Titled Danish Gentry and Nobles

sgl · #1 06-10-2009, 10:32 PM

I couldn't find a thread that really covered this, so I thought that I would create this thread to discuss this article in the Copenhagen Post:

Titled gentry increasing plenty

It says that the numbers of barons, counts, and nobles are increasing in Denmark. There are now 7500. They have the privilege of carrying a title, but that is the extent of it. Interestingly, the authors used Facebook to track down some of these nobles.

alex001 · #2 06-13-2009, 08:23 AM

I didn't realise there were so many! I wonder how that compares to other countries, it could just be that it sounds a lot but isn't really...

sgl · #3 06-13-2009, 10:55 AM

I thought the same thing! I didn't realize that there were so many. I would imagine that the number of Danish nobles is comparable to or greater than that of their neighbors. Belgium seems to have a lot, and so does Germany. I think that Denmark has more nobles than the Netherlands.

alex001 · #4 06-13-2009, 01:24 PM

Oh, I didn't know Belgium had a lot - although, then again, I don't have a clue how many there are even in my own country

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maria-olivia · #5 06-13-2009, 01:42 PM

Which noble danish family gave their farm/castle to Prince Joachim ?

alex001 · #6 06-13-2009, 02:31 PM

It's actually changed hands several times; it originally belonged to the Bishops of Ribe, when it was known as Møgeltønderhus and was then given to the King after the Reformation. After that, in 1661, the castle was transferred to General Hans Schack as a thanks for his service in the war against the Swedish. It came back into royal hands in 1978 and was given to Prince Joachim in 1993.

marmi · #7 06-13-2009, 04:35 PM

I find it interesting that they used facebook as tool in their research.

ashelen · #8 06-13-2009, 06:18 PM

yes how do you do th reserchin facebook, i wonder?

sgl · #9 06-13-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by marmi

I find it interesting that they used facebook as tool in their research.

I know. In my opinion, it kind of sounds questionable. I could state that I'm a noble on my Facebook page, and there really wouldn't be a way to verify that 1. I was truly a noble, and 2. that I was the person I was claiming to be. For example, if I wanted to, I could set up a Facebook page as Crown Princess Mary, and it wouldn't be an issue unless the Danish government demanded that I remove the page. I could also make claims of being a descendant of Noble XYZ, and unless one really dug deep into Noble XYZ's family tree, I could get away with it (on the internet, at least).

marmi · #10 06-13-2009, 08:34 PM

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Do you think they maybe used Facebook to make contact then did some more heavy duty research?

sgl · #11 06-13-2009, 09:27 PM

That would have been the ethical thing to do, but I would be surprised if they did that for all of the people that they located on Facebook. That sounds cynical, but I would have thought that if they did do painstaking research, they would have stated that in their article to try to firm up their credibility.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt, though.

marmi · #12 06-13-2009, 09:41 PM

I thinki we can safely say it would have taken a very long time. Do you know if the researchers published an academic article using the research? You're right they'd have been likely to have explaimed in the research methods

sgl · #13 06-13-2009, 10:07 PM

It does sound like they published an academic article. It was collected by something called the "Institute of History and Civlisation", which sounds official, but a representative of this institute said directly in the article that they used Facebook for their research. Very strange, IMO.

Lilla · #14 06-14-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sgl

It does sound like they published an academic article. It was collected by something called the "Institute of History and Civlisation", which sounds official.

It is. According to the article it is a research made by the University of Southern Denmark which is a very acknowledged University.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgl

but a representative of this institute said directly in the article that they used Facebook for their research. Very strange, IMO.

I don't think so as Facebook was used to get into contact with the nobles not only living in Denmark.

In the article it is written, that many of the ‘newly accounted’ nobles (about 2000) were descendants of Danes who emigrated from Denmark to the US, Canada and Argentina in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and that they, although retaining rights to their titles - according to the 1849 constitution - don't have any special rights and social privileges associated with the titles.

BryanCornett · #15 06-15-2009, 02:59 PM

My family was a former royal family of Denmark too. The Canute family came to America in 1727 and later changed their name to Cornett. The Cornett Family of America Is a descendent of King Canute the Great.

sgl · #16 08-04-2009, 11:34 AM

Countess Marina of Rosenborg has a new boyfriend:
http://www.billedbladet.dk/Kongelige...en%20frem.aspx

His name is Christian Mellentin, and they made their first public appearance as a couple at the christening of Prince Henrik. Marina's mother was Princess Benedikte's LIW.

sgl · #17 08-14-2009, 09:53 AM

Baroness Helle Reedz-Thott, a stylish Baroness:
Billed-Bladet - Helle Reedtz-Thott - en stilfuld baronesse

Keystone · #18 11-07-2010, 12:11 PM

Hello Denmark!

Can anyone point the way to an index of Danish nobility? I'm curious as to the divisions of Danish nobility and whether or not it too follows absolute cognatic primogeniture for succession to their titles.

Thank you!

PS. The Danish royal family is one of my "favorites" :)

Benedikte · #19 01-18-2011, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgl

Countess Marina of Rosenborg has a new boyfriend:
Billed-Bladet - Komtesse Marina viste kæresten frem

His name is Christian Mellentin, and they made their first public appearance as a couple at the christening of Prince Henrik. Marina's mother was Princess Benedikte's LIW.

The article states that they are both scientist. The field they are studying and researching is unfortunately not mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgl

Baroness Helle Reedz-Thott, a stylish Baroness:
Billed-Bladet - Helle Reedtz-Thott - en stilfuld baronesse

Helle is a commoner married to Baron Otto Reedtz-Thott.

He is twize her senior.

She has studied law and eventually worked as a lawyer.

She is now working with the estate brewing beer etc.

Otto has been a playboy but also very into tv.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keystone

Hello Denmark!

Can anyone point the way to an index of Danish nobility? I'm curious as to the divisions of Danish nobility and whether or not it too follows absolute cognatic primogeniture for succession to their titles.

Thank you!

PS. The Danish royal family is one of my "favorites" :)

Danske adelsslægter - Wikipedia, den frie encyklopædi

There are two main lists of Danish nobility:

Denmark Adel Yearbook
Adel Danish Yearbook (DAA) have been published since 1884 and published by the Danish nobility Association. It contains comprehensive overviews of all the family around. 725 Danish nobility. Each volume contains pedigree charts and summaries of contemporary members of approx. 200 noble families.

Danish nobility Calendar
Ferdinand von Krogh, Danish nobility Calendar, Copenhagen 1878, is a second major survey, which lists only those at that time flourishing nobility.

Lord Sosnowitz · #20 11-24-2011, 05:35 AM

Hello,

The Danish monarch can confer any title to non-member of the Royal Family?

KR,

LS