigners, such as the Bernadotte former princes or more recently Claire Lademacher, have been elevated by Luxembourg monarchs.

As an aside, it is fine to only quote the part of the post to which you are responding.

The Bernadotte Prince was given a title because he lost rights to the title and style of HRH and prince because of a morganatic marriage. Claire Lademarcher can be given the style of HRH (slightly different) because she’s married to a son of the Luxembourgish head of state.

[Tatiana Maria]

Moving this discussion to the appropriate forum:

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

Article 40 of the Luxembourg constitution reads: "Le Grand-Duc a le droit de conférer des titres de noblesse, sans pouvoir jamais y attacher aucun privilège." ("The Grand Duke may confer titles of nobility, without ever having the power to attach privileges to them.")

Nothing in the constitution, or in the house laws, stipulates that the Grand Duke may only confer HRHs on foreigners when they have married unequally or are married to the son of the head of the state.

[Somebody]

Because of the news that the court case against Air France and Airbus was started about the AF flight that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 and took among many other, prince Pedro Luiz of Orleans-Braganza, with it, I was reading his wikipedia page again and noticed this little snippet indicating that princess Alix was supposed to be on this flight as well... It must have been really strange to survive while losing your cousin - and puts your own life in a rather different perspective.

Luiz was killed in the crash of Air France Flight 447 on 1 June 2009. His double-cousin Princess Alix of Ligne had planned to travel with him, but took an earlier flight instead. Pedro Luiz' body was among those retrieved from the ocean and was buried in Vassouras in the family's mausoleum on 5 July.

[eya]

The Princess Marie de Ligne la Trémoïlle grand mother of Prince Edouard celebrates her 100th!!! Birthday!!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CjtWysaMVO_/?hl=el

[Biri]

Woooooow!

Congrats to her!

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by eya

The Princess Marie de Ligne la Trémoïlle grand mother of Prince Edouard celebrates her 100th!!! Birthday!!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CjtWysaMVO_/?hl=el

She is the last of her stunning trio after the recent death of Princess Armand d’Arenberg.

[Biri]

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

She is the last of her stunning trio after the recent death of Princess Armand d’Arenberg.

Was she her sister?
And who was the third sibling?

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Biri

Was she her sister?
And who was the third sibling?

The trio I am referring to are a group of three stunning and elegant women that include Madame Bertrand de La Haye Jousselin, the recently deceased Princess Armand d’Arenberg and Princess Marie de Ligne de La Tremoïlle(Princess Charles de Ligne de La Tremoïlle). Princess Marie’s older sister was the recently deceased Princess Armand d’Arenberg (Princess Gabrielle d’Arenberg, née Lambertye-Gerbérviller of the Marquesses Gerbéviller and there was a younger sister who also married into the de Ligne family called Leontine, but she died in 2016. The trio is also in reference to a picture of Princess Marie, Princess Armand and Madame Bertrand by Robert Doisneau.

[anderst]

I have acquired a signed card of who was said to be the Prince of Liege. If I’m not terribly mistaken, only Albert was Prince of Liege, and the signature on the card looks more like a B than Albert. That made me look into the House of Liege. The card is most likely from the 1960s or 70s, and back then the House of Liege had a Prince Baudouin. Would be sign his name with Prince B only? Any input in identifying this autographed card is highly appreciated.

[cdm]

I think you mixed up Prince of Liege with the Princely house of Ligne.

[Tatiana Maria]

I think anderst is correct. It resembles "Ligne" more than "Liège" and the initial is certainly a "B" and not an "A".

I'm sorry I can't be of further help with identification.