Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

[tommy100]

I doubt he will return as part of their future, how ridiculous would it look for him to be given the title Prince and be promoted as the future then have it taken all away and be sent away in what is effectively an 'exile' only to then have him return.
Deposed Royal Families struggle for credibility at the best of times, that would destroy any credibility and future that the this RF has.

I would much prefer Nicholas to be the future of this RF but I can't see how now it would be helpful or possible.

[LadyRohan]

Unfortunately, there is presedence in the Romanian RF for titles being revoked, and restored, as in the case of Princess Sophie. Although I completely agree that this whole thing is unfortunate, there are ways to reverse this decision without being too foolish, but it would most likely involve putting the blame for the original decision on a weak and unfounded basis, or on the King himself. Neither are very desireable, but in the end, the future of the RF is what matters, and I think it needs Nicholas in a visible position.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by LadyRohan

He keeps his Facebook-page updated, in Romanian, and that is a strong signal in itself. It's clear that he has formed a bond with Romania, and whatever reasons lay behind the decision of the King last year, I am more and more sure will be worked through, so that Nicholas can return to Romania, and be part of its dynastic future.

The guy only wished everyone a happy new year and that he is thinking about Romania and everybody at home. That is all. Reading dynastic aspirations in all this...



By the way, it seems that when Nicholas was still in the royal family, his FB was updated by someone else. No idea how this is at the moment. Could very well be written by that person indeed.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by tommy100

I doubt he will return as part of their future, how ridiculous would it look for him to be given the title Prince and be promoted as the future then have it taken all away and be sent away in what is effectively an 'exile' only to then have him return.
Deposed Royal Families struggle for credibility at the best of times, that would destroy any credibility and future that the this RF has.

I would much prefer Nicholas to be the future of this RF but I can't see how now it would be helpful or possible.

I agree... Nicholas Medforth-Mills, eh... I mean Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, eh... I mean His Royal Highness Prince Nicolae of Romania, eh... I mean Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills eh... oh... is he restored?... eh... then I of course mean His Royal Highness Prince Nicolae of Romania again...

It is a circus without precedent there in Romania...

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

Mr Medforth Mills did not lose his popularity among many royalists.

I am curious to learn how you found out? Did you ask royalists? How did you find these royalists? How do you know the royalists you asked did represent "many royalists"? Mr Medforth-Mills has less than 5000 "friends" (are these the royalists you mean?) on FB, to compare it with Rihanna (86 million) or Cristiano Ronaldo (76 million)...

[melina premiere]

D and P if the queen Elizabeth of Great Britain would have a page of FB , she would get less friends than Rihanna or Cristiano Ronaldo, we are not a lot to admire the royals even Elizabeth of Britain, the people prefer to admire Brad Pitt, Rihanna or the Cristiano Ronaldo.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Of course but where are "the royalists" the previous poster wrote about? And how did he know they represent "many"? Just factual questions. Is it from the FB-page? The president of Romania has more followers. Is that enough to conclude anything?

My guess is that the average man in the street in Brasov, Timisoara or Cluj has no idea who Nicholas Medforth-Mills is...

[LadyRohan]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The guy only wished everyone a happy new year and that he is thinking about Romania and everybody at home. That is all. Reading dynastic aspirations in all this...

Some of us want a future for the monarchy in Romania. That's the basis for positive attitudes.
Well, that, and the fact that it's just less tedious to be positive than the opposite.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I am curious to learn how you found out? Did you ask royalists? How did you find these royalists? How do you know the royalists you asked did represent "many royalists"? Mr Medforth-Mills has less than 5000 "friends" (are these the royalists you mean?) on FB, to compare it with Rihanna (86 million) or Cristiano Ronaldo (76 million)...

Obviously you do not know too many Romanian royalists.

[USCtrojan]

I have been trying to keep up with this board since returning just two days ago -and unfortunately, I am not doing so great at it! Please assist my understanding as to the reasoning behind his "demotion". Has this ever been released?

[NotHRH]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

I was not talking about powers, responsibilities etc. but about protocol. I´ve learnt that Pcss Caroline only became a "Royal Highness" since she got married to Prince E A of Hanover. None of the Grimaldis is a "HRH" by birth, nor the sovereign prince a "Majesty".
And yes, an ex monarch during the napoleonic time was much more "royal" than "His Imperial Majesty Napoleon, Emperor of the French", who was an usurper and crowned himself, although Master of at least two thirds of europe at the time. The only way to be "royal" is to get married into a royal house or to be born into it!

Talking about "reigning" and "governing", Prince Albert´s duties cover those comparing a Mayor of european cities like Manchester, Naples, Hamburg or Munich (note that Monaco is about as bis as the "English Park" in Munich...).
Although he is "governing" the influence of, for instance the british Queen, head of a former world power and still head of the Commonwealth, is much bigger!

Many people seem to forget ALL royalty began with a person, like Napoléon, deciding - for wharever reason - that he wanted to be an emperor/king/tsar, and thus, he was. Nobody is more "royal" than anybody else; there isn't anybody born, nor has anybody ever been born with "royal blood," or born of the "blood royal." "Royalty," and all titles, styles, images, etc. associated with it are only concepts. Royals are living, breathing human beings, albeit extremely wealthy, and nothing more. There is no reason for me to ever curtsey to anybody, be it a king, queen, prince, etc. The only entity I would ever curtsey to is Jesus Christ himself. GOD never sanctioned anybody to be "royal"; William the Conquerer was not born with a piece of paper from the LORD above stating Wm was given a divine privilege to be the future King of England. He had the blood of a human being just as we all do. Again, royalty is a concept only - nothing more. The next time someone mentions Napoléon crowned himself and wasn't really royalty, and you believe that, then you must also believe that no one is really royalty. Just sayin'. 👑 😲😩😣😢😭

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Cory

Obviously you do not know too many Romanian royalists.

Do you?

[Cory]

Quite many indeed.

it is not very easy to know the truth but it seems Mr Medforth Mills misses Romania and maybe misses his envolvment in the activities of the Royal family too.

Which one of them?

No news of any meeting with them asfter what happened in august.

[melina premiere]

We can not judge how many persons are for a new monarchy, they are perhaps many but there must be for more a majority of people for a new monachy in the country because a king or a queen must be above the politic parties.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

I am curious to learn how you found out? Did you ask royalists? How did you find these royalists? How do you know the royalists you asked did represent "many royalists"? Mr Medforth-Mills has less than 5000 "friends" (are these the royalists you mean?) on FB

Actually, this is not quite the whole picture regarding the presence of the Romanian Royal Family on social media.

The personal Facebook account of one "Nicholas De Roumanie Medforth-Mills" has 5k friends and 5k followers.

The public Facebook page of one "Principele Nicolae al Romaniei" (which was administered by the Royal House) has 25k likes.

The public Facebook page of one "Nicolae de Roumanie Medforth-Mills" (which has been administered by Nicholas since leaving Romania) has nearly 7k likes.

Conversely...

The public Facebook page of the Royal Family of Romania ("Familia Regala a Romaniei" - administered by the Royal House) has 132k likes.

The public Facebook page of the Princess Margarita of Romania Foundation ("Fundatia Principesa Margareta a Romaniei" - administered by the Royal House) has 58k likes.

The public Facebook page of Princess Maria of Romania ("ASR Principesa Maria a Romaniei" - administered by the Royal House) has 15k likes.

Ergo, the social media presence of Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills (he was always known by this name--never just as "Nicholas Medforth-Mills") is not inconsiderable, especially considering all that has happened recently.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by USCtrojan

I have been trying to keep up with this board since returning just two days ago -and unfortunately, I am not doing so great at it! Please assist my understanding as to the reasoning behind his "demotion". Has this ever been released?

Crown Princess Margareta told Marilena Rotaru that Nicholas had been disinherited because of ties to the former President Basescu. Rotaru is a leading royalist and was until her recent resignation the co-president of the monarchist association ANRM.

However, it has emerged that Nicholas conceived a child with Romanian Nicoleta Cirjan, a conception that was discovered in July, whereupon Prince Nicholas informed his aunt and uncle of the development. When the Crown Princess and her husband found out about the pregnancy, they were not well-pleased, and thus unfolded the events of August. The infant is due in early 2016.

Nicolás de Rumanía, sin trono por dejar embarazada a una joven

Royal Musings: is a baby the reason Nicholas Medforth-Mills lost his succession rights and title.

Genealogist Marlene Koenig, who has known the Romanian Royal Family for many decades, has stated that the Royal House was already aware of this "news" when it became public in November.

It would appear that the occupants of Elisabeta Palace may have deliberately spread disinformation in order to damage the reputation of Prince Nicholas. Given the history of the Royal Family, one imagines Romanians would have been quick to forgive Nicholas this act of indiscretion. Yet, if Prince Nicholas had become unpopular with certain occupants of Elisabeta Palace, this pregnancy might have been all that was needed to eject him from his role.

[LadyFinn]

Originally Posted by Cory

it is not very easy to know the truth but it seems Mr Medforth Mills misses Romania and maybe misses his envolvment in the activities of the Royal family too.

I think so too. He had got well into his life in Romania, found a good role as a member of the royal family and was able to have a job which interested him and in which he was good at, especially working with children and young people.

It will be interesting to see what happens after king Michael and queen Anne have passed away. It is clear that Nicholas loves and still respects them and doesn't want to cause them any harm. But the things can be different, when his grandparents aren't there anymore.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by LadyFinn

I think so too. He had got well into his life in Romania, found a good role as a member of the royal family and was able to have a job which interested him and in which he was good at, especially working with children and young people.

It will be interesting to see what happens after king Michael and queen Anne have passed away. It is clear that Nicholas loves and still respects them and doesn't want to cause them any harm. But the things can be different, when his grandparents aren't there anymore.

Is not known if he still has any dialogue with his aunts in Bucharest.

[Duc_et_Pair]

And both his own mother Princess Elena as well his own sister Karina (no Princess) remain stoney silent. No word about it, no public appearance with him, nothing...

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Crown Princess Margareta told Marilena Rotaru that Nicholas had been disinherited because of ties to the former President Basescu. Rotaru is a leading royalist and was until her recent resignation the co-president of the monarchist association ANRM.

However, it has emerged that Nicholas conceived a child with Romanian Nicoleta Cirjan, a conception that was discovered in July, whereupon Prince Nicholas informed his aunt and uncle of the development. When the Crown Princess and her husband found out about the pregnancy, they were not well-pleased, and thus unfolded the events of August. The infant is due in early 2016.

Nicolás de Rumanía, sin trono por dejar embarazada a una joven

Royal Musings: is a baby the reason Nicholas Medforth-Mills lost his succession rights and title.

Genealogist Marlene Koenig, who has known the Romanian Royal Family for many decades, has stated that the Royal House was already aware of this "news" when it became public in November.

It would appear that the occupants of Elisabeta Palace may have deliberately spread disinformation in order to damage the reputation of Prince Nicholas. Given the history of the Royal Family, one imagines Romanians would have been quick to forgive Nicholas this act of indiscretion. Yet, if Prince Nicholas had become unpopular with certain occupants of Elisabeta Palace, this pregnancy might have been all that was needed to eject him from his role.

I was nothing waiting for this news. Nicholas will have a child?

Who can take the place of Nicholas? is the royal family to address this issue?