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08-23-2016, 07:00 PM
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Will the Romanians accept again like in 1866 and 1889 a Prince of Hohenzollern or they would prefer the daughter in law of a left wing politician?This is the question.
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Considering that it is 2016, and over a century has passed since 1889, and we live in the "modern" world, and given recent polling, and based on the situation in Romania, it is obvious that Romanians prefer "the daughter-in-law of a left wing politician" - as you so insultingly refer to HRH Crown Princess Margareta.
Good lord, there really is nothing like an ancient-minded monarchist scorned.
Wake up and smell the coffee - the Romanian Royal Family is back in Bucharest, and they are in Elisabeta Palace for good.
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08-24-2016, 12:18 AM
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I understand that it is hard to swallow for some posters that Romanian parlament will be voting on the change in the succession. The more so as some who have not been in favor of this change have based their argument mainly on the lack of approval from Romanian parlament. Now that this approval will be given, the whole argument falls apart.
Although it may be difficult to accept, there is no use in repeating lies or make up new rules though people are of course free to disagree with the decision. In defeat it is better to be gracious about it and move on.
Also for this thread counts: repetative posts will be deleted without notice. Regard this message as a notification.
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08-24-2016, 01:51 PM
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The section of the Law on the Royal House dealing with the succession to the Headship of the Royal House of Romania can be found in Chapter II, Articles 7-8.
Source: http://www.sgg.ro/legislativ/docs/20...tbm8vdz2jk.pdf
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08-24-2016, 01:51 PM
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There were nit oerolexing messages yesterday. Anybody who reads the controversial project of law sees it is not about the Succession to the Throne but only recognizes the Head if the Royal Family who is anyway the King. Nobody has any problem in recognizing that.
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08-24-2016, 02:00 PM
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There were nit oerolexing messages yesterday. Anybody who reads the controversial project of law sees it is not about the Succession to the Throne but only recognizes the Head if the Royal Family who is anyway the King. Nobody has any problem in recognizing that.
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Apparently someone does have a problem in recognizing that.
The law references "Șeful Casei Regale" not "Șeful Familiei Regale."
This means the Head of the Royal House of Romania and not the Head of the Royal Family is being recognized by this law. De jure the Head of the Royal House is HM the King, and de facto the Head of the Royal House is HRH the Crown Princess. On his death, the Custodian of the Crown will succeed her father as de jure Head of the Royal House.
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08-22-2017, 02:05 AM
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I am so happy for the couple. Fingers crossed he, and his new bride, will, sometime in the near future, be known as TRH Prince Nicholas and Princess Alina of Romania  |
The chance that you win the jackpot in the lottery is bigger than that a Swiss-born son of a British gentleman who largely lived in the United Kingdom suddenly gets back into the former royal family. It can only happen when his aunt Margareta gives a new swing to the title-vaudeville and re-instates the once commoner-born, once royal-made, once royal-stripped-and-back-to-commoner-status gentleman back into a sort of status in the former royal family.
Congratulations to Nicholas and Alina, they certainly look photogenic.
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08-22-2017, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair
The chance that you win the jackpot in the lottery is bigger than that a Swiss-born son of a British gentleman who largely lived in the United Kingdom suddenly gets back into the former royal family. It can only happen when his aunt Margareta gives a new swing to the title-vaudeville and re-instates the once commoner-born, once royal-made, once royal-stripped-and-back-to-commoner-status gentleman back into a sort of status in the former royal family.
Congratulations to Nicholas and Alina, they certainly look photogenic.
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Agreed, I don't see him being reinstated in the Line of Succession. Which is a pity since:
1. Theres no future for the monarchial movement in Romania without an heir. A movement that has so far been the most successful of all Eastern European Royal families in creating a relevant position for themselves in society.
2. If Nicholas hadn't lost his title I'd say that Alina-Maria, according to modern standards, is a dream bride for a prince.
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08-22-2017, 02:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair
The chance that you win the jackpot in the lottery is bigger than that a Swiss-born son of a British gentleman who largely lived in the United Kingdom suddenly gets back into the former royal family. It can only happen when his aunt Margareta gives a new swing to the title-vaudeville and re-instates the once commoner-born, once royal-made, once royal-stripped-and-back-to-commoner-status gentleman back into a sort of status in the former royal family.
Congratulations to Nicholas and Alina, they certainly look photogenic.
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Anything is possible Duc, anything
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08-22-2017, 02:54 AM
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Anything is possible Duc, anything |
That is for sure, everything is possible.
But most Romania-watchers seems to agree that the removal of Nicholas was on instigation of Princess Margareta and her husband Radu. The frail, old King, living in Switzerland seems to have rubberstamped what they fabricated.
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08-22-2017, 03:06 AM
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[....]
1. Theres no future for the monarchial movement in Romania without an heir. [....]
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There are plenty of heirs on itself:
According the line of succession changed by former King Michael
Princess Margareta of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Princess Elena of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Elisabeta Karina de Roumanie Medforth-Mills
Princess Sophie of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Elisabeta Maria de Roumanie Biarneix
Princess Maria of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
According the line of succession based on the last royal Constitution:
Prince Karl Friedrich, Fürst von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern
(son of Karl Friedrich and of Alexandra Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg)
Prince Albrecht von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Ferdinand von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Aloys von Hohenzollern
Prince Fidelis von Hohenzollern
Prince Carl Christian von Hohenzollern
Prince Nicolas von Hohenzollern
Prince Hubertus von Hohenzollern
Prince Ferfried von Hohenzollern
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08-22-2017, 05:16 AM
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There are plenty of heirs on itself:
According the line of succession changed by former King Michael
Princess Margareta of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Princess Elena of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Elisabeta Karina de Roumanie Medforth-Mills
Princess Sophie of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Elisabeta Maria de Roumanie Biarneix
Princess Maria of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
According the line of succession based on the last royal Constitution:
Prince Karl Friedrich, Fürst von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern
(son of Karl Friedrich and of Alexandra Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg)
Prince Albrecht von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Ferdinand von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Aloys von Hohenzollern
Prince Fidelis von Hohenzollern
Prince Carl Christian von Hohenzollern
Prince Nicolas von Hohenzollern
Prince Hubertus von Hohenzollern
Prince Ferfried von Hohenzollern
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Please, not again, Duc! Have mercy...!
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08-22-2017, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair
There are plenty of heirs on itself:
According the line of succession changed by former King Michael
Princess Margareta of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Princess Elena of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Elisabeta Karina de Roumanie Medforth-Mills
Princess Sophie of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
Elisabeta Maria de Roumanie Biarneix
Princess Maria of Romania born Princess von Hohenzollern
According the line of succession based on the last royal Constitution:
Prince Karl Friedrich, Fürst von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern
(son of Karl Friedrich and of Alexandra Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg)
Prince Albrecht von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Ferdinand von Hohenzollern
(son of Friedrich Wilhelm and of Margarita Prinzessin von und zu Leiningen)
Prince Aloys von Hohenzollern
Prince Fidelis von Hohenzollern
Prince Carl Christian von Hohenzollern
Prince Nicolas von Hohenzollern
Prince Hubertus von Hohenzollern
Prince Ferfried von Hohenzollern
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I seriously doubt a Hohenzollern being picked to lead the monarchial movement after the daughters of King Michael are gone. As goes for the two Elisabeths they'd be an obvious choice but one wonders why they're not being trained and sold to the Romanian public if them taking over is the case.
( And yes, lets not go down this path again 😂 
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08-22-2017, 06:45 AM
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I am not going to do the discussion of who-is-the-heir again, let us agree that there are (plenty of) heirs indeed for the defunct throne of Romania, in response to "there are no heirs".
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08-22-2017, 04:16 PM
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Please, not again, Duc! Have mercy...!
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08-22-2017, 05:56 PM
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The thrones of France, of Brazil, of Spain, of Two Sicilies, of Russia, of Parma, etc. have different lines of successions, all with their own theories so that Romania can possibly have four contenders is on itself no news: the michaelist one, the constitutional one, the Lambrino one and the Medforth Mills one. It is just waiting for the moment Nicholas declaring himself the successor.
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08-23-2017, 10:54 AM
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.According to the rule of succession of Romania Royal House ONLY there is ONE line, IT IS King Michael, Lambrino is not one line of sucesion, because the rules established that to be a successor had that: to contract religious marriage and the authorization of the head of the royal house, The head of the Royal House of Romania, he was the grandfather of King Michael, publicly opposed the marriage and it was not religious.Lambrino is no line of succession. King Michael is the only legitimate , he is the person who says who is the successor and who is at line....he has determined that Nicholas is not at sucesion line. He published it and Nicholas accepted the decission of his grandfather.
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11-21-2017, 05:05 PM
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Question regarding the line of succession?
According to the line of succession provided most recently by the former Royal Family of Romania, Elizabeth-Karina and Elizabeth-Marie are both in the line, however, I was under the impression (from reading somewhere) that Elizabeth-Karina had renounced her right to succession? Mostly I'm just curious, contemporary royalty is a tad outside my area of interest. I do wonder if Elizabeth-Marie has said anything about these developments?
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12-11-2017, 05:33 PM
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In his eulogy to King Michael, at the Parliament today, the Patriarch also addressed Margareta as "Your Majesty". The President used "Your Royal Highness".
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12-11-2017, 06:43 PM
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That is odd isn't it?
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