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07-17-2009, 06:14 PM
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The Dukes of Lorraine
Sorry I dont know if there already have been made a thread about those, but can anyone tell me if they know about existing paintings and where they are buried.
I am most interested in Franciois 1 of Lorraine and his decendants with Christine of Denmark.
Can anyone help?
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08-13-2009, 08:26 AM
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Charles III, duke of Lorraine didn't marry Claude of Valois. He married Claude of France.
She was the daughter of Henri II. Children of the sovereign always were named "de France". It is a contemporary misconception (a widely used one) that the children of the king of France would carry any other name than "de France" (with the exception of Louis-Philippe, of course).
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08-13-2009, 09:45 AM
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The only Claude de France is Henri II mother.
Henri II was part of the house of Valois, that is possible why she is Claude de Valois.
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08-16-2009, 06:38 AM
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You're wrong.
Claude de France, Henri II's mother, was also a member of the Valois branch. As I explained in the above post, historically, children of the king were always called "de France" and it 's only a contemporary misconception to give them the name of the branch they came from. No matter how often you've read "Claude de Valois" on the Internet and in modern books, her name was Claude de France, like her grandmother.
You may want to check Patrick Van Kerrebrouck volumes of the "Nouvelle Histoire de l'Auguste Maison de France" to find proof of this.
Or you may just want to read this message carefully, so as not to contradict it with the very arguments it disproves.
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08-16-2009, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by betina
Sorry I dont know if there already have been made a thread about those, but can anyone tell me if they know about existing paintings and where they are buried.
I am most interested in Franciois 1 of Lorraine and his decendants with Christine of Denmark.
Can anyone help?
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I became interested in this family as a teenager when I read the historical novelist Jean Plaidy's series about Catherine de Medici & Henry IV. The figures of the Cardinal of Lorraine & the Duke de Guise seemed incredibly glamorous at the time though in truth they were both pretty ruthless but clever politicians/strategists.
Below I have posted a couple of links to paintings of Francois
Francois (1)
Francois (2)
The following article is also quite helpful although it doesn't tell you about the burial place.
Francois
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09-29-2014, 05:18 PM
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Charles III, Duke of Lorraine,Duke of Lorraine and Bar , Marquis of Pont-à-Mousson :1545-1608
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09-06-2022, 05:07 AM
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Duke Theodoric II of Lorraine (1055-1115) in 1095 planned to take up the Cross (go on Crusade). However, because of ill health, he did not.
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09-06-2022, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla
Duke Theodoric II of Lorraine (1055-1115) in 1095 planned to take up the Cross (go on Crusade). However, because of ill health, he did not.
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He reigned as duke of upper Lorraine for almost 45 years almost so his health improved after the First Crusade had departed
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09-06-2022, 05:40 AM
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The Duchy of Lorraine, originally Upper Lorraine, was a duchy now included in the larger present-day region of Lorraine in northeastern France. Its capital was Nancy.
It was founded in 959 following the division of Lotharingia into two separate duchies: Upper and Lower Lorraine, the westernmost parts of the Holy Roman Empire. The Lower duchy was quickly dismantled, while Upper Lorraine came to be known as simply the Duchy of Lorraine. The Duchy of Lorraine was coveted and briefly occupied by the dukes of Burgundy and the kings of France.
In 1737, the duchy was given to Stanisław Leszczyński, the former king of Poland, who had lost his throne as a result of the War of the Polish Succession, with the understanding that it would fall to the French crown on his death. When Stanisław died on 23 February 1766, Lorraine was annexed by France and reorganized as a province
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Lorraine
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09-18-2022, 08:12 AM
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I can trace to Lorraine through my paternal ancestor King Chlotaire and Queen Menia from both my parents. My father paternally and mother from the ducal line of Chlotaire that became Counts under Charles The Bold. My later ancestor Nevenoe Tad Ar Vro beat Emperor Charles after being taunted time and time again by the brigante and my mother's side of the family.
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01-27-2023, 09:56 AM
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The Independent duchy of Lorraine lasted until 1766 after this it was incorporated into the Kingdom of France and later dissolved in 1790 with all of the old Provinces of France.
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