Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[tommy100]

And yet they drop him so quickly? I am no fan of either side but I have to say its odd behaviour. Yes Nicholas was wrong, he made a mistake but it speaks poorly of his aunt to publicly call her his son then be part of a complete abandonment of him.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by tommy100

And yet they drop him so quickly? I am no fan of either side but I have to say its odd behaviour. Yes Nicholas was wrong, he made a mistake but it speaks poorly of his aunt to publicly call her his son then be part of a complete abandonment of him.

His aunt? Or the former King? He had an experienced hand in scrapping, you know. He did it with the Hohenzollerns. With the Biarneix. With the Kreugers. With Irina. Why not with Nicholas?

And possibly the news was like a bombshell to aunt Margareta: "How could you? Step for step, piece by piece, we have built for our ideal, and now this? Where was your mind? Where was your loyalty? Where was your morale?"

Who knows. The stories of Michael and Anne heavily involved in Moral Re-Armament seems to indicate that they did demand high standards from themselves. And from their family. Any mistake, how futile it may be (cockfighting) seemed enough to become rücksichtlos kaltgesteltt (radically destroyed).

I have no any reason why Michael would not have done this. If he can scrap Michael Jr and Angelica for nothing, he can surely scrap Nicholas.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Did he receive money?

Yes, a modest amount according to Nicholas (to help him set-up his life outside of Romania).

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

His aunt? Or the former King? He had an experienced hand in scrapping, you know. He did it with the Hohenzollerns. With the Biarneix. With the Kreugers. With Irina. Why not with Nicholas?

And possibly the news was like a bombshell to aunt Margareta: "How could you? Step for step, piece by piece, we have built for our ideal, and now this? Where was your mind? Where was your loyalty? Where was your morale?"

Who knows. The stories of Michael and Anne heavily involved in Moral Re-Armament seems to indicate that they did demand high standards from themselves. And from their family. Any mistake, how futile it may be (cockfighting) seemed enough to become rücksichtlos kaltgesteltt (radically destroyed).

I have no any reason why Michael would not have done this. If he can scrap Michael Jr and Angelica for nothing, he can surely scrap Nicholas.

The Line proposed in 2007 was reduced in few years at a half with more or less reasons.

[tommy100]

I can understand Michael may have been disappointed in Nicholas' personal choices but as a King looking to the future of his house it wasn't, IMO, a good decision. Times move on, what was once considered unacceptable behaviour is not seen as such a big issue any more.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by tommy100

I can understand Michael may have been disappointed in Nicholas' personal choices but as a King looking to the future of his house it wasn't, IMO, a good decision. Times move on, what was once considered unacceptable behaviour is not seen as such a big issue any more.

There is no proof the King had ever been disappointed of his grandson.

[Somebody]

The type of unacceptable behavior by Nicholas is exactly what caused many issues for Mihai during his life (with his nephew); so, having a child out of wedlock (of a one-night stand) was the worst he could do.

And so far, I tend to believe that to be the case but Nicholas is free to proof otherwise.

[Marengo]

The burden of proof is usually with the accuser, not with the accused.

The reality is that none of us here will know what exactly happened between grandfather and grandson and that we have been going around in circles with possible explanations for what happened.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Marengo

The burden of proof is usually with the accuser, not with the accused.

The reality is that none of us here will know what exactly happened between grandfather and grandson and that we have been going around in circles with possible explanations for what happened.

Probably nothing happened really between the grandfather and the grandson but certainly something happened between the young man and other members of the Family.

[tommy100]

Whether with the King or Crown Princess Margareta it seems IMO short sighted as all its done in reality in ensure the Royal House has no future.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by tommy100

Whether with the King or Crown Princess Margareta it seems IMO short sighted as all its done in reality in ensure the Royal House has no future.

The one who tries to give a future to his Family and to the Monarchy is Nicholas himself.

[Benjamin]

People can claim that Margarita and Radu are the future of the family all they want, but one cannot deny they come across as ageing, cold, distant, and plus royaliste que le Roi.

Nicholas was not raised by his aunt or uncle. The good qualities that he brought to his role were to due to the life experiences he had endured before he accepted the wish of the King to become an active member of the Royal family. Only with Nicholas (and now Alina) integrated into the Royal House does it have any semblance of survival. If Margarita and Radu care so much about their work, they would have done something to make sure that the self-inflicted wounds they have caused did not occur.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...harry-romanian

Who is Nicholas Medforth-Mills? British lovechild and pretender to the Romanian throne

British schoolboy now third in line to Romanian throne after death of king | Metro News

Meet the royal billed as Romania's answer to Prince Harry with North East roots - Chronicle Live

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

People can claim that Margarita and Radu are the future of the family all they want, but one cannot deny they come across as ageing, cold, distant, and plus royaliste que le Roi.

Nicholas was not raised by his aunt or uncle. The good qualities that he brought to his role were to due to the life experiences he had endured before he accepted the wish of the King to become an active member of the Royal family. Only with Nicholas (and now Alina) integrated into the Royal House does it have any semblance of survival. If Margarita and Radu care so much about their work, they would have done something to make sure that the self-inflicted wounds they have caused did not occur.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...harry-romanian

Who is Nicholas Medforth-Mills? British lovechild and pretender to the Romanian throne

British schoolboy now third in line to Romanian throne after death of king | Metro News

Meet the royal billed as Romania's answer to Prince Harry with North East roots - Chronicle Live

The only hope for the descendants of the King to have an important role in rebuilding Romania is indeed Nicholas, young, popular, close to the people.

[tommy100]

I wouldn't say Nicholas is their only hope but in doing, or letting without comment, Michael do what he did to Nicholas, they have IMO made it seem the Royal House is very out of date

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Marengo

The burden of proof is usually with the accuser, not with the accused.

The reality is that none of us here will know what exactly happened between grandfather and grandson and that we have been going around in circles with possible explanations for what happened.

Usually indeed but action has been taken against the prince that is something we know for sure. While we don't know exactly what happened, something did happen which was related to morality. So far, Nicholas hasn't cooperated to establish his innocence (which would be fairly easy).

[Somebody]

Why wouldn't Elisabeta Karina be able to take the role that was previously carved out for Nicholas?

I don't think she would necessarily crave it (at least we haven't seen any signs that point in that direction) but I wonder why that option isn't considered by some as viable - reinstating Nicholas also has quite a few issues; so none seems ideal. Is it because the Romanian people will more readily accept a man than a woman as their (future) monarch?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Why wouldn't Elisabeta Karina be able to take the role that was previously carved out for Nicholas?

I don't think she would necessarily crave it (at least we haven't seen any signs that point in that direction) but I wonder why that option isn't considered by some as viable - reinstating Nicholas also has quite a few issues; so none seems ideal. Is it because the Romanian people will more readily accept a man than a woman as their (future) monarch?

Because she is not interested in doing so.

Karina did not attend the funeral of Queen Anne because her passport had expired.

She is a private British subject and that is highly unlikely to change.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

People can claim that Margarita and Radu are the future of the family all they want, but one cannot deny they come across as ageing, cold, distant, and plus royaliste que le Roi.

Nicholas was not raised by his aunt or uncle. The good qualities that he brought to his role were to due to the life experiences he had endured before he accepted the wish of the King to become an active member of the Royal family. Only with Nicholas (and now Alina) integrated into the Royal House does it have any semblance of survival. If Margarita and Radu care so much about their work, they would have done something to make sure that the self-inflicted wounds they have caused did not occur.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...harry-romanian

Who is Nicholas Medforth-Mills? British lovechild and pretender to the Romanian throne

British schoolboy now third in line to Romanian throne after death of king | Metro News

Meet the royal billed as Romania's answer to Prince Harry with North East roots - Chronicle Live

Your point is well taken, and the visuals here are as important as facts, at least in the eyes of the public. The image of the Royal Family, sans Nicholas and Alina, coming off the Royal Train at Curtea de Arges was uncomfortable, and I'm afraid many will have noticed his absence, or de facto exclusion from that part of the ceremonial events.
Those are the kinds of self-inflicting wounds the Princessly couple have to move past, both in terms of mending those already created, but equally important, avoiding creating new ones, like this one, so visually and practically unnecessary.

I worry that there is much fear at the top of the Royal Family and those around them, that the popularity, youth, inherent societal misogyny or a combination of more or all factors will lead to calls for Nicholas to be the pretender onwards, at the cost of Margareta. I happen to think she would make a good Queen, but she is mature by now, childless and a succession plan has to be laid for any progress to be made with regards to the monarchy as a cause, and the Royal House having a meaningful future after the Princess' time is up.

All arrows point to Nicholas in the end, and the Royal Family at large has to realize that, if anything is to come of the dynastic aspirations of the Royal Family, and the positive change that would come from a return of the monarchy in Romania.

[Gaudete]

People can claim that Margarita and Radu are the future of the family all they want, but one cannot deny they come across as ageing, cold, distant, and plus royaliste que le Roi.

I would absolute deny that generalisation. I don't see that they do come across as cold or distant at all and they can hardly help ageing. We're all ageing.

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Gaudete

I would absolute deny that generalisation. I don't see that they do come across as cold or distant at all and they can hardly help ageing. We're all ageing.

They do very much come across that way, as cold and distant, to everyone who follows them closely, but that isn't the whole picture of who they are indeed. It is however how they appear, and that is an image they must work on, sans the aging. That one is natural for us all, but the added factor that has for the Custodian and Prince Radu, is that they are ageing without heirs. That's the unsustainable situation going forward.

Nobody had any less affection for the late King Baudoin and Queen Fabiola because they were childless, frankly, the knowledge of their struggle made them much more endearing. However, it wasn't a danger for the monarchy as an institution, so long as they was a clear line of succession and nothing to worry about.

That's the future for H.M the Custodian as well, my sense is that people feel affection towards her to a larger extent today, as her public profile is on the rise in Romania, but the question at the back of everyones mind when the question of the monarchy is raised, is: If you assume the throne, ma'am, what comes thereafter?