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Old 12-25-2012, 05:27 PM
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I don't see what the problem is. I bet most of the public will look at the situation and say William and Catherine are handling Christmas much the same as they do, 1 year with his family and the next year with her family. Traditions change and new traditions are established and life moves on. Even the monarchy cannot remain stuck in the past, it adapts and changes and moves forward.
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:27 PM
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William and Kate are doomed to spend the rest of their lives serving the people and for some time yet will probably spend Christmases with the extended Royal Family, because once the child is born it will be Royal and a future monarch will have to take its place within the fold. When Charles becomes king, things might change a little with only his children and their spouses and children required to attend and his siblings and their families might be released from the obligation.

Kate is not well, as a direct result of performing what is her most important duty as William's wife, and that is producing the future monarch. I think it's wonderful that she is spending this Christmas with her own family, where she can relax and enjoy the time without worrying about having to put up with hoards of strangers around her and the formality of Christmas at Sandringham. And her Royal in-laws are strangers to her, and when you're sick you want to be with people you are comfortable with.

I also think it's not a bad thing that William has broken with tradition this way. IMO not all traditions are good ones, and I think that insisting that all members of the Royal Family spend every Christmas day with the Monarch is rather selfish. Times change and as the children grow and marry they acquire an extended family, but Royal tradition has been to require the incomer to always give priority to the Royal Family, not their own. But each person who marries in has a family of their own, and after marriage that family is part of the family of the Royal spouse. The Middletons are part of William's family now and he seems to recognise this and I applaud him for it.
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Old 12-25-2012, 05:47 PM
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As royal "watchers", we need to consider whether it is our needs or those of individual members of the BRF that we are prioritising.

I love to see the whole family together, mainly because it is so difficult to achieve this. and it would have great to see William and Catherine at Sandringham.

But that's what I and others on this forum wanted. But this year it was not practical. Just one look at Catherine highlighted that she is not her usual self. I'd rather she was relaxed and at ease with her feet up and starts to feel better.

Slight sideways shift - I wonder if the same debate is going on in the Netherlands as W-A, Macima and the girls all headed off to Argentina for Christmas. Just off to that thread to check it out.

I know it's late but Happy Christmas everyone
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:14 PM
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Think everyone knows by now that The Queen and royal family are more kind to the in-laws than they were in the past. Sophie's father is included in just about everything. He rides in the carriages during Royal Ascot, he attends the Royal Jorse Show and everything.

William & Catherine made it pretty clear in their engagement interview that family is very important to them and William won't allow the Middletons be shut out of Catherine's life just because she's a senior royal and now dedicated to the "Firm." Now we see the Middletons at Royal Ascot, they have attended the Trooping of the Colour and they attended the Diamond Jubliee Pagaent. The Middleton family is very dear to William & Catherine and there was nothing wrong with them spending part of their Christmas with them.

Now they will go on to Sandringham and spend time with the royal family. They just killed two birds with one stone. That's pretty much all they did, the didn't break any royal traditions.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:14 PM
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I'm going to remember some of the comments on here the next time there is a discussion about the Windsors or the BRF being out of touch.

It amazes me that Christmas at Sandringham is the line in the sand for some people. Miss this and the entire institution is on the way out

Change the 300 year old Act of Settlement to make it more politically correct, by all means no problem but William for the love of God, whatever you do, don't you dare spend a single married Christmas with Catherine and her family because royal 'tradition' demands your presence in Norfolk

Christmas at Sandringham is a private family celebration, not an ancient constitutional requirement, and just like all private family celebrations, plans can change.

I hope William and Catherine and Harry never go to Sandringham again just so I can read the funny comments.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:18 PM
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The main royal tradition I have seen William & Harry and Charles & Camilla drop is attending Easter at Windsor with the royal family. They haven't gone in years. I was hoping they would start attending again. It would be nice to see the Cambridges and the baby attend Easter Service at Windsor.

Then again, I guess William & Catherine, Harry and Charles & Camilla just do their own thing for Easter.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:27 PM
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Well, that's another Christmas over with! I did miss seeing William and Catherine at the church service at Sandringham but there is always next year! I hope all the royals at home and abroad and everyone here on TRF had a great day!
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:36 PM
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I think one point that has been missed in this story of William being away from Sandringham this Christmas is that it meant that his father, Charles, had Christmas Day without either of his children - that is something that in my family, or my in-laws, would never have been allowed to happen - that at least one child was always spending Christmas with our parents.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:46 PM
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Slight sideways shift - I wonder if the same debate is going on in the Netherlands as W-A, Macima and the girls all headed off to Argentina for Christmas. Just off to that thread to check it out.

I know it's late but Happy Christmas everyone
Mary and Frederik also spent Christmas away from the rest of the DRF. So it seems traditions are definitely changing with the royals.

I don't have a problem with Kate and William spending Christmas with her family. Especially since she's sick right now.

William and Kate are supposed to head out to Sandringham at some point during the holiday, so it's not like they will be completely absent from the royal family festivities.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:15 PM
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Gad Zooks, Catherine looks ill in the pictures of her church visit with the Middletons.
That was probably as much as she could tolerate for one day, as she must still have her illness. If this Sandringham tradition occurred a month or two later, it could have been different. Do you realize that when a person has hyperemissus gravidus, she can unexpectedly throw up at any time, even after an hour or two being OK? It would have been easier to have quick access to the "bathroom" or "loo" at the church of the Middletons. Probably all set up in advance by her aides, with a security man next to the bathroom just in case she had to use it suddenly. When she really begins to recover, it would not be such a potential very bad photo opportunity for her to walk or ride to the church in Sandringham.

What I'm wondering now is, what if Kate has another baby; will she have to time it so she won't possibly be sick at Christmas?
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:21 PM
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It would be nice if she had twins, then she wouldn"t have to do it again.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:23 PM
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She doesn't have to do anything. The Line of the Succession to the British Throne is long enough not to worry about heirs.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:30 PM
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Gad Zooks, Catherine looks ill in the pictures of her church visit with the Middletons.
That was probably as much as she could tolerate for one day, as she must still have her illness. If this Sandringham tradition occurred a month or two later, it could have been different. Do you realize that when a person has hyperemissus gravidus, she can unexpectedly throw up at any time, even after an hour or two being OK? It would have been easier to have quick access to the "bathroom" or "loo" at the church of the Middletons. Probably all set up in advance by her aides, with a security man next to the bathroom just in case she had to use it suddenly. When she really begins to recover, it would not be such a potential very bad photo opportunity for her to walk or ride to the church in Sandringham.

What I'm wondering now is, what if Kate has another baby; will she have to time it so she won't possibly be sick at Christmas?
I think people just see what they want to see; Catherine was well enough to attend a Christmas service with her family, so obviously she could have done the exact same thing at Sandringham. I happen to agree with you; poor soul looked like death warmed over, ready to keel at any moment, so she may have been well at the time of leaving for church, but gotten progressively worse as the service went on. If she were at Sandringham, she would have to do a walk-about, and greet people. I can't imagine that she would be well enough to carry on a polite conversation, and be all pleasant, when her body won't give her a break. The couple made the right choice by going to a Christmas celebration that requires a little less from Catherine, and allows her to just relax on the sofa in her PJs if she so desires. There's no way she would be able to do such with her in-laws, because as it has been pointed out, there's a timetable and a dress code, which I'm sure doesn't include lounging in one's PJs on a drawing room sofa.
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:11 PM
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Actually the access to a 'loo' argument would have been easier at Sandringham where a portaloo with access to only the RF was allowed would have been easier that to deny access to the loo to other parishioners - which would probably have had to be the case at Bucklebury (most churches I know have only one loo, or one block, which would have to have been blocked off for her).
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:46 PM
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Yeah, but if she was at Sandringham and had to leave the service due to her nausea, she'd have to face the fact that the entire royal family were watching her head off to barf. That would be pretty bloody embarrassing. Having to do so in front of a bunch of strangers in Berkshire would've been less mortifying.

The Queen herself has said that the RF maintain only those traditions that it makes sense to keep. Having a tradition whereby those who marry into the RF never spend Christmas with their own family is just silly. The Middletons are just as much William and Kate's family as the Windsors are.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:19 AM
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Surely having to leave in front of her family - who would have kept that quiet as they are the only people there would have been preferable to doing so in front of the general public who could sell the gory details to the press along with the idea of denying those same members of the public access to the facilities at the local church.

As there are no such reports presumably she didn't need to leave for any reason and she has been well enough to attend an awards function and two well-publicsed meals without any dramas.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:43 AM
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I just feel like, if I were Kate, I wouldn't be able to relax among the RF if there was a constant risk of vomiting all the time. Kate's known most of them for a long time, but she's really only getting to know the Queen. It wouldn't be unreasonable for her to feel uncomfortable in that situation.

We don't know if she's attended the SPOTY awards and the lunch at BP without any 'dramas'. We don't know the extent of her HG at this point.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:01 AM
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^Yep. Comfort is important for her right now. So I can't blame her for choosing to stay with her family instead of going to Sandringham. Two church services + pre-Christmas/Christmas activities and multiple outfit changes (for meals) sounds exhausting compared to one church service and a quiet day at home with a few family members. When you're not feeling well, the last thing you want is to be moving around all day.

Since the two lunches were relatively private, it's hard to know if they were drama free. But she could only attend the SPOTY awards for 45 minutes, so she's obviously still not feeling well.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:32 AM
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I personally feel sorry for Tim Laurence. It looks like Anne can never be bothered to walk next to him. I have a feeling he really regrets marrying her but is an honorable man and has remained with her for nearly 20 years now.

I thought Zara looked really good but my gosh, can't she get a dental bridge for her missing teeth? I never noticed how unbecoming it was until the 2012 Christmas photos appeared.

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You'd swear by spending Christmas with Catherine's family William is neglecting a constitutional duty.
Great comment. After all, William is 2nd in line to the throne, not the heir apparent. He's missed Sandringham in the past due to military duty, as has Harry. The monarchy will not end because he and Kate aren't there to change clothes 5 times and parade in front of the cameras like zoo animals. I think it's great that the Middleton family hasn't been tossed aside simply because their daughter married into the RF. I bet Diana would have liked to spend time with her family at Christmas. I'm proud that William is putting his wife first at this point in time. There will be many years in the future that their wishes get overruled by duty. Now should not be that time.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:27 AM
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Newspix International has some lovely images, particularly one of Lady Louise accepting presents!

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I personally feel sorry for Tim Laurence. It looks like Anne can never be bothered to walk next to him. I have a feeling he really regrets marrying her but is an honorable man and has remained with her for nearly 20 years now.
I think the opposite; there are many times that you see Anne and Tim sharing a little secret smile. Tim is almost always with Anne, supporting her unnoticed in the background without any praise. He is one of my favourite family members, he appears to be lovely.
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