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Old 02-04-2020, 07:37 PM
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The fact is calling Harry as Harry Mountbatten-Windsor is incorrect. Yes it has been used in legal documents when a surname was needed, but that name was never meant to be used by HRH. It was announced that male line members of the family who didn’t hold a title, would use it as a surname. So basically Louise at this moment as her brother is Viscount Severn. And Archie as he doesn’t use his dads title as a courtesy.

Harry and Meghan Sussex fits more with protocol. Like when Harry was Harry Wales in school and army. Not just royals but as pointed out, customary among working peers as well. I believe the duchess of Kent teaches as Katherine Kent. It also has a better ring for business.
James only uses "Viscount Severn" as a courtesy title and he will remain a commoner until he succeeds to his father's substantive title/s. As I understand it, he is therefore in the same boat as Louise and is a Mountbatten-Windsor.
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James only uses "Viscount Severn" as a courtesy title and he will remain a commoner until he succeeds to his father's substantive title/s. As I understand it, he is therefore in the same boat as Louise and is a Mountbatten-Windsor.
Per the interpretation taken up by the Royal Family, all descendants in male line (married women excepted) of Elizabeth and Philip are Mountbatten-Windsor, irrespective of their titles; however, the usage of the name is limited to occasions when no royal or peerage title is used (whether because the descendant does not hold such a title or because the title they hold is not used for that occasion).

Thus, the name Mountbatten-Windsor was entered on the marriage certificates of Queen Elizabeth's younger children, since their titles were not used in their marriage certificates.

But Countessmeout is right that apart from legal documents, James will never be required to use Mountbatten-Windsor if he conforms to customary protocol and uses "James Severn" for his private endeavors.
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Old 02-04-2020, 08:34 PM
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He might be 'earl of Wessex' by the time he is looking for a 'professional name' - although I am still not sure how that will work out; as the duke of Edinburgh title has not been awarded at the same time as the earl of Wessex and viscount Severn titles, so not sure whether they can become subsidiary titles to the duke of Edinburgh title when it is awarded to Edward. Or that the ducal title won't have subsidiary titles, so Edward will simultaneously hold the ducal and earl titles; while the heir of these titles (or more specifically: of the Earl of Wessex title) will always be known as Viscount Severn.
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He might be 'earl of Wessex' by the time he is looking for a 'professional name' - although I am still not sure how that will work out; as the duke of Edinburgh title has not been awarded at the same time as the earl of Wessex and viscount Severn titles, so not sure whether they can become subsidiary titles to the duke of Edinburgh title when it is awarded to Edward. Or that the ducal title won't have subsidiary titles, so Edward will simultaneously hold the ducal and earl titles; while the heir of these titles (or more specifically: of the Earl of Wessex title) will always be known as Viscount Severn.
Yes, they can be used as subsidiary titles without being awarded at the same time. It is quite ordinary for British peers to hold titles awarded at different times as their families were elevated through the ranks (for instance, a commoner being ennobled as a baron, and his great-grandson succeeding as the fourth baron before being elevated to a viscount). The situation may also arise when a special remainder exists and different titles are inherited through the maternal and paternal lines. One example is the Earl Mountbatten, whose much older title Lord Brabourne is used by the heir to the earldom.

James would be expected to be known as Earl of Wessex as a courtesy title when his father becomes Duke of Edinburgh, but he could choose something else if he wishes.
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He might be 'earl of Wessex' by the time he is looking for a 'professional name' - although I am still not sure how that will work out; as the duke of Edinburgh title has not been awarded at the same time as the earl of Wessex and viscount Severn titles, so not sure whether they can become subsidiary titles to the duke of Edinburgh title when it is awarded to Edward. Or that the ducal title won't have subsidiary titles, so Edward will simultaneously hold the ducal and earl titles; while the heir of these titles (or more specifically: of the Earl of Wessex title) will always be known as Viscount Severn.
Once Edward becomes The Duke of edinburgh, the Earl of Wessex title will be a lower rank, so why couldn’t James use it as a courtesy title?
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:30 AM
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Once Edward becomes The Duke of edinburgh, the Earl of Wessex title will be a lower rank, so why couldn’t James use it as a courtesy title?
That would be the normal progression: the heir "borrows" his parent's next highest title by courtesy. James could use both Earl of Wessex and Earl of Forfar (but not "The Earl of Wessex" as that would still be Edward), and HIS son, if he has one, would be Viscount Severn, again, without the "the."


You can see this in action in the junior branches of the royal family. The Duke of Gloucester's heir is known as Earl of Ulster and his son Baron Culloden and The Duke of Kent's heir is Earl of St. Andrews and his son is Baron Downpatrick.
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